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golfing eagles 09-01-2021 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter (Post 1997841)
More than a dozen portable morgues coming to Central Florida after hospital units reach capacity – WFTV

14 Portable Morgues that hold 12 bodies each.
If this fixes the problem then it’s not a huge problem.

The other half of the problem is that funeral homes are backed up, so the hospitals can't get them out of their morgues.

elevatorman 09-01-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by golden (Post 1997260)
Carnegie-Mellon U in Pittsburgh recently completed a 5 MILLION person survey in which they were trying to determine who were resistant to the Covid vaccines. Unlike the false narrative spread by the main stream media, the survey concluded that the most resistant group to the vaccines were not blacks, Latinos, Trump conservatives, hut the highly educated.

Kinda explains some of the comments on this site by the vaxxers.

Study done on facebook Read this Fact check: Setting the record straight on claims about vaccine hesitancy among Ph.D.s | WNCT

John41 09-01-2021 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by golden (Post 1997267)
Fauci is a "national treasurer" all right. When Covid hit, a few drug companies were commissioned to quickly come up with a vaccine. You may have heard of companies named Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer. Moderna was a no-nothing drug company who had never developed a vaccine. It's stock was $3 and is now about $320, and countries are tossing its vaccine because it contains graphene oxide or metal, or both. Go see if you can find any financial connection between Fauci and Moderna--you won't have to look hard.

If you want a Conservative’s opinion on the Covid vaccines I suggest you watch Ben Shapiro’s YouTube channel. He and his wife, a physician, are both vaccinated and urge everyone eligible to get vaccinated. The Moderna vaccine was developed under Operation Warp Speed which was a Trump program. I understand your frustration though with the bumbling, lying current leadership which has divided the nation instead of uniting it. If you want to show your displeasure do it next year at the polls.

Koapaka 09-02-2021 07:07 PM

Some interesting takes on the current situation....take from it what you will.

What the Church Needs to Know about Covid-19 - by Jeff Childers - ☕️ Coffee & Covid 2021

Lottoguy 09-03-2021 09:55 AM

I'll bet you that 10% they say that are in the hospital that are vaccinated are people who told them they got the shot. Their too embarrassed to be there now. It's probably in the 3% range.

jimjamuser 09-03-2021 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1998614)
I'll bet you that 10% they say that are in the hospital that are vaccinated are people who told them they got the shot. Their too embarrassed to be there now. It's probably in the 3% range.

I was thinking the same thing.

jimjamuser 09-04-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1998614)
I'll bet you that 10% they say that are in the hospital that are vaccinated are people who told them they got the shot. Their too embarrassed to be there now. It's probably in the 3% range.

It seems like when UNvaccinated people are NOT in the hospital they BRAG about being UNvaccinated. But strangely, when they are ACTUALLY in the hospital their whole philosophy suddenly changes toward vaccination. I guess it is like there are NO atheists in the foxhole.

MDLNB 09-04-2021 10:02 PM

Approx. 206 million citizens have been vaccinated in the U.S.
Approx. 40 million have been infected and may have anti-bodies so do not need to be vaxxed yet.
There are approx. 50 million children under 12 yo that cannot be vaccinated yet.
There are approx. 330 million citizens in the U.S.
That leaves about 34 million that possibly could have but have not yet been vaccinated for one reason or another.
According to the CDC approx. 75% of the U.S. has been vaccinated with at least one shot.

There will always be a few hold outs when it comes to vaccinations. There always has been in the past. Some have been advised by doctors NOT to get vaccinated, even though that number is probably very low. Name calling is not going to convince anyone.

Portable morgues being sent to central Florida is no reason to panic. When this started they set up portable hospitals all over and didn't even use them. Better to be prepared and not need it than to not be prepared and need it.

blueash 09-05-2021 12:24 PM

per MDLNB;Approx. 206 million citizens have been vaccinated in the U.S.

As of Sep 3 NYT tracker, 175.5 are fully vaccinated and 30 million have had one of the two shots needed if they got Pfizer or Moderna.
Approx. 40 million have been infected and may have anti-bodies so do not need to be vaxxed yet.

As of Sep 3 NYT tracker, about 40 million cases in the US. They do NOT separate out how many of these are immunized vs not immunized so your use of that number to subtract from the number of US citizens is bogus.

Additionally your tossed out statement that they do not need to be immunized is contrary to the recommendation of every agency. The CDC writes "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 "


There are approx. 50 million children under 12 yo that cannot be vaccinated yet.

Close enough, actual estimate I found is 48 million as of 2019

There are approx. 330 million citizens in the U.S.
Again close enough, I found 333 million
That leaves about 34 million that possibly could have but have not yet been vaccinated for one reason or another.
According to the CDC approx. 75% of the U.S. has been vaccinated with at least one shot.

And the CDC's data report that of those 12 or older, only 62% are fully vaccinated, thus 38% of Americans older than 11 are NOT fully vaccinated. 36% of those 18 and above who have been eligible to be vaccinated since January are NOT fully vaccinated. That is not a few holdouts

There will always be a few hold outs when it comes to vaccinations. There always has been in the past. Some have been advised by doctors NOT to get vaccinated, even though that number is probably very low. Name calling is not going to convince anyone.

Portable morgues being sent to central Florida is no reason to panic. When this started they set up portable hospitals all over and didn't even use them. Better to be prepared and not need it than to not be prepared and need it.

I fully agree with the last sentence. As you seem to like numbers let's correct yours. With a population of 330 million minus 50 million children we have 280 million eligible to be vaccinated. 38% are not full vaccinated, or 106 million people, not 34 million. With 40 million cases in the US and a population of 330 million, the attack rate is about 10% [actually higher] And of those who get Covid the death rate is about 1 in 1000, again actually higher 46,000 / 40 million. So still having 36% of adults [about 100 million people] not protected we can predict an additional 100,000 deaths from vaccine refusals. That will fill a few extra morgues, needlessly

asianthree 09-05-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1999035)
It seems like when UNvaccinated people are NOT in the hospital they BRAG about being UNvaccinated. But strangely, when they are ACTUALLY in the hospital their whole philosophy suddenly changes toward vaccination. I guess it is like there are NO atheists in the foxhole.

Not as much as you think. Most are residing in a Covid unit, conversation is few and far between. Many that were opposed, that recovers seem to have the same philosophy.

Same as many of hospital staff, they worked this entire time, no PPE, or using the same for weeks at a time. They survived, worked sometimes while testing positive, because of lack of staff. Most were never tested.

Maybe in the hospital that you are actuality working this week, patients have changed their choices. But they also must wait before getting vaccinated after Covid, so maybe they told you they would get vaccinated, and maybe they didn’t

Either way, It’s not my job to try to tell someone how to live their life, or think My views are right, and they are wrong. No matter the outcome.

SkBlogW 09-05-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1999359)

I fully agree with the last sentence. As you seem to like numbers let's correct yours. With a population of 330 million minus 50 million children we have 280 million eligible to be vaccinated. 38% are not full vaccinated, or 106 million people, not 34 million. With 40 million cases in the US and a population of 330 million, the attack rate is about 10% [actually higher] And of those who get Covid the death rate is about 1 in 1000, again actually higher 46,000 / 40 million. So still having 36% of adults [about 100 million people] not protected we can predict an additional 100,000 deaths from vaccine refusals. That will fill a few extra morgues, needlessly

You might want to consult the CDC before throwing inacurate numbers around.

1 in 4.2 (95% UI* 3.6 – 4.9) COVID–19 infections were reported.

120.2 Million Estimated Total Infections

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

Additionally your tossed out statement that they do not need to be immunized is contrary to the recommendation of every agency. The CDC writes "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 "

And yet

NIH RESEARCH MATTERS

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

The study findings reveal that individuals with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection do not get additional benefits from vaccination, indicating that COVID-19 vaccines should be prioritized to individuals without prior infection.

Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals | medRxiv

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ronsroni 09-05-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1996791)
Morgues are good. They should set up more incinerators too.

??? Incinerators?
Will people arrive in trains?
Will an orchestra be playing?
What a picture you paint.
Brownshirt’s?

coffeebean 09-06-2021 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1999398)
Not as much as you think. Most are residing in a Covid unit, conversation is few and far between. Many that were opposed, that recovers seem to have the same philosophy.

Same as many of hospital staff, they worked this entire time, no PPE, or using the same for weeks at a time. They survived, worked sometimes while testing positive, because of lack of staff. Most were never tested.

Maybe in the hospital that you are actuality working this week, patients have changed their choices. But they also must wait before getting vaccinated after Covid, so maybe they told you they would get vaccinated, and maybe they didn’t

Either way, It’s not my job to try to tell someone how to live their life, or think My views are right, and they are wrong. No matter the outcome.

I must be naive to think than anyone who tests positive will quarantine, NOT work in a hospital. Yikes! The hospital actually allowed them to work after testing positive? Where is the rationale in that? I assume those Covid positive hospital staff worked with only Covid positive patients but still, that just seems all very wrong. Then again, you know what "they" say about assuming.

MDLNB 09-06-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ronsroni (Post 1999470)
??? Incinerators?
Will people arrive in trains?
Will an orchestra be playing?
What a picture you paint.
Brownshirt’s?


Uh, ever heard of tongue in cheek or sarcasm? :MOJE_whot:

MDLNB 09-06-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1999359)
per MDLNB;Approx. 206 million citizens have been vaccinated in the U.S.

As of Sep 3 NYT tracker, 175.5 are fully vaccinated and 30 million have had one of the two shots needed if they got Pfizer or Moderna.
Approx. 40 million have been infected and may have anti-bodies so do not need to be vaxxed yet.

As of Sep 3 NYT tracker, about 40 million cases in the US. They do NOT separate out how many of these are immunized vs not immunized so your use of that number to subtract from the number of US citizens is bogus.

Additionally your tossed out statement that they do not need to be immunized is contrary to the recommendation of every agency. The CDC writes "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 "


There are approx. 50 million children under 12 yo that cannot be vaccinated yet.

Close enough, actual estimate I found is 48 million as of 2019

There are approx. 330 million citizens in the U.S.
Again close enough, I found 333 million
That leaves about 34 million that possibly could have but have not yet been vaccinated for one reason or another.
According to the CDC approx. 75% of the U.S. has been vaccinated with at least one shot.

And the CDC's data report that of those 12 or older, only 62% are fully vaccinated, thus 38% of Americans older than 11 are NOT fully vaccinated. 36% of those 18 and above who have been eligible to be vaccinated since January are NOT fully vaccinated. That is not a few holdouts

There will always be a few hold outs when it comes to vaccinations. There always has been in the past. Some have been advised by doctors NOT to get vaccinated, even though that number is probably very low. Name calling is not going to convince anyone.

Portable morgues being sent to central Florida is no reason to panic. When this started they set up portable hospitals all over and didn't even use them. Better to be prepared and not need it than to not be prepared and need it.

I fully agree with the last sentence. As you seem to like numbers let's correct yours. With a population of 330 million minus 50 million children we have 280 million eligible to be vaccinated. 38% are not full vaccinated, or 106 million people, not 34 million. With 40 million cases in the US and a population of 330 million, the attack rate is about 10% [actually higher] And of those who get Covid the death rate is about 1 in 1000, again actually higher 46,000 / 40 million. So still having 36% of adults [about 100 million people] not protected we can predict an additional 100,000 deaths from vaccine refusals. That will fill a few extra morgues, needlessly


I realize that it is important to you to establish your expertise and importance, but if you do your research, my information was accurate at the time that it was reported. And my opinion was just as valid as anyone else's on here. I realize that it might be difficult for some on here to have a discussion without minute corrections (and I say minute with your comparison of figures) to others' posts. Next time, perhaps folks will understand that we should first clear our posts with the "expert" before posting. Not to steal someone else's saying but some of us believe in a glass half full rather than a glass half empty. I look forward to your editing in the future.
Oh, if you have a problem with the figures, I suggest contacting CDC and tell them that they need to correct their website.


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