Professional "protestors."
 

The people who want to destroy America, "transform it," if you will, are paying the thugs that are bused in to increase the violence and rev up those who live there. Police are told to "stand down" by feckless politicians (who think they control the city,) hoping that "things will simmer down." As the situation escalates, law enforcement has to resort to harsher measures, like tear gas and rubber bullets, until THEY look like the bad guys. A sad state of affairs, for sure.

maybe not ignorance
 

Maybe this is not willful nor blind ignorance. Maybe it is just a lack of knowing what to do about it. I believe that many Know of the differences in treatment of various segments of American society. Given that we do Know of this how do you propose we change it? You cannot 'govern' away discrimination. Laws do not change how people feel towards others. The overall sentiment here seems to be that if George Floyd were not Black then this would not have happened. We don't know that.

This is off the subject of the original post, but it is at the heart of what is driving the rioting. I believe the protest would be welcomed, but the rioting and looting and destruction is not protest, it is outright criminal behavior.

Why?
 

True and sad; I certainly would never justify the looting and destruction but I understand that when it happens it is an expression of power for the powerlessness because of the underlying systemic issues. It would be nice to see a little more empathy in this forum.

When two cops are gunned down in broad daylight, that just goes to show there is nowhere safe from crime anymore, even inside a Paneras. That's 15 miles outside of the Baltimore Beltway and was 200 yards from my old home.

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In Florida there is about 2 million concealed weapon permit holders. In the past on this board, when someone asked about getting a concealed weapon permit, there's always someone who will say, why would you need that in TV.

Here's a beautiful neighborhood in Windemere where the former Minneapolis police officer owns property. Yesterday the mob of rioters defaced the property. Can you imagine if they had renters in there, and suddenly 100 people are in the yard, angry people. How about the next door neighbors, they couldn't walk outside their own home. Here's some of what they did, that's one side, it's vandalized all around. They finally brought police in when it obvious they were not peaceful. This is called a protest? There is NO way anyone can justify this type behavior.

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The 60's protest, I'll tell you what that did for me. I had a draft lottery number of 265, a number that high meant I would never be drafted. At the same time I was enrolled at St. Petersburg JC, so I had a college deferment as long as I was enrolled. After watching those riots on TV, in the middle of my second year I didn't enroll in January '70 and dropped out and enlisted in the Army. How many of these rioters, and even these outspoken ones on this thread ever served this country? I can remember one who has mentioned this before, Bucco, the others can chime in and don't say the Boy Scouts.

Here I am in 1971 standing outside my mobile control tower in the DMZ of South Korea 3 miles from Panmunjom.

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Source for “most are not protesting “ ???? And followed with slow them down by shooting them. Outrageous and glorifying violence!!!

Yeah, me too.

But as so accurately stated in a now deleted post (paraphrasing) - "you who support blacks and their oppression, should shut up and just let how the majority of Villagers feel...only post." :ohdear:

Perfectly stated! So sadly true.

This is organized. How did these "riots" get started in practically every large city in a couple of days? That takes organization. Do you think its an accident that some of the leaders of these rioters are ready with incendiary devices, and tools the break into the stores and other buildings? What very wealthy individual is actively paying members of Anti-Fa and BLM? I will let you do the necessary research to find that name of the billionaire that has residences all over the world and is most likely living in Katonah, NY at this time.

A to the Men!

I posted earlier in this thread that until the systemic underlying causes are addressed nothing will change....someone else also called out the need to address the 'root causes'...another individual jumped on that post asking for clarity on what the 'root causes' are.

this is not my area of study, nor profession, but IMHO... here's my shot at what some of the systemic issues just may be:

- these folks live with an absence of hope, folks in these communities have no expectation that their lives will ever change for the better

- education is totally under valued, it is not openly encouraged by parents nor the leaders in the community, yet openly discouraged by peer pressure, as a result there is no real learning...and it has little to do with the condition of the school building, teachers aren't able to teach

- the family unit has broken down

- drugs are rampant and gangs control the streets...the inner city deaths due to gang gun violence is horrific

- living off welfare has become a generational dependency, rather than being the helping hand to get up on your feet that was originally intended

- thugs like Al Sharpton that prop themselves up as leaders are merely in the game to line their own pockets....just like Adam Clayton Powell did for years in NYC

- the British couldn't handle a rioting mob back in Concord...some officer feared for their lives and shots were fired...nothings changed...our police are human beings, emotions are going to flare and things are going to happen that shouldn't

....not a very pretty picture is it....and these are just a few things

It's no wonder that these communities 'explode'...and destroy the very neighborhoods that they live in

each one of the above represent a huge, huge challenge

and what has our society been doing about it?

well, we keep on addressing the symptoms vs. the underlying systemic causes....yeah build a new school, yet do nothing about fostering respect for the teachers and for the value that an education brings by parents, grandparents, community leaders, elected officials...let's put the responsibility where it belongs and where it will do the most good

ya, start a war on drugs....all that does is push it further underground

continue to 'feel good' that we're listening to the likes of an Al Sharpton and giving him a voice (that crook should have been thrown in jail for tax evasion just like Al Capone was)

Bermuda also has a welfare system....it works because it doesn't create a dependency upon it like ours does....In Bermuda if you are unable to live a comfortable lifestyle because the job you have doesn't pay enough, the State will subsidize you so that you can. The only catch is that you have to have a full time job

If we continue to only address the symptoms nothing changes...it's just like "eating an English Breakfast" (it keeps coming back on you)

Hopefully greater minds than mine with the resources will focus on how to address the systemic underlying issues and put all the puzzle pieces together....

Ohiobuckeye
 

It also shows their mentality, they’re looting, burning & rioting in there own neighborhoods. The next thing they’ll be protesting will be we have no groceries, clothing, etc. etc. I feel bad for the elderly in those neighborhoods that get a prescription filled because these young people I think they think this is a big party. Just look at the news on TV & look at some of these young people laughing & yoking it up. Is this the way these parents brought these young people & had no control. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore
Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

So you chose to support the African American community by moving to The Villages? :shocked:

That's because we allowed the 3rd world to run across our borders with no consequences.

If you are so ashamed of the attitudes here and lack of diversity I think you'd be more happy in one or more of our fine cities. They are more diverse and have nice golf courses too, plus you won't be surrounded by racists.

If you really want to help minorities, I suggest you donate to the committee to reelect the President, since during his first term unemployment for those groups went to their lowest levels ever.

Don’t be a part of the problem.
 

Sir, IMHO, if you as a “proud, old, white person” are not doing anything to solve the problem, you ARE part of the problem.
Our age gives us experience. Our age gives us knowledge.
Not one single person can say “I’m not the problem”.

Derek Chauvin had racked up 18 complaints against him. Is this typical? 3 strikes and you’re out? Not with the unions. Same as teacher unions supporting crappy teachers. Angers me

Really? Examples please with the party at fault.

True. Sad thing is that type of mentality has been happening since man has been on the face of the earth. Don’t think it’s going to change now.

You are 200% right. Isn't it too bad not everyone thinks this way. Its so simple!

It's pretty simple.
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If you want law and order, work for justice. The logical contrapositive, if you do not work for justice, you will not have law and order also is true. what the policemen did was not justice. Thus there is an absence of law and order.

The violence and looting remind me of what Barney Fife always said.

If he was still around, he would have told Minneapolis to "nip it in the bud".

I'm sure you can take a wild guess

Wayne Isaacs, a New York City police officer who shot and killed Delrawn Small in July 2016, was acquitted in November 2017.

Jason Stockley, a former St. Louis police officer who shot and killed Anthony Lamar Smith in 2011, was acquitted in September 2017.

Betty Shelby, a former Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer who killed Terence Crutcher in 2016, was acquitted in July 2017.

Ray Tensing, a former University of Cincinnati police officer who killed Samuel DuBose in 2015, was let go after a second mistrial in June 2017.

Dominique Heaggan-Brown, a Milwaukee police officer who killed a fleeing black man in 2016, was acquitted in June 2017.

Jeronimo Yanez, a former St. Anthony, Minnesota, officer who killed Philando Castile in 2016, was acquitted in June 2017.

Baltimore police officers Edward Nero, Caesar Goodson and Brian Rice, who were charged after the in-custody injury and resulting death of Freddie Gray in 2015, were found not guilty in separate bench trials, on charges that ranged from second-degree depraved heart murder to official misconduct in 2016

Howie Lake and Blane Salamoni, the Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers involved in the shooting death of Alton Sterling in 2016, did not receive civil rights charges from the Department of Justice.

Brentley Vinson, the Charlotte, North Carolina, police officer who officials said shot and killed Keith Lamont Scott in 2016, was not charged in the man’s death.

Bryan Mason, the Columbus, Ohio, police officer who shot and killed 13-year-old Tyre King in 2016, was not charged in the boy’s death.



Matt Kenny, the Madison, Wisconsin, police officer who shot and killed Tony Robinson in 2015, was not charged.

Darren Wilson, the former Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who shot and killed Mike Brown in 2014, was not charged with the unarmed teen’s death.

Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback, the Cleveland, Ohio, police officers involved in the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014, were not charged.

Daniel Pantaleo, the New York City police officer who held Eric Garner in a chokehold before his death in 2014, was not charged.

Anthony Carelli, the White Plains, New York, police officer who fatally shot Kenneth Chamberlain Sr. in 2011, was not indicted by a state grand jury. In 2016, a jury in a civil case brought by Chamberlain’s family found the city of White Plains and its police officers were not liable for the man’s death.

It seems like they were terrorists, White supremisists, Black Lives Matter or people carrying their signs, and foreign agents who were there to incite havoc and take advantage of this pandemic. There were probably some legitimate protesters too.

The actions of the Al Sharpton hatred industry have destroyed what I believe was the greatest chance for change in decades!

In recent riot inducing actions (Eric Garner, NYC and Michael Brown, MO) their were extenuating circumstances that justified police actions. This case as close to perfect as it gets, if you are looking for racial equality changes. Watch the 8 minutes of multiple videos and two things are unforgettable> (1) Mr. Floyd did nothing to deserve the treatment he got! (2) It is a systemic problem in the Minneapolis Police Department. That is absolutely proven by complete nonchalance of the other three officers observing the horrendous actions by Chauvin without the slightest concern of wrong doing, as they looked right into video devices recording them! In short, changes for the better would have been guaranteed IF the hate industry had stayed out of it. There was simply no argument available to oppose any requested actions.

INSTEAD the discussion is now centered on the disgusting destruction and ruination of innocent lives caused by mobs that simply want to break, burn and steal things!

Pictures say it all.

10 people arrested all were from out of state

My son is a physician in Minne. The first home he bought was about 3 blocks from all the commotion. It was not a particularly "bad" area. He now lives about 10 blocks from all the stores that were burnt. He says that he has trouble getting to and from the hospitals at which he works because of all the destruction and the traffic it has caused. I don't understand why this looting etc. situation makes anything any better. Please pray for Chris and all the people who are forced to still go out. Keep them out of danger TY

As Dan Cook once said "The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings". Wife of ex-Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin reportedly filing for divorce | Fox News

Apparently, when push came to shove, the curfew was just ignored and the Guard and police disappeared. Thus another night of allowed chaos.

Yes, they can. And, yes, I would be careful of coming to a conclusion of what really happened during this incident until more information is be released. The Rabbit Hole is deep.

Here's the Governor of Minnesota press conference yesterday.
It's long but we'll worth viewing.
Minnesota Governor Walz holds press conference over George Floyd death unrest part 3 - CBSN Live Video - CBS News

I get that there needs to be consequences for bigoted people with racist attitudes....and that needs be a piece of the puzzle...but if that's it, then it's just kicking the damn can down the street once again, the underlying systemic issues need to be addressed...otherwise, nothing ever changes

Pathology of Asphyxial Death: Overview, Epidemiology, Mechanism of Morbidity and Mortality

Mechanical asphyxiation.

Y'all tell me please why a large man kneeling on your neck cutting off blood and oxygen while telling him that you can't breathe then laying there for 2 minutes dead before your pulse is checked by 2 other officers who can't find one is not the main cause of death

This is just an excuse to loot stores. I remember Watts, in LA what a mess. Nothing has changed !

And whose fault is that? If only law enforcement was able to arrest the looters and vandals.

Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest, what happened here was anything but.