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ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1775430)
Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.
Excellent question of Northwoods Bucco. :thumbup:

But that question needs to be asked of a whole lot more people...than just Northwoods. :ohdear:

ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1775419)
I still want to know... why do you socialize (play golf) with racists?
1. They now know to not express their racist/bigoted comments around me...and I can live with that.

2. I like team golf with 5 or 6 foursomes, playing different games for money and it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble groups that large...without having at least some racists and bigots in it.


Satisfied? :ho:

Northwoods 06-01-2020 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1775430)
Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.
I agree with you. I have friends on both "sides of the aisle." I respect all of them... and their views. Some may not have the same political viewpoint I do, but I respect that they feel differently than I do. They are still my friends. I don't feel any of my friends, regardless of their political viewpoint, are racist.

I had a simple question to CNM... "if you have such a visceral reaction to people you feel are racist, why do you golf with them?"

B767drvr 06-01-2020 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1775430)
Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.
Oh Bucco... you seem confused. CNM is just a poster on this forum, like you and me. He doesn't control who posts. CNM doesn't "enable" who posts.

B767drvr 06-01-2020 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1775449)
Moderator close this thread, Thanks!
Why the constant desire to close threads, John? Just skip the threads that don't interest you. I honestly don't understand?

ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1775451)
Oh Bucco... you seem confused. CNM is just a poster on this forum, like you and me. He doesn't control who posts. CNM doesn't "enable" who posts.
Go read Bucco's response again...he's talking to Northwoods.

Northwoods 06-01-2020 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1775435)
1. They now know to not express their racist/bigoted comments around me...and I can live with that.

2. I like team golf with 5 or 6 foursomes, playing different games for money and it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble groups that large...without having at least some racists and bigots in it.


Satisfied? :ho:
Yes. Satisfied.
First of all... I give you TOTAL credit for being honest.
So what you are saying is "I know I play golf with racist people but as long as they don't verbalize their racist comments around me, I'm fine."
And "it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble golf groups..without having at least some racists and bigots in it."
You chastise people for being complacent. You stand up for injustice!!! Yet you socialize with these people. Because as long as they don't verbalize their viewpoints, I'm fine. Because I really really like to golf.

B767drvr 06-01-2020 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1775461)
I find threads like these are devisive, uninformative, do not relate to The Villages and create an atmosphere of hate. We should be discussing life in The Villages, the way the Boards use to be run before CNM decided to crap on these boards.
John, I respect your point of view as I do others, whether I agree with them or not. This is a message/discussion board and you will discover many different points of view. You may even be persuaded to change your view on a subject.

I abhor censorship, as you are encouraging, for the unsaid message is the reader is not intelligent enough to decipher the truth.

John_W 06-01-2020 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1775468)
John, I respect your point of view as I do others, whether I agree with them or not. This is a message/discussion board and you will discover many different points of view. You may even be persuaded to change your view on a subject.

I abhor censorship, as you are encouraging, for the unsaid message is the reader is not intelligent enough to decipher the truth.
This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!

ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1775465)
Yes. Satisfied.
First of all... I give you TOTAL credit for being honest. Thank you.

So what you are saying is "I know I play golf with racist people but as long as they don't verbalize their racist comments around me, I'm fine." Yep.

And "it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble golf groups..without having at least some racists and bigots in it." Yep again.

You chastise people for being complacent. You stand up for injustice!!! Yep...every chance I get. BUT, if people don't espouse their racism/bigotry...there's nothing to stand up for.

Yet you socialize with these people. Nope, I don't "socialize" with them, or even eat lunch (in the old days) with them. I just play golf, collect any money I might have won...then leave. And now that we get to all use our own carts and can't sit down for lunch...it's even that much nicer. :thumbup:

Because as long as they don't verbalize their viewpoints, I'm fine. Because I really really like to golf. Yep...you got it.
:ho:

B767drvr 06-01-2020 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1775474)
This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!
John you seem like a genuinely nice guy and I appreciate your posts. However, I politely encourage you to simply skip threads you don't enjoy or agree with and allow others to view disparate points of view and make up their own minds. Peace.

Bay Kid 06-02-2020 06:15 AM
Another night of protest in Richmond VA. Do these protesters ever work?

billethkid 06-02-2020 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1775474)
This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!
Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.

Bucco 06-02-2020 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1775690)
Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.
Surprise....I totally agree.

While that is important, the rule on attacking other posters is violated over and over, yet no complaints.

I suppose some of the references to dark skinned Americans on this forum the last few days are okay also., using phrases and terms that are objectionable in every way.

I could go on but you get the point......plus, the issue that brings this objectionable phrases is very P

Bucco 06-02-2020 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1775690)
Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.
What YOU refer to as "negative naysayers" is an opinion different than yours.

collie1228 06-02-2020 07:51 AM
Are the moderators of this forum on vacation or otherwise occupied? I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed due to the political nature of it, plus the personal attacks that never used to be allowed. Geesh.

John_W 06-02-2020 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 1775713)
Are the moderators of this forum on vacation or otherwise occupied? I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed due to the political nature of it, plus the personal attacks that never used to be allowed. Geesh.
I figured it out, advertising dollars are controlled by traffic count. They're sitting back counting their money. So when a couple of libs post their negative comments, of course a community of seniors, veterans, retired police, and just plain honest hardworking citizens respond, the count goes up. There is no other reason to allow this trash to continue on our boards. What they may soon learn is most of the good people will stay away and their traffic will be going WAY down!!!!!!!!!

Bay Kid 06-03-2020 07:16 AM
Still protesting in Richmond Va last night 6-2. Is this just going to be the new normal?

amexsbow 06-03-2020 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1773064)

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.



You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.
I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.

ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1776375)
I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.
Typical right-wing deflection and lying.

Here's your proof. ;)

Twitter says fake "Antifa" account was run by white supremacists - CBS News
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Twitter has shut down multiple accounts that it says were operated by a white supremacist group posing as liberal groups encouraging violence.

Twitter said the white supremacist group Identity Evropa used one fake account, @Antifa_US, to call for violence in majority white suburbs, in the name of the Black Lives Matter movement. The account's removal was first reported by NBC News.

"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts. We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules" the company said.

And NO, there aren't ANY reasons to justify violence & looting...during what should be peaceful protests. :ho:

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-03-2020 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1776375)
I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.
Many of the actual protests are intended to be peaceful. However in some of these protests, white supremacists show up and start trouble ON PURPOSE and actually are setting fires. Literal fires. As in - burning down buildings. And then ducking away so it appears that it's the local black citizenship who are causing it.

SOME of this destruction is being done by black folks. But SOME of it is not - and is being done on purpose to create chaos and cast blame on people who weren't responsible for it at all.

Like the twitter account that was shut down (see that post somewhere above mine with the link to the CBS article). The account was spewing hatred and pretending to be Antifa but it was, in fact, white nationalists behind the account. Doing it on purpose. Making it look as though anti-fascists are the cause of it. When they had nothing to do with it at all.

That is what is going on all over the country. There's a lot being pointed at anti-fascists, as though they're some kind of organized military group. Which - they not only aren't, but they are actually against. That's the whole point of their existence. They are AGAINST organized authority. That's what Antifa means. Anti...Fascist.

It's basically what MOST Americans already are, by default. Unless you embrace fascism - you are either against it, or you don't care if this country becomes a dictatorship.

mtdjed 06-03-2020 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1773064)
Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.
And your position supports all of this continuing non peaceful protesting. Why are they protesting? You want Justice ? Justice is happening. What else do you want? Miracles or more crime that you are promoting.

Villagerjjm 06-03-2020 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1773128)
I would like to know how Al Sharpton is helping.
Why?

Villagerjjm 06-03-2020 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1775559)
Another night of protest in Richmond VA. Do these protesters ever work?
I know that it is easy to live in a bubble that blocks the outside world in this piece of Paradise called The Villages, but just in case you can't see beyond The Daily Sun, unemployment right now is the highest it has been since the Great Depression. I think it would be a good guess that a lot of the people that are protesting are unemployed by no fault of their own.

Bay Kid 06-04-2020 06:51 AM
Still doing their protest thing in Richmond VA 6-3. Governor and mayor don't seem to care, the mayor even joined in the party. Also in VA protesters BUSED into a small, out of the way, town yesterday, Mathews County. All businesses told to close. To what end. This is planned against working people.

Something fishy is going on in VA.

Bay Kid 06-06-2020 07:44 AM
Still partying in Richmond Va., I mean protesting. Now, after painting really bad things I won't repeat, on Gen. Lee's statue the king is having all historical statues removed as soon as possible. So destroy and rewrite history.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-06-2020 08:52 AM
Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?

Bucco 06-06-2020 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1778387)
Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?
Black kills black, white kills black, black kills white and whites kill whites every day.

Again, the issue is a segment (blacks) of the population grows up, is formed emotionally by fear of another segment (white) and especially the part of that group that has total authority over them.

They don't get up one morning and decide to hate someone. That kind of thing builds so that any preposterous act can release all the frustration either of an entire life or years. Lashing out is what happens and reacting as if they did not grow up with the emotional "threat" hanging over them would be not normal.

I think nobody endorses these acts, especially the looting I suppose changing the subject is an option.

If you believe that all whites hate backs or all blacks Harte whites, I think you are mistaken. We are a product of our emotional growth and influences.

Bay Kid 06-07-2020 07:29 AM
Still protesting in Richmond VA last night. Destruction again.

Seems protesting to be the only thing the mayor and governor allow for us to do if we want to be in groups of 10 or more.

Stu from NYC 06-07-2020 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1779010)
Still protesting in Richmond VA last night. Destruction again.

Seems protesting to be the only thing the mayor and governor allow for us to do if we want to be in groups of 10 or more.
Peaceful protests are fine and constructive, destruction and violence sets everything back.

LI SNOWBIRD 06-07-2020 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by get real (Post 1773273)
that is the funniest thing i heard all day.
i agree!!!!

billethkid 06-07-2020 10:13 AM
Not intended for peaceful demonstrators.

Where are the water cannons of the past?
A few of those would slow down or stop the rioters.

I know....how dare anybody suggest stopping the rioters and looters!!!

Bay Kid 06-08-2020 05:35 AM
Another protest/destroy day in Richmond VA. Groundhog day VA. It is Monday, maybe they will go to work?

camaguey48 06-08-2020 06:02 AM
Peaceful. That's the key word. Mr. Floyd, who was not a model citizen himself, was under control and was not a threat. Still, he was a human being. This Chauvin guy and his three spineless cohorts need to be thrown in prison for a long, long time.

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 1779607)
Peaceful. That's the key word. Mr. Floyd, who was not a model citizen himself, was under control and was not a threat. Still, he was a human being. This Chauvin guy and his three spineless cohorts need to be thrown in prison for a long, long time.
:agree:...100%

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-08-2020 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1778309)
Still partying in Richmond Va., I mean protesting. Now, after painting really bad things I won't repeat, on Gen. Lee's statue the king is having all historical statues removed as soon as possible. So destroy and rewrite history.
It's not being destroyed and rewritten. It's being cleaned and moved to a more appropriate place. They haven't decided the place yet. Most suggestions involve museums. They provide historical content and context to our country and should be preserved, so future generations can understand how our country ended up being what it is, and why. But statues that honor people who led troops to kill other troops in order to preserve the slave culture don't belong in places where descendants of those slaves have to pass by, or see every time they leave their homes. And responsible, civilized people whose ancestors owned slaves, don't need to be reminded constantly of the shameful past of their families.

These things SHOULD be preserved. And they SHOULD be made available to anyone who WANTS to see them and learn about them. That's a museum. Not a the middle of a public park.

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779666)
It's not being destroyed and rewritten. It's being cleaned and moved to a more appropriate place. They haven't decided the place yet. Most suggestions involve museums. They provide historical content and context to our country and should be preserved, so future generations can understand how our country ended up being what it is, and why. But statues that honor people who led troops to kill other troops in order to preserve the slave culture don't belong in places where descendants of those slaves have to pass by, or see every time they leave their homes. And responsible, civilized people whose ancestors owned slaves, don't need to be reminded constantly of the shameful past of their families.

These things SHOULD be preserved. And they SHOULD be made available to anyone who WANTS to see them and learn about them. That's a museum. Not a the middle of a public park.
:thumbup:

Traitors, who wanted to destroy and divide this UNITED States of America and continue the ownership of other human beings, should NEVER be allowed to be in public places...to be worshipped/admired.

Bay Kid 06-09-2020 07:51 AM
The Bible says not to worship idols. I wish they would move the 100+ year old statues. Then the protesters can just destroy other things they are told not to like. Let them burn the city, again.

Now Richmond VA would like to defund police funds and take that money to hire people to go the poor neighborhoods to teach them how to act. Good luck with that.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-09-2020 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1778387)
Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?
I would look at this from a different perspective (ask different questions) to answer the question you ask.

Look at all the arrests on violent criminals in total. Now eliminate the ones that are black cops against white criminals, and black cops against black criminals, and white or black against "other" (asians, latinos, philipino, etc). Narrow it down to ONLY white cops against white violent criminals, and white cops against black violent criminals.

Now look at the method of apprehending the criminal for each. Serial killers, murderers, known rapists, people in the act of committing armed robbery with injuries already reported.

Now look at the white violent criminals in THOSE very specific isolated situations who were shot dead on sight by the white police.

Now look at the black violent criminals in the SAME very specific situations who were shot dead on sight by the white police.

Compare the two. You'll have your answer.

600th Photo Sq 06-09-2020 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1775320)
The price one may pay for bringing forth the truth, or standing up for justice and to personal attacks from the bully clique...is still worth it. :thumbup:
I have yet to see you being the least bit concerned about the safety of the police.

Not so much as a Peep.

The strategic placing of large containers of Bricks, Rocks, Plastic Bottles filled with Cement, and the latest Ice Cream Containers filled with Cement Disguised as " Ice Cream ".

Many have been seriously injured and have died.

So Madam what say you?


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