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Stu from NYC 08-05-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1813189)
Other than the Merry Christmas thing, I agree with everything you posted. Including the being from a diverse town in Connecticut (Hamden/New Haven/East Haven/North Haven - lived in a combination of all those, most of my life).

The Merry Christmas thing doesn't bother me at all because we were exposed to it from the time we were kids, and public schools had Christmas pageants, Christmas plays, Easter egg hunts, etc. etc. My Jewish upbringing taught me that it was all fairy tales, but they were fun fairy tales so we rolled with it.

I have had a run-in with someone here in TV recently, who asked which church I belonged to. When I told them none, I'm Jewish, they abruptly changed their posture and tone of voice - the rest of the conversation seemed to be coming from the perspective of sympathy that I hadn't yet accepted Jesus as my personal savior. I just rolled the invisible eyes in the back of my head, put on a fake smile, and excused myself to go on to do other things.

We have found people very accepting when we tell them we are Jewish.

Expect that Christmas time we will be asked regularly are we ready for it and etc and we will typically say yes as they mean well.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-05-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1813208)
We have found people very accepting when we tell them we are Jewish.

Expect that Christmas time we will be asked regularly are we ready for it and etc and we will typically say yes as they mean well.

Yup. I've found the same by and large. I was warned that "the south" is very much into the whole "what church do you go to" thing when they're welcoming new people. I haven't found that the case here in Florida (which isn't exactly "the south"), which was why it was so notable that it finally did happen, in the midst of polite conversation.

Red White & Blue 08-05-2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1813018)
Marketing by the developer is why it is so white here. They only advertise to upper end white areas.

Total Fake News! :ohdear:
So your saying that only WHITES can access the internet which seems 80% is the way the Villages promote its self and another 19% is word of mouth.

Heyitsrick 08-06-2020 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1813189)

The Merry Christmas thing doesn't bother me at all because we were exposed to it from the time we were kids, and public schools had Christmas pageants, Christmas plays, Easter egg hunts, etc. etc. My Jewish upbringing taught me that it was all fairy tales, but they were fun fairy tales so we rolled with it.

Unless you're specifically referring to the non-religious parts of Christian holidays (Santa Claus / Easter Bunny, etc.), I do find it interesting to learn that Christian tenets were taught as "fairy tales" by a religion that professes to believe in an incorporeal God. I'm wondering what the threshold is to reach the "fairy tale" bar. Obviously, a supernatural deity doesn't make the cut.

billethkid 08-06-2020 08:05 AM

Anonymity is such a wonderful catalyst.
:)

Stu from NYC 08-06-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red White & Blue (Post 1813270)
Total Fake News! :ohdear:
So your saying that only WHITES can access the internet which seems 80% is the way the Villages promote its self and another 19% is word of mouth.

Amazing some of the comments on here.

living in Va do not believe we ever saw an add for the Villages, kept hearing about it from folks we met on cruises who all loved this place and than turns out our daughters sorority sisters parents live here.

thesquare 08-06-2020 09:46 AM

Has TOTV become the place for conscience clearing assistance? I think professional help might be the answer to the problem..

Jerry101 08-06-2020 12:17 PM

Object !!!
 
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1812534)
If you were a white male in 1966 and you were not racist, you were breaking the rules of 1966. We were all raised in a racist society then. The question is, are you a racist now?

... no WE weren’t!!! Seriously, how dare you make such a blanket statement! WE were in Sunday school and church every Sunday. WE lived by the Golden Rule. Our OP must need a ‘shrink’! Are you serious? You’re rethinking 1966??? John 3:16. ... the perfect compliment to ALL LIVES MATTER...

twinklesweep 08-06-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Villagerjjm (Post 1813069)
How would you react if you had a son who wanted to marry her?

How WOULD we react? For us the question was how DID we react. We did with love, acceptance, and joy on our part. That they're an interracial couple is unimportant to us—and obviously to them; we feel so fortunate that they are as happy and as accomplished as they are. As parents we could not be more thrilled than to see our kids like this. I suspect, though, from the question that not everyone would feel as we do....

billethkid 08-06-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1813640)
How WOULD we react? For us the question was how DID we react. We did with love, acceptance, and joy on our part. That they're an interracial couple is unimportant to us—and obviously to them; we feel so fortunate that they are as happy and as accomplished as they are. As parents we could not be more thrilled than to see our kids like this. I suspect, though, from the question that not everyone would feel as we do....

Those that don't?
Just acknowledge their isolated report. Then ignore!

twinklesweep 08-06-2020 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1813208)
We have found people very accepting when we tell them we are Jewish.

Expect that Christmas time we will be asked regularly are we ready for it and etc and we will typically say yes as they mean well.

This brings to mind a story that's off-subject (sorry...); maybe a bit of lightness is appropriate, though?

Somewhere in the Deep South a country club is planning a coming-out cotillion, and the organizers go to the local military base to ask if they can send four male officers to help balance the numbers, preferably good social dancers. They extend the invitation, then quietly add that they do not allow Jews in their country club, so could the military make sure to send only Christians and no Jews.

The day of the event comes, and the four Christian officers show up—spiffily dressed in formal uniforms, tall, good looking, smiling, professing to be good dancers—and all African-American!

The organizers who greet them are horrified. One, stammering somewhat, says to the four men, "There must be some mistake...."

One officer replies, "Oh no, there was no mistake. Major Goldberg never makes mistakes!"

Number 10 GI 08-06-2020 06:50 PM

Every race has members that strongly object to marriage outside of their race, not just whites. There are people of religious groups that object to marrying outside their religion. So please get off the only whites object to marriage outside of their race. I've seen many examples of this during my lifetime.

tophcfa 08-06-2020 09:24 PM

Since we seem to be putting ourselves on trial, I will put myself on trial. So, why the hell do I own such a beautiful place in the Villages and still spend more than half of my time up north wishing I was in the Villages? Guilty as charged : ( Dam the responsibilities!

tvbound 08-06-2020 10:28 PM

We improve ourselves, and society overall, by being willing to question and evaluate our deeply held prejudices. Congrats to the OP for recognizing this and at least be willing to address it. If only it were done more often, a lot of our current societal problems and issues could be immeasurably be addressed for the better-by making the effort.

Bikeracer2009 08-06-2020 10:47 PM

You say you're putting yourself on trial for possibly being a racist and then don't offer any facts to convict yourself of such a thing. This public trial you put yourself through seems to lack a prosecutor. I can't see anyone convicting you of racism for ignoring the one black girl in your school when you ignored all of the females.

I would file a motion to dismiss.

Stu from NYC 08-07-2020 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1813660)
This brings to mind a story that's off-subject (sorry...); maybe a bit of lightness is appropriate, though?

Somewhere in the Deep South a country club is planning a coming-out cotillion, and the organizers go to the local military base to ask if they can send four male officers to help balance the numbers, preferably good social dancers. They extend the invitation, then quietly add that they do not allow Jews in their country club, so could the military make sure to send only Christians and no Jews.

The day of the event comes, and the four Christian officers show up—spiffily dressed in formal uniforms, tall, good looking, smiling, professing to be good dancers—and all African-American!

The organizers who greet them are horrified. One, stammering somewhat, says to the four men, "There must be some mistake...."

One officer replies, "Oh no, there was no mistake. Major Goldberg never makes mistakes!"

Thanks for the laugh

Heyitsrick 08-07-2020 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1813746)
We improve ourselves, and society overall, by being willing to question and evaluate our deeply held prejudices. Congrats to the OP for recognizing this and at least be willing to address it. If only it were done more often, a lot of our current societal problems and issues could be immeasurably be addressed for the better-by making the effort.

I agree, but with this proviso: This has to be undertaken by everyone. People of every race, every religion, every ethnicity, etc., must engage in this. No one gets a pass.

Byte1 08-07-2020 02:32 PM

Sorry, but if you are looking for partners or advocates for Self-flagellation, you won't find it on my end. I'm too old for historical/past regrets. If you feel you wronged someone then you need to forgive yourself. It is none of our business if you suddenly feel guilty for being human. I see no reason for someone to feel guilty about being white, wealthy, attractive, or successful. I also see no reason to feel inferior if you are black, female, Jewish, or homely. If you have a history of treating people wrong, due only because of appearances then that is a problem for you to work out. It is not my problem, and I make no excuses for anyone.
Funny thing about the Internet. Everyone wants to reveal their most inner and personal thoughts. It really does not matter what you think of someone else, as long as it does not interfere with how you treat them. I have known really good people that were also racists, both black and white. I say good, because in spite of their bias, they still treated people with respect and civility. I have known racists that would risk their lives for those very people that they were biased against. You cannot legislate how people think. All you can do is legislate conduct. Generally speaking, good people do not need laws to dictate how to treat others.

Bob3302 08-08-2020 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry101 (Post 1813538)
... No we weren’t!!! Seriously, how dare you make such a blanket statement! We were in sunday school and church every sunday. We lived by the golden rule. Our op must need a ‘shrink’! Are you serious? You’re rethinking 1966??? John 3:16. ... The perfect compliment to all lives matter...

if you can clearly state that you are a god fearing,church attending, person of faith.....and you do not hate anyone......you are not a racist.
“hate destroys the vessal its carried in”

Fredman 08-08-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1812659)
I do not think it is realistic to look back in time and measure the past using today's metrics.

It was a different time.

I am not sure why some feel the need to try to re-write what was then acceptable or not. An exercise proving nothing!

Agree completely

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-08-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob3302 (Post 1814461)
if you can clearly state that you are a god fearing,church attending, person of faith.....and you do not hate anyone......you are not a racist.
“hate destroys the vessal its carried in”

I can state it clearly.

I'd be lying through my teeth, but I can certainly state it. Clearly. I can even pretend to be sincere about it.

However, regardless of my biases, regardless of my complete and total lack of interest in any church (other than the Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster, all hail His noodly appendage), regardless in my faith that faith is an exercise in futility, and regardless in the fact that MY god is not fearsome, she is totally loveable -

I am not a racist.

John41 08-15-2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1813177)
In general, tribalism is an anthropological survival mechanism, which can explain lots of things.

The first post that hits the nail on the head. Birds of a feather flock together. All the rest is total BS.

Topspinmo 08-15-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1812534)
If you were a white male in 1966 and you were not racist, you were breaking the rules of 1966. We were all raised in a racist society then. The question is, are you a racist now?

You maybe, but not me.

punkpup 08-16-2020 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1812641)
It seems to me that we are all more comfortable with people who are like us and we are more comfortable with.

In NYC the best neighborhoods for raising children were predominantly Italian, Irish and Jewish. We all had family values and took care of each others kids.

Lived in Queens for many years and sold two co-ops. Had many people come and look when we sold but do not remember any Blacks coming.

Does that make anyone racist? I dont think so.

Let me ask another question. Why are there so few black families here?

There is a growing middle class among Blacks, and many could afford to live here. Why are they not here?

I’m here! (But currently in Boston, MA preparing to sell my house there.) Yes it’s true that African Americans are not as robustly represented in The Villages, but more and more of us are discovering the fabulous Villages Lifestyle!


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