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JMintzer 11-12-2021 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2028581)
there are pictures of him making the white power ok sign....no one forced him to do that.

so you know several people that are racists...do you hang out with them in bars letting them serenade you with Proud Boys anthem????

idk, if I was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest, it's not something I would do. I would use my "reasoning" to think that's not a good look.
You mean this sign?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/resiz...wh9-snap-image

Who knew they were all "white supremacists"?

Trayderjoe 11-12-2021 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2028509)
And do you know that he is suffering from anything that you posted???? No...I didn't think so.
Please present your proof that he is NOT suffering from the conditions cited. No....I didn't think so.

JMintzer 11-12-2021 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2028581)
there are pictures of him making the white power ok sign....no one forced him to do that.

so you know several people that are racists...do you hang out with them in bars letting them serenade you with Proud Boys anthem????

idk, if I was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest, it's not something I would do. I would use my "reasoning" to think that's not a good look.
And once again, what is this "Proud Boys Anthem" you keep speaking of?

Does it have a name?

Trayderjoe 11-12-2021 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2028529)
It' wasn't an "assault rifle". He didn't transport it to another state...

He live right over the border, in Ohio, only 15 minutes away and he worked in Kenosha, daily. His father lived there... So just give up on the "crossing state lines" BS narrative already...

He was actively asking people if they "needed medical assistance". It's on video.

He threatened no one with his rifle. He passed countless others who completely ignored him. It's on video.

It wasn't until the child rapist, Rosenbaum, decided to attack him that things went sideways...
There you go, letting facts get in the way of "their truth".

JMintzer 11-12-2021 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2028585)
well....he was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest....he was there illegally carrying a weapon now he was again breaking the law by drinking in a bar (if his mother wants to give him a drink in the privacy of their home, that's different) to do so in public seems like a flaunting display of entitlement.
Per the Google machine:

"Under Ohio law, children under the age of 21 may drink alcoholic beverages while under the supervision of their parents. This means one parent (or legal guardian) must give consent and be physically present while the child consumes alcohol. ... Yes, you can let your kids have a beer under your supervision."

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“Proud of Your Boy” a song written for the 1992 Disney film “Aladdin,” but not used until a 2011 stage adaptation, and is the source of the name of the far-right group self-described “western chauvinist” group the Proud Boys. Prosecutors said the song sung by members of the Proud Boys “as an anthem and for self-identification.”
"Prosecutors said"... Well, that must mean it's true! Bwahahaha! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 11-12-2021 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2028592)
yes, that's so much better. it was only an AK-15 style rifle
so what's the big deal some teenager was roaming the streets with it? oh,yeah there's this:

AR-15 rifles are lighter and have a higher rate of accuracy than the AK-47, but the AK-47 is considerably cheaper and more dependable in comparison.

and this:The AR-15 is sometimes called "America's Rifle" because it is the most popular long gun in the country. There are around 10 million AR-15 units currently in the United States. In fact, the AR-15 has also been popular with perpetrators of mass shootings — the gun was used in the San Bernardino, Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings.

whew, I feel so much better now that you said it wasn't an AK-47
No, it wasn't an "AK-15 style" rifle either...

AR actually stands for "Armalite Rifle". Armalite is the company that developed the rifle...

And yes, it is THE most popular rifle sold in the US. Maybe THAT's why he bought it...

And Glocks are the most popular handgun. And surprisingly, they are the handgun most often used in a crime.

Hmmm, I'm sensing a trend, something to do with statistics...

Trayderjoe 11-12-2021 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 2028534)
Yup after 12 surgeries with anesthesia my brain cells are rusting. I can’t see the the importance of all these posts when NO ONE IS AGHAST THAT AN 18 YEAR OLD GOES OUT FOR AN EVENING TOTING AN
AK47? Oh right, gun rights and all that crap.
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2028537)
Well, he didn't have an AK-47, so there's that...
And of course the video evidence of him cleaning off graffiti, rendering aid to others, etc.

Yet no one is AGHAST that one of the people shot was actually illegally carrying a handgun AND POINTED IT at Rittenhouse, by HIS OWN ADMISSION, before he was shot. No one is AGHAST that an "adult" hit Rittenhouse in the head with his skateboard and continued to advance on Rittenhouse when he was shot.

This is what happens when facts don't matter, taking MSM as the arbiters of truth, and being too lazy to actually try and find out the facts.

manaboutown 11-12-2021 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2028596)
Well - you can ask MOST people in this country. Since every single person in this country had the same options:

a) Show up in a town you don't know anything about, in a state you don't even live in, at while you are still a minor who isn't even eligible to join the armed forces, armed with a semi-automatic weapon that had previously been classified as an actual assault weapon, to an event where you know you will be expecting violence, which is why you are bringing your firearm, to "protect" or "defend" people who never asked you to show up at all.

Or

b) Stay home, or go to work, or go to school if it was on a school day, or go outside and toss a football with your pals, or go shopping, or "anything OTHER than the above paragraph."

Most people chose option b.

In fact, even most people who chose to attend the event weren't armed at all, let alone with a semi-automatic weapon. MOST people chose not to be armed with a firearm at all.

MOST people were not shot at, and MOST people were not killed. And MOST people - including the people who WERE armed - chose not to shoot anyone.
"This kid went on the stand, and he defended himself. He defended his freedom, and he was superb. If you’re guilty as hell, trust me, you’re not going to go on that stand, and he withstood the lies and the attacks by the prosecutor, trying to trick him. He’s 18 years old.

He was absolutely outstanding. He defended himself. If this kid hadn’t shot Rosenbaum, he’d be dead. If this kid hadn’t shot Huber, he’d be dead. If this kid hadn’t shot Grosskreutz, he’d be dead.

Now, we keep hearing about this kid oh he had rounds in his rifle, what should he have? Ten? Oh, he crossed state lines to go to Kenosha. First of all, he didn’t and so what if he did, his father lived there.

Why is he the one that’s on defense? Why is he the one that has to explain himself to the media? They don’t tell us about Rosenbaum.

Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of the rifle. Now, who is this guy? He’s prohibited from possessing or was firearms. He had sex with a minor, gruesome grotesque sex with a minor. He’s a bail jumper, two domestic abuse charges. That’s Rosenbaum. You haven’t heard about Rosenbaum.

How about Huber, hits him in the head, chases him with a skateboard. That’s like a bat, then hits him in the neck with a skateboard. Who was he? Well, among other things, he had he was a domestic abuse repeater. Well, shouldn’t people know that?

Who’s Grosskreutz? Just this poor guy who was walking around carrying a pistol? Why did he carry a pistol? Why did he aim it at this kid’s head?

He wasn’t provoked. He chose to do that himself, and as he said on the stand, that’s when he got shot. So my view is this is disgusting."

From: Levin Hammers Rittenhouse Prosecution -- 'This Prosecutor's Ass Should Be in Front of an Ethics Committee'

JMintzer 11-12-2021 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2028596)
Well - you can ask MOST people in this country. Since every single person in this country had the same options:

a) Show up in a town you don't know anything about, in a state you don't even live in, at while you are still a minor who isn't even eligible to join the armed forces, armed with a semi-automatic weapon that had previously been classified as an actual assault weapon, to an event where you know you will be expecting violence, which is why you are bringing your firearm, to "protect" or "defend" people who never asked you to show up at all.
He live only a few miles away and worked in Kenosha. His father lived there. Strike One...

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Or

b) Stay home, or go to work, or go to school if it was on a school day, or go outside and toss a football with your pals, or go shopping, or "anything OTHER than the above paragraph."

Most people chose option b.
Completely irrelevant... Strike Two...

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In fact, even most people who chose to attend the event weren't armed at all, let alone with a semi-automatic weapon. MOST people chose not to be armed with a firearm at all.

MOST people were not shot at, and MOST people were not killed. And MOST people - including the people who WERE armed - chose not to shoot anyone.
You haven't a clue who was and who wasn't armed.

But we DO know that one of the people shot (Grosskreutz sp?) WAS armed with a "semi-automatic weapon... One he was carrying illegally...

He pointed the gun at Rittenhouse, but like Han Solo, Rittenhouse shot first... Strike Three...

Trayderjoe 11-12-2021 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2028585)
well....he was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest....he was there illegally carrying a weapon now he was again breaking the law by drinking in a bar (if his mother wants to give him a drink in the privacy of their home, that's different) to do so in public seems like a flaunting display of entitlement.

“Proud of Your Boy” a song written for the 1992 Disney film “Aladdin,” but not used until a 2011 stage adaptation, and is the source of the name of the far-right group self-described “western chauvinist” group the Proud Boys. Prosecutors said the song sung by members of the Proud Boys “as an anthem and for self-identification.”
You do mean at the riot? Or is throwing rocks, shooting fireworks and other incendiary devices at the police, spraying graffiti, lighting fires and chasing people still considered "peaceful protests"?

Eg_cruz 11-12-2021 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2028359)
Maybe someone told him there are blanks in the gun, so it's not his responsibility.

:shrug:
Good one

Trayderjoe 11-12-2021 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2028596)
Well - you can ask MOST people in this country. Since every single person in this country had the same options:

a) Show up in a town you don't know anything about, in a state you don't even live in, at while you are still a minor who isn't even eligible to join the armed forces, armed with a semi-automatic weapon that had previously been classified as an actual assault weapon, to an event where you know you will be expecting violence, which is why you are bringing your firearm, to "protect" or "defend" people who never asked you to show up at all.

Or

b) Stay home, or go to work, or go to school if it was on a school day, or go outside and toss a football with your pals, or go shopping, or "anything OTHER than the above paragraph."

Most people chose option b.

In fact, even most people who chose to attend the event weren't armed at all, let alone with a semi-automatic weapon. MOST people chose not to be armed with a firearm at all.

MOST people were not shot at, and MOST people were not killed. And MOST people - including the people who WERE armed - chose not to shoot anyone.
Oh boy, facts be dammed yet again.

Rittenhouse's father lives in the town. His friend lives there and he is frequently there.

There is no definition of an "assault weapon" because it doesn't actually exist, but is a term coined by the anti-gun lobby

Actually there is evidence presented at trial that he was there cleaning up graffiti, helped put out a fire and provided some first aid. Yes he admitted to lying about being an EMT, but he is also not charged with practicing medicine without a license or crossing the line in the type of first aid he provided.

I know this won't happen (yet again), where is your PROOF that no one asked him to come?

You mean the people who broke concrete blocks to toss rocks at the police? You mean like the people who shot fireworks and incendiary devices at the police? You mean like the prosecutor's witness who admitted he illegally carried a semi-automatic handgun and POINTED it at Rittenhouse BEFORE he was shot? You mean like the "adult" who used a skateboard as a weapon to attack Rittenhouse before he was shot?

About the ONLY thing I can find true was the very last statement: "MOST people were not shot at, and MOST people were not killed. And MOST people - including the people who WERE armed - chose not to shoot anyone". You do realize that a reporter with video tape showed that Rittenhouse passed by several groups of people and neither he or they interacted with each other? Could it be that they were not in the process of attacking him, so he saw no need to defend himself? Could it be that they were not threatened by him because he did not raise his weapon at them, merely walked past them?

No, we can't consider there facts because they don't fit the clearly inaccurate narrative that some insist on continuing.

Eg_cruz 11-12-2021 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2028596)
Well - you can ask MOST people in this country. Since every single person in this country had the same options:

a) Show up in a town you don't know anything about, in a state you don't even live in, at while you are still a minor who isn't even eligible to join the armed forces, armed with a semi-automatic weapon that had previously been classified as an actual assault weapon, to an event where you know you will be expecting violence, which is why you are bringing your firearm, to "protect" or "defend" people who never asked you to show up at all.

Or

b) Stay home, or go to work, or go to school if it was on a school day, or go outside and toss a football with your pals, or go shopping, or "anything OTHER than the above paragraph."

Most people chose option b.

In fact, even most people who chose to attend the event weren't armed at all, let alone with a semi-automatic weapon. MOST people chose not to be armed with a firearm at all.

MOST people were not shot at, and MOST people were not killed. And MOST people - including the people who WERE armed - chose not to shoot anyone.
You really need to go back and watch the trail, missing so much facts

manaboutown 11-12-2021 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2028194)
Some sources say that he drove himself and when he got home, his mom made him turn himself in, so I'll admit that whether she drove him there is unclear.

What is not unclear and was actually what was argued about yesterday, with the judge not allowing the proof, is this;

Kyle Rittenhouse Gave White Supremacist Hand Symbol, Drank With 'Proud Boys' at Bar: Affidavit


According to an affidavit filed by Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas C. Binge, Rittenhouse stayed at the pub for around 90 minutes wearing a T-shirt reading "free as f**k."

Immediately upon arriving at the bar, Rittenhouse posed for pictures while flashing the OK hand gesture—a previously innocuous symbol that has been co-opted by some on the far-right as a coded message to show support for white supremacy.

Rittenhouse drank three beers during the 90 minutes he was at Pudgy's Pub and "remained with these 'Proud Boys' for the entire time," the affidavit states.

Police were made aware that Rittenhouse was at the bar and obtained surveillance footage from the business to confirm his presence.


Definitely, a white supremacist thug.
Nonsense!

"The defense rested its case in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Thursday, after neither side presented any evidence of his “white supremacist” opinions or views, as the media and Democrats had initially claimed.

The prosecution in the case attempted to show that Rittenhouse had deliberately provoked the confrontations that led him to shoot several Black Lives Matter rioters, killing two and wounding one. But it never cited any racial bias by Rittenhouse — not even when Rittenhouse took the stand in his own defense, an extremely rare thing for a defendant to do in a murder case."

From: No Evidence of 'White Supremacist' Leanings Presented in Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

rmd2 11-12-2021 01:32 PM
Victim
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2028267)
Yeah that judge is having trouble speaking coherently. The "news articles" that quote him aren't quoting him in full. They're heavily editing what he actually was saying, so that their readers can make sense of it.

He forbade anyone calling the victims of the shooting - victims. In medical terms, that's what they were. Victims. They didn't die of old age. They were victims of fatal wounds from gunshots. Just like someone who dies from cancer is a victim of cancer. And someone who falls off a ladder is a victim of a broken neck. Someone who is killed in a car crash is a victim of massive internal injuries.

Victim is a 100%valid word to use for someone who is dead as a result of a gunshot. But the judge wants to minimize the "victimhood" of the victims by forbidding the word.

It was okay to call the victims rioters or looters, if it could be proven that they were. He actually pro-actively stated as such. But he pre-emptively forbade the word "victim." Even if it could be proven they were victims, they aren't allowed to call them that and when one witnessed used the word in his testimony the judge went ballistic.

(I was watching this on Fox News, at the time, in case anyone REALLY and SINCERELY gives a crap)

He is gaslighting a trial he presides over.
Sorry, if someone points a gun at me and I kill him, he is NOT a "victim".


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