I think we're talking 82nd Airborne, not the cops, at this point if the CHAZ rebels don't surrender and vacate

I think it's beyond the police's scope of expertice myself.
Steve

Let’s see? Northern and eastern California want to annex out of state and form there own state, eastern Oregon want to be annex into Utah. Washington so far left they should of reached japan by now.

Agreed. It's going to suck
....but
Screw it, I'm tired of this crap!
We need bigger guns
Steve

This is where a surgical strike needs to be performed.

Or, for those wanting to defund/abolish Police Departments, send in social workers.

Better idea, let's send in the people who want to abolish the police and let them handle the situation. Show us how it is done. Boy my old mind isn't thinking right, those folks have a physical ailment that won't allow them to do it, a big yellow streak down their back.

I’m happy they started a new country in Seattle. Now let New York and California be separate countries too with no voting rights in the USA and no welfare.

Hopefully they put an end to this very quickly without any negotiating other than to tell them to lay down their guns and come out or they will be taken away by force.

My biggest fear?
There is too much of a propensity to not rock the boat and those in authority will cave to demands to avoid any action that has potential violence.

I do hope to be proven wrong!

All law enforcement agencies in many cities (mostly lib....) have no respect from their government and consequently feel threatened every time they are called out. Who wants to be cursed, have rocks or bags of urine thrown at you all day long? Disrespect should have an immediate and forceful reaction. Yes there are bad cops but in most cases follow their instructions and sort it out later. JMHO.

As usual, we hear from certain folks about how military violence...is the only answer.

Given the fact that we spend more than about the next 7 countries on this planet COMBINED on our military, it's no surprise of course there are those...that would want to use their biggest toy.


Never mind that the root of the issue...is something else entirely. :oops:

"When you love and are infatuated with hammers...everything looks like a nail." :ohdear:

Allow residents and business owners to come out.

What an ignorant statement!

You are forgetting the millions in personal / business property that will be lost.

Every personal / business insurance policy has sections that describe

1. the insured's responsibility to protect their insured property

2. coverage during a riot or civil commotion.

And....

CHAZ is not Fallujah

I can guarantee that the war lords are building fortifications, picking high vantage points, occupying the sewers.

Without the ability to use actual assault weapons (M4) and snipers with real bullets, re-taking the city will result in real American casualties.

Take away all the media coverage....No one will give a poop

Wonder if these people will be willing to die for keeping control of their little empire. If so have no problem helping them.

If this is allowed to continue you can bet your ass this isn't the only area it will happen in. How can any Mayor or Governor allow this to happen or continue? Give them an ultimatum and stick to it then do what needs to be done period.

"Military violence"?
Nobody has proposed "military violence".

All that has to be done is to give any authority, National Guard, active duty military, State Police, local police, rules of engagement that are very simple.....when defending civilians at risk, their property or oneself, if a response become necessary ONLY respond in kind.
Then how could it possibly be misconstrued as violence?

And, the bickering begins.


BTW, my previous post was not intended to be a "personal insult". I was referring to the contents, not the poster. "Ignorant" may have been the wrong word, how about, unschooled, without knowledge, uninformed. How's that?

That video reminded me of a WWF match. Too funny!
Steve

The mayor has already defended the participants as conducting peaceful protesting. Hence validating their actions.

The chief of police and governor continue to be in la-la land.

The caving in to the demands of a mob appears to be inevitable.

Sorry to disagree with you on this situation.
 

IMHO the situation in Seattle has nothing to with improving racial relations or trying to resolve racial bias in order to achieve mutual respect and understanding. Instead, I see radical terrorist ideology using an army to take over a city. This is an act of war, not a protest.
One has to wonder what ties to other terrorist groups, like ISIS, Boko haram or others, they may have. Which groups, organizations have organized and funded this horror.
In this instance I do not believe that there is true desire for a peaceful dialogue on the part of the terrorists. Once they see how far they can go they will sue for peace, only to move on to new territory and start over again, with ever increasing violence and terror.
Like a blackmailer, once they get you to bend to their will, the demands and threats only increase.
This can not and will not end well, I am afraid. It's like a deadly cancer and the treatment will be painful and recovery will take a long time. And, like cancer we will have to be more vigilant in monitoring the patient and react immediately and decisively to any re-occurrence.
Again, this is not, imho, an attempt to promote racial unity and harmony. It can only be viewed as a tactic used to create discord and devide us during this trying time.

Wonder if we can get Al Sharpton to go in there and help out.

Its the resident's city but if it were mine I would not tolerate this behavior. This is no longer a protest but an armed insurrection. What those local leaders are doing is ignoring the rights of those people with in the area. I would say to the people in the autonomous zone. You have 2 hours to vacate or you will be arrested for unlawful assembly. You have the following choices: Leave peacefully and walk out, Be forcibly removed and carried out. Any one that raises a rifle to a law enforcement officer will be shot. This behavior is not acceptable in a law abiding society. NO more rubber bullets and tear gas. You want to play, let's play.

that would be like throwing gasoline on the situation

Mr. Teflon should be in jail for tax evasion

If someone pays him.

He certainly should be in prison

Don't forget the bobbing heads at CNN and MSNBC fueling the fire early from the beginning...

The way I see it, it's all getting a bit Woodstock Hippy Utopia on steroids, but with guns and lousy music!

A rancher named Bundy got the feds after him for grazing cattle in BFE.
Bundy standoff - Wikipedia

These guys take over a major portion of Seattle and law enforcement runs.

Must be that White Privilege thing I keep hearing about.

I just do not understand why this is allowed to continue.

To make some people happy!!!!

Anyone who wants to see this continue should not be tossed out on their rear IMHO.

It's not Seattle as a whole. It's not even a "major portion" of Seattle. It's 6 blocks, total. The rapper is not the warlord, there is no warlord. Antifa isn't running it, antifa doesn't want to run anything, because antifa means anti-fascist and anti-fascists are, by definition, against dictatorships.

Here's what appears to be a hybrid op-ed/dramatic documentary-style article about what's going on in CHAZ (the autonomous zone where this is taking place):

What’s Going On in CHAZ, the Seattle Autonomous Zone?

A political slanted account.
Right up front stating conservatives and the POTUS "...have a problem...".

Does that translate into the liberals and their politicians have no problem with what is going on?

If one is OK with it being in Seattle then it is OK if something similar were to happen on one or all of the town squares here in TV.
It would be OK if a similar group took over your village and you would have to submit to an ID check to get to your home.

BS! Set the :censored: politics aside. It is wrong.

I saw a movie like this once called Idiocracy.

I would call it a big load of crap.

Supplies they are "asking" for.
I say don't give them squat and let them suffer. All actions have consequences. Once they suffer enough there will be infighting and turning on each other. Most will beg for relief.
Steve

It is an indication of their mind set/thinking....or lack of it.

I vote no on any supplies being given. What other signal would anybody want to send these criminals.

Therein lies the real fear of Antifa...by certain folks. :ohdear:

We have too many retired LEO's and Military; that would not happen.