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Tmarkwald 02-18-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1903885)
Legitimate source???

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Spalumbos62 02-18-2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayeight99 (Post 1903774)
The seasonal flu occurs every year. They are all contagious. Where were the masks then? Terrible flu season 2017/2018. No masks. Same 2015 and 2009/2010. No masks. What do you think the real reason is? Aren’t we able to take care of ourselves without government mandating our every move? Use God given common sense in your life. Unfortunately, the Lemmings and Sheople weren’t blessed with such.


You make no sense and being rude isn't necessary! Please use your God given sense....2020 we have to wear masks...no flu...isn't that amazing. I know you think it's all about you...but its not.
Getting the shot gives you protection...wearing mask is prevention for others...ie; your grand children, your friends, your spouse...you know..the people you supposedly love.

RoadToad 02-18-2021 09:21 AM

Really ??
 
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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1903320)
unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

What about spittle particles ejected from their mouths as they speak?

You know, the little "spits" from english phonics.

Masking seems prudent to me.

RICH1 02-18-2021 09:26 AM

Well stated ! You are spot on and factually correct 100 percent! Thank you for posting this!

RICH1 02-18-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1903163)
These vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus. What they do is use you MRNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself in your body. The virus replicating is what makes you ill. The vaccine prevents you from getting seriously ill and dying. So you can still have the vaccine in your body and transmit it to others.

Since the point of wearing a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus, a mask is still necessary until everyone that wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated.

Those who refuse the vaccine are risking their lives so it's not the responsibility of every else to keep them safe once they've had the opportunity to get the shots.

You are spot on sir! Thank you for posting Facts !

Serendipatti 02-18-2021 09:34 AM

Because you still have a 5% or greater chance of still carrying and shedding the virus and passing it on to others who haven't been vaccinated or had the virus and have an immunity. The vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, it just stops you from getting sick and/or dying from it. You need to keep wearing it until everyone who wants one has been vaccinated or that there's proof of herd immunity.

DAVES 02-18-2021 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1903151)
I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

Re: covid 19
We are dealing with a new situation. The book is a new one being written now.
Answers are basically opinions. It is not big deal to wear a mask unless we choose to make it one. Far as being vaccinated and then not needing to wear a mask. First of all it is not proven that people who have had the vaccine cannot spread covid 19. Also,
would we find random stops to show your papers acceptable. Perhaps when you go to a store etc. It is just an easy solution to a messy problem.

Serendipatti 02-18-2021 09:39 AM

You're right, 2017-2018 was a horrible year for flu deaths in the US but the number was 61,000 in comparison to the almost 500,000 SO FAR in the US for Covid-19 deaths. NO comparison.

Rosebud1949 02-18-2021 10:23 AM

Typical
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1903775)
I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

This is the USA 2021 FOLKS READ IT AND WEEP. i WILL DO NOTHING FOR MY COUNTRY

golfing eagles 02-18-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Serendipatti (Post 1904060)
You're right, 2017-2018 was a horrible year for flu deaths in the US but the number was 61,000 in comparison to the almost 500,000 SO FAR in the US for Covid-19 deaths. NO comparison.

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

golfing eagles 02-18-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1904059)
Re: covid 19
We are dealing with a new situation. The book is a new one being written now.
Answers are basically opinions. It is not big deal to wear a mask unless we choose to make it one. Far as being vaccinated and then not needing to wear a mask. First of all it is not proven that people who have had the vaccine cannot spread covid 19. Also,
would we find random stops to show your papers acceptable.
Perhaps when you go to a store etc. It is just an easy solution to a messy problem.

As in Checkpoint Charlie?????? Maybe we can find some very old Gestapo officers hiding in Paraguay to man them, maybe some skinhead Nazis.. Heil!

Amazing how quickly some people want to give up their freedoms due paranoia

golfing eagles 02-18-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Serendipatti (Post 1904051)
Because you still have a 5% or greater chance of still carrying and shedding the virus and passing it on to others who haven't been vaccinated or had the virus and have an immunity. The vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, it just stops you from getting sick and/or dying from it. You need to keep wearing it until everyone who wants one has been vaccinated or that there's proof of herd immunity.

That line just keeps getting repeated and repeated on TOTV. I've challenged those that are repeating it to name a source---and guess what---zero, nada, zippo. What the article that they are distorting actually said is that it is unknown whether the vaccine prevents the nose and throat from harboring the virus, so more study is needed.. BIG DIFFERENCE THERE

allenpegg1@gmail.com 02-18-2021 11:02 AM

But why wear a mask if you're alone in a car ANYTIME - or if you're speaking to a bank teller behind a full glass partition thru a speaker?

golfing eagles 02-18-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by allenpegg1@gmail.com (Post 1904145)
But why wear a mask if you're alone in a car ANYTIME - or if you're speaking to a bank teller behind a full glass partition thru a speaker?

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

GPGuar 02-18-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1903847)
After vaccination, you can still carry the virus in you nasal passages to others. Masks must continue until a level of immunity is reached. She was wearing the mask to protect others.

Who the heck was she protecting if she's alone in her car with no one around her? At some point it just gets a little silly!:1rotfl:

mneumann02 02-18-2021 11:36 AM

Please Read Post #6.
 
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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1903320)
unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

I realize pointing out your statement is incorrect will do no good, but here goes anyway. Post #6 briefly explains the science behind wearing a mask. In addition, CDC, WHO and numerous other health organizations have documented cases of the virus being transmitted by talking, talking loudly and singing.

Joorn59 02-18-2021 11:41 AM

I believe I will wear a mask at the market and other enclosed places. I’ve not only not gotten COVID but also haven’t had any colds, the flu.

GPGuar 02-18-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904116)
Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

:bigbow:

stebooo 02-18-2021 12:35 PM

Don't forget your dog poops in my yard only once

graciegirl 02-18-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904116)
Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

What "financial incentive" are you speaking of and paid to who for what???

golfing eagles 02-18-2021 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1904215)
What "financial incentive" are you speaking of and paid to who for what???

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients

Byte1 02-18-2021 01:15 PM

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

Byte1 02-18-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie1950 (Post 1903963)
So if the sign on the door says shirt and shoes required to enter OR no receipts no returns, or any other store policy posted, am I under the impression YOU are King and can decide what store policy you think could possibly pertain to YOU?
Disorderly conduct is an arrest-able offense. Love to be a witness to that big shot.

I do not know of any store that displays the sign that enforces it. When I shop, I always see folks without masks, and they pay at the register without anyone commenting on their lack of mask. Sorry, but there will be less and less folks wearing a mask now that there is a vaccination, whether or not they get it. Personally, I do not make it my problem that they are not wearing a mask.

Byte1 02-18-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RoadToad (Post 1904037)
What about spittle particles ejected from their mouths as they speak?

You know, the little "spits" from english phonics.

Masking seems prudent to me.

Have you always worn a mask? If not, why? Give people some space if you fear their germs. I don't like folks in my face either, but I am not going to wear a mask unless a business requests it. And then, I may still consider it depending on whether or not I have one available. Once I have the vaccination, I will consider myself "safe." At least, until someone proves otherwise. If I believed otherwise, I would not have bothered with the shots.

Byte1 02-18-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1903961)
Yes, you will be wearing a mask in any place that mandates it. No one ever said the mask comes off once the shot goes in. Apples n oranges when you say why get the vaccine if you still need to wear a mask. One has nothing to do with another.

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1903151)
I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

That 'FRONTIER MENTALITY' is what got us (the US) in this dilemma in the 1st place. Your government started letting you down about this time (Feb) last year. You paid taxes, but were let down to the tune of about 150,000 deaths and similar hospitalizations and cases. Your taxpayer-funded CDC will tell you when the time to stop wearing masks and distancing and indoor activities should begin. Trust the SCIENCE!

You would NOT or should NOT leave a bomb shelter until you hear the ALL CLEAR signal. The VIRUS is mutating as we read this and may determine our behavior more the vaccine, which MAY (?) be wasted in people's bloodstream. We don't know - until we KNOW for sure!

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1903215)
What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.

That is neither humorous nor informative!

Kenswing 02-18-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904257)
That is neither humorous nor informative!

Kind of like 98% of your posts.. :1rotfl:

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1903775)
I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

Good logic as to why the frontier mentality needs to be left behind on old John Wayne movies. Not applicable to modern, REAL, interconnected social life.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1903858)
Great comment I agree wholeheartedly. The mask issue is lame if you are vaccinated immunity and otherwise healthy, those with health issues protect yourself but don’t expect the world to conform.

Conforming may require laws - like seat belt laws.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 1903867)
Unless you're wearing a sign on your chest that reads "I've had my vaccine"., I'll bet people give you a wide birth when they see that you aren't wearing a mask. I believe any business has a right to establish rules for the safety of their customers and wearing a mask during these turbulent times is for the protection of others. How about the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, would you take issue with that? Personally, I would feel a lot better if everyone wore a mask, at least it shows me they care about someone other than themselves.

There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1903968)
You can still contact the virus and pass it on to others. Then there’s the new variants of the virus about which little is known.

Please, please be considerate of others who may not have been vaccinated. You can get the virus and infect others like me and my wife. Our doctor tells us that with our medical situation infection will have serious results, possibly even a lethal outcome.

I hope that you and yours make it through this Pandemic - your posts are among the MOST thoughtful!

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyarwen3 (Post 1903974)
Why are we calling people names? I grew out of that in grade school

It became sanctioned by our behavior-modeling leaders about 5 years ago - I noticed!

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau (Post 1903992)
The purpose of the mask is primarily a social function for a start to your programming.
In the 1930’s the Japanese knew that one could not successfully invade America, too many home defenders.
The Chinese have said that America needs to be disarmed.
Disarming America when we stand together would be very difficult. Like the story of breaking one twig versus a bundle, divided we fall.
The mask is a symbol in your mind that you cannot trust the other person. This has an impact, don’t roll your eyes.
If you begin distrusting your neighbor and coworker then you will understand when someone rolls up and takes their property.
Maybe you go along with a rumor that they need reprogramming. Maybe you don’t trust them and you get in a dispute, so you turn them in.
The mask is about programming, not the pathogen.
Obey your new Chinese Overlords and wear that mask!

Incredibly strange logic - to twist mask-wearing into a Communist plot! I am in awe with the darkness of it.

graciegirl 02-18-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904273)
There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904116)
Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

Everybody knows that Australia studied why the Flu was about non-existent in their country. Their conclusion was that it was due to wearing masks against CV. Just Google it. It is the same for other countries.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904124)
That line just keeps getting repeated and repeated on TOTV. I've challenged those that are repeating it to name a source---and guess what---zero, nada, zippo. What the article that they are distorting actually said is that it is unknown whether the vaccine prevents the nose and throat from harboring the virus, so more study is needed.. BIG DIFFERENCE THERE

The US government is NOT giving vaccine shots away for just a whim. Phizer and Moderna studied it and submitted the results - which were YES, they do prevent hospitalizations and DEATH. Your death is prevented as society moves toward herd-immunity. You want that. What more do you expect - a lifetime supply of 9 irons in addition to a FREE ticket to LIFE.

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904152)
Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

Yes, and I despise all the "delusional" name calling!

jimjamuser 02-18-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stebooo (Post 1904213)
Don't forget your dog poops in my yard only once

I hope that that made sense to someone?

Aloha1 02-18-2021 03:12 PM

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.


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