Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1904322)

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904227)

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1904249)

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1904259)

Kind of like 98% of your posts.. :1rotfl:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904324)

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1904314)

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.

Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1904322)

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904324)

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904339)

Another day, another refute.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904328)

The proof of "not harming others" is NOT fully researched yet. I have heard research that says a fully vaccinated person can still spread it to others. More study is needed by everyone. You may WANT to believe something, but that does NOT make it true!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904326)

And it is "CLEAR" to me that the Hospital did the RIGHT / CORRECT thing to test for CV. I hope that they would since we are in a WORLDWIDE pandemic and people in the US are the #1 spreaders of the disease. A more infectious and deadly variant has taken hold all over the US, so only by testing can Scientists do contact tracing and mapping to stop it. It is a NEW world for DOCTORS after CV and MOST (?) will want to embrace all the knowledge and statistics that they can find and create. Why complain when Science moves on? Plus for the most cynical of reasons - hospitals do NOT want to be sued for misdiagnosing a patient that has CV symptoms. That would be bad for ALL Doctors' reputations. We would NOT want that? would we?

Originally Posted by Pillowtalk (Post 1903821)

I have a gentleman who lives in my neighborhood who was diagnosed with Covid and was in Sam’s Club three days after his diagnosis without a mask on. He refuses to wear a mask because it fogs his glasses. These are the type of people you have to worry about.....you are not really safe anywhere.
I will continue to wear a mask until it is safe for everyone (that want’s and is waiting for a vaccine). If people don’t want a vaccine that is their choice, but I will follow the science. These people that don’t care about other people are not only playing Russian Roulette with their lives but with innocents as well.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1904355)

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1903822)

Mortal1, you are mistaken. Droplets of moisture are expelled even when talking and breathing. Science my friend...science.

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1903834)

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1903860)

Once the vaccine is widely available and anyone can get it, we can remove the masks.

There is no reason at all to protect those who refuse to get the vaccine. That is a conscience decision to put their lives at risk.

The rest of humanity doesn't exist to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904334)

I AM connected directly to the BIG man/woman in the sky. Thank you for noticing!

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1903947)

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1903947)

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1904021)

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904116)

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904152)

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1904239)

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1904384)

Were those deaths listed as pneumonia if the person died with influenza?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1904390)

I'm going to paraphrase a scenario here but one poster made this excuse some time ago. See if you can understand her reasoning......

The poster said she had to pick up her 90 year old mother in the car to bring her to the doctor. She figured if she was asymptomatic for Covid, breathing in an enclosed car would have all those Covid viruses all over the place in the car. Then, her 90 year old mother was going to get into a car that had a bunch of Covid viruses floating around.

I understand, all she had to do was open all the windows in the car and all those virus particles would have flown out the windows and not had been a problem for her 90 year old Mom. But...........what if it was 95 degrees outside and her 90 year old Mom could not tolerate such high temperature without becoming ill. So, she had to keep the car windows closed as she drove to pick up her Mom. That is why she wore a mask in her car all by herself.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1904406)

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1904406)

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1904346)

Solution:
They have about perfected an instant COVID test that will be sold over the counter. If you want proof that I am safe, hand me one of those and I will gladly indulge you for a minute before advising you to mind your own business and to social distance somewhere else. I am an Independent and thus, need no gov nanny or little tattletalers interfering in my business. If that excites you, then I suggest retiring to your safe room with all your little stuffed animals. About the only reaction to someone that I do not know falling ill is "that's a shame." If I am not infected, then I have no need to satisfy some weak minded and dependent whiner's whims. You should assume that a person that is out and about is safe, not infected. There is no reason to believe that everyone you see is infected. If my rather blunt nature bothers you, then that is totally on you.

And a little side note to unnamed poster that insisted on using "what would Jesus do?" Jesus would not be wearing a mask. He would be healing the BELIEVERS. I might also mention that believers are quoted in the Bible as being able to handle poisonous serpents and drink poison and survive. Best not to attempt to use someone's beliefs to win at a discussion. No matter how you frame your response, you can be right or you can be wrong. We are expressing our opinions.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904424)

Superheroes that are super independent of all earthly social bounds, might consider living on a frontier in Alaska or Siberia. CV has clarified the idea that we are ALL dependent on each other AND our government We ALL need Science and medicine to help us to stay ALIVE. And we NEED help from our fellow man/woman. And we NEED to give help - like a simple thing like wearing a mask AND by modeling to others the wearing of masks. Those that dislike government involvement and "so-called" overreach are just begging that same government that MUST protect its citizens to step in and requires something (Mask-wearing and CDC guidelines), which is exactly what those same people DON'T want. Funny how that works!

Ask Not what the country can do for you - what can YOU do for the country in this trying pandemic? Wonder if John F. Kennedy would model mask-wearing?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1904353)

Works the other way around also. I believe what I know is true, therefore I will act according. If anyone has a problem with that, they can complain to someone that might give a ------------ (you can fill in the blank). Like I said, someone's theory does not make it true. I would rather go on years of testing, than some political medical expert's OPINION or guess. Just because he has no studies to prove his theory does not make someone else's experience and years of testing wrong.

My T shirt will say "VACCINATED, but still stay away from me." Not my fault if you violate my personal space and find out that you are right and I am wrong. It will all be on you. Consider it a "No Trespassing" sign.

Don't think that my kind and giving nature means that I am a door mat.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904354)

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904354)

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1904355)

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904356)

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1904364)

I agree with this POV. I refuse to protect an anti-vaxxer by having to wear a mask. It is their choice not to be vaccinated and at any given point in time that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants the vaccine, that is when my mask comes off for good.

To those who can not be vaccinated for a medical issue, I feel it is up to the individual at that point to protect themselves when out and about in public. That is when N95 masks should be used for protection of the wearer. Also, those who can not be vaccinated for medical issues should be responsible for themselves to keep their distance from others. If not going to crowded events, then that is what they must do to protect themselves.

Call me selfish if you feel I'm selfish. All I can say is I have adhered 100% to CDC guidelines ever since this pandemic began and I look forward to going through life without having to cover my face and socially distance from others. That time is not here yet but I will wait patiently to hear from our experts when that time is here.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904398)

They were listed as pneumonia if the person had pneumonia. People don't usually die directly from influenza (or COVID). They die from pneumonia, or sepsis, or CHF



It's a one off story. It doesn't explain the hundreds of people I've seen driving alone with a mask

Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1904406)

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904424)

Superheroes that are super independent of all earthly social bounds, might consider living on a frontier in Alaska or Siberia. CV has clarified the idea that we are ALL dependent on each other AND our government We ALL need Science and medicine to help us to stay ALIVE. And we NEED help from our fellow man/woman. And we NEED to give help - like a simple thing like wearing a mask AND by modeling to others the wearing of masks. Those that dislike government involvement and "so-called" overreach are just begging that same government that MUST protect its citizens to step in and requires something (Mask-wearing and CDC guidelines), which is exactly what those same people DON'T want. Funny how that works!

Ask Not what the country can do for you - what can YOU do for the country in this trying pandemic? Wonder if John F. Kennedy would model mask-wearing?

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1904429)

Yet our government is allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the southern border daily with no testing, contact tracing, or vaccinations and bringing in the deadly Brazilian variant you speak of.
They don't seem to be protecting its citizens very well.