Planning a trip for a five finger discount????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Just lazy, or they have no actual argument...

What, exactly, is fake?

That's an accurate accessment how a lot of people in California feel about living in California. They accept the homeless encampments, used needles on the sidewalks and streets, public urination and pooping stench. Open drug use, prositution, and high crime rates.

The incomes, taxes, and cost of living are all high. The congestion and rush hour traffic is horrible. No question about it, the weather is fantastic. There are nice areas where you can isolate yourself from the horrible things in California. But you know that you're living in a state which has been destroyed by the one party system there. Many people that live in California ignore the serious problems in California, and look the other way.

I don't get it. How does what they did going to prevent shoplifting? Shoplifters should be arrested and prosecuted.

legal theft limit
 

Heard on the news the number was $1,000.00 probably increased due to "inflation"

❄️ Like mine.😂

Cheap Christmas presents?

It's probably the delineation between felony and misdemeanor. I think you'd get arrested for less.

Like here let's say you go to Belk and stuff a bunch of costume jewelry down your pants and LP grabs you. Depending on the dollar value it's either felony or misdemeanor and while I don't recall the total its way less than $900 and you're getting booked. You also get a no trespass summons which I believe is good for three years.

I read that you can steal up to $950 of merchandise and if caught the charge is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. How ridiculous is that. Walgreens and other chains have closed a lot of their stores. I thought stealing is a crime, as well as one of the 10 Commandments.. THOU SHALL NOT STEAL ! Only in California would this be acceptable.

Place of birth. Visited 20 years ago. So sad city has homeless problem. Just like everything, hopefully they will figure out solution.

O....M....G!!!!! So I read the first 15 replies then stopped. Not one subsequent post challenged the validity of the original post, and not one offered a post to confirm post #1 was total BS! You all were told something you wanted to hear and ran with it.......Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

One of the greatest cities we visited in the 1980's. We walked from one end to another, rode the street cars, walked to China Town and back to the hotel at night. The Fisherman's Wharf was great to have a walk-a-way treat. We visited great bars and restaurants like Lord Jims, Henry's Africa and Lefty Odouls. Glad we saw it before it went down the toilet. Whoops, sorry, they don't use toilets, they use the sidewalk.

I am one of the thousands of people escaping California and lived very close to SF. I can attest that SF is an absolute ****hole! The elected officials continue to enact their liberal policies which promote homelessness, drug use and criminal activity. Last time I visited SF I literally had to step around sleeping homeless people and dodge human feces on the sidewalks. I’m not insensitive to the homelessness crisis in California but I have watched the problem increase exponentially. Same applies to all west coast states. The reason? We pay them to come here and do not allow law enforcement to enforce the laws of the people. Perfect recipe for the continued degeneration of the quality of life in California. One of many reasons why I bolted.

Feel free to visit, but you definitely don’t want to live there. Spend your money there. The government will just turn around and use it to buy syringes for drug addicts to shoot up under their supervision. Think I’m kidding? Look it up. That really happens.

I don't think Post No. 1 is BS. All it said was that you will not be arrested. Shoplifting less than $950 is a misdemeanor, but the news reports have said that the current police policy in San Francisco is to not make an arrest for a misdemeanor. So, what is BS about the post?

I am a born/raised in CA person, left there in 2014 for FL and will NEVER move back there. San Francisco was bad (not as bad as now) back in the early 2000's. A friend of mine lived and worked in the city, she was killed leaving the office at noon to go grab something for lunch. Like many other cities, I would even go by myself to thye city for a day on a weekend, LOVED the place, LOVED CA but I just can't even hardly visit. (haven't been in 3 years due to different situations here). Yes, I do have family there but planes do travel both directions.

Where are their parents?

My niece lives in SF and feels the same. She lives in her Google owned building, boards her Google owned bus and goes to her Google job where she gets 3 square meals and fresh air breaks to bicycle the compound. She still loves it there.

I don’t know the laws in SF to weigh in on the OP’s question. Sorry.

How many articles from mainstream papers( I think of them as liberal but giving them them benefit of the doubt) do you need to read before you snap out of your denial.

Several people who have lived there have confirmed the breakdown of law and order in CA.
Check this article out from 2018

Medical group cancels San Francisco convention due to homeless crisis - Curbed SF

Tough Love would be to take the drug addicts off the street and into a treatment program and incarcerate them if they refuse to stop camping in public areas.
It would be cheaper than the $60,000 tents.

Spending $60,000 on tents, San Francisco evinces government failure

Is there a city anywhere in the world where the quality of life has improved and the crime rate has gone down in the past few years? Maybe Wildwood, but only the Villages part.

I can't get past the Bloomberg paywall to read that link, but the survey in the other is suspect, being funded by the very business oriented Chamber of Commerce.

My point was that homelessness is a problem all over the US, it's just out in the open out west and people are trying to do something about it (maybe not very well). Just running people out of your town, so you can claim some sort of purity is not addressing the problem at all.

One of several reasons we no longer live in California
 

The police will not arrest shoplifters who steal items totaling less than $900. The security guards at the stores let the shoplifters walk in front of them and out the door carrying the stolen items.

Wallgreens is not renewing its leases in S.F. and is in the process of closing all stores in the City. Gangs of shoplifters run into their stores, sweep a shelf of items into a shopping bag and run out the door. The gangs then meet up with a buyer who pays them cash. The stolen items then go to flea markets or are listed on eBay.

We lived in S.F. for several years. They were the best years of our lives. We left for the Central Valley because of housing prices and a growing family. We stopped visiting the City several years ago because of the homeless, the panhandlers, and the general deterioration. Finally, we left California for all these reasons together with the property and income taxes.

Nice to see Bay Kid concerned about the City by the Bay.

Take a Look at the City by the Bay- San Francisco

Ok, then show me the survey that says local citizens overwhelmingly love the place. Provide the links that says that all this stuff is made up and San Francisco doesn't have a poop app.

'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets

The Amount of Poop on San Francisco'''s Streets Has Hit an All-Time High

I am always willing to change my opinion. It only requires a reasoned and sourced explanation.

And not one post to challenge the validity of the OP...

Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

Here, does this satisfy you?

California’s Shoplifting Laws - What You Need to Know

That explains the law. But, in San Francisco, the police "may" issue a citation for a misdemeanor shoplifting, but they do not make an arrest. So, the OP's initial post is entirely valid.

"no consequence shoplifting"---figures

I will not comment on this thread, since I gave up on SF after the murder of Kate Steinle

They all have what they wanted and deserve now.

According to Fox News yesterday, you can now shoplift up to $950 in broad daylight without recourse. The police will not respond to any robbery at that amount or under and, even those who are arrested face no bail. One can only imagine what would happen to a store owner or manager who took it upon himself to confront a perp with a shotgun, a bat, a lead pipe or even his fists. Californians are pure nuts to put up with this insanity.

Wow! What's the weather gone be tomorrow, oh seer?

Excuse me? No politics involved here, unless you think discussing a social issue is. If so, not my problem.

A .45 is a whole lot bigger than a .357...
:ohdear::ohdear:

The kids don't know who their parents are...
:ohdear::ohdear:

Crime Pays
 

It appears you can shoplift anywhere now in the USA, and get away with it. It's part of the "Great Reset". Sad, but true.

Annnddd yet here you are on post #53.. LOL you're the one full of BS you troll.
:1rotfl::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Not just San Francisco
 

I live in San Diego. It's now like that in all the major cities of California. Steal up to $950 in merchandise and no arrests or prosecutions. The results are starting to come in. Stores like Walgreens are closing, mostly in the inner cities and poorer neighborhoods. Retailers are going more and more toward online shopping.

While police look the other way, it's not clear why private security also refuse to 'detain' the thieves. If I owned a store, I'd hire a security team to take back the stolen merchandise. If that resulted in an escalation to violence, then the police could be called in. Don't know if anyone has tried walking out of a Costco without paying -- they check the receipts at the exit door. I wonder how they would handle a thief.

You get what you deserve. They voted for that, they got it. That's what they want. Stop complaining. president Eggplant supports it... :bigbow:

Couldn't agree more.

Let SF, LA, SF, Chicago etc etc suffer from their own stupid voting patterns.

the rest of us just laugh

The sad part about all of this, is that IMHO most Americans have felt that the people we elect to govern us are smarter, wiser, more responsible, and have a genuine desire to serve "us". My mother used to tell me "too bad we can't vote for the best candidate, these days we have to vote for the least worst". Maybe in the past politicians were honorable people, but these days politicians are a bunch of self serving, money thieving, power hungry leeches regardless of party affiliation. They are all millionaires and live apart from us "peasants".

No Longer a Good City
 

I visited and stayed in San Francisco over many years and it was one of the favorite cities. No longer. There is an under belly that a number do know about. I was staying with some friends just outside the city near Sanford and one of the maids was going into the city and asked if I would like to go with her for the ride. I said sure. We went into the Mission District and she purchased for $50 each a drivers license, green card, and SS card for her brother who was coming to the US from South America. It was interesting that I had the opportunity to witness this first hand and gained some understanding how the US is being abused. This was a few years ago. Fisherman's Wharf was a great place for snacks on fish, or Giadarilli Square for ice cream or candy bars. Some interesting facts are the Trans America pointed building is built with huge springs on each corner to protect against earthquakes. The Bart Transit line is build on small stones in the bay to allow it to shift a few feet in a earthquake, there are or were huge sand boxes at the stations to catch any cars that did not stop because the wire on the tracks that controls stops may have rusted.:ho:

I am an ex New Yorker. People are happy and miserable everywhere. Truth, my reality had you asked me just a few years ago I would have honestly told you I would never move to Florida and never to a planed community. Here we are happy in the villages, a created disney land for old people. Hum who is that old guy looking back at me in my mirror.

That concept of a better section a common thought. HUH do criminals not walk, run, ride bikes, drive. yet, another irrational thought.