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Rosebud1949 07-03-2020 10:17 AM

No masks no service. SAFE FOR ALL..... Wear a mask in public, save your life, BEFORE someone wearing a mask has to saves yours.. Think about it

NavyVet 07-03-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1796627)
Take a look when you are in a store that requires a mask. Either wearing below their nose, by their chin, and those who have them under their chin.

Right up there with all the young morons who wear their pants below their butts. Ridiculous!

theruizs 07-03-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1796635)
Private places can set their own requirements. Mask phobic people can go somewhere else, except people who actually have physical difficulty wearing one.

Barnes & Noble is not a private place. It may be privately owned but it is open to the public. So if the county or state decides to require masks in public, that will include Barnes & Nobel.

retiredguy123 07-03-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by arbajeda (Post 1796715)
Did you ask to speak with the manager? Then ask why people without masks were permitted to enter when signage said masks were required?

Sorry, no, but I should have. Next time I will.

retiredguy123 07-03-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1797026)
Nobody wants the job of following people around the store to enforce mask wearing. If you watch any of the social media videos of people who start pushing workers or throwing all of the food out of their baskets onto the floor while screaming FU and spitting at the employees who are just trying to do their jobs, it's like putting your life at risk. No one should be told to wear a mask, they should just wear the darn thing! Stupid not to.

Ii think you would be surprised. Some wouldn't, but a lot of employees wouldn't mind at all.

NoMoSno 07-03-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1797047)
Barnes & Noble is not a private place. It may be privately owned but it is open to the public. So if the county or state decides to require masks in public, that will include Barnes & Nobel.

All stores are privately owned and have the right to refuse service for any reason, whether they are open to the public or not.

Byte1 07-03-2020 12:31 PM

Wear a mask or don't wear a mask, I don't care. I would like to see folks that KNOW they have a cold or some other illness wear a mask, but I also know that this is a free country. Unless they declare Marshal Law, I don't know if anyone has the right to mandate a mask. I go into stores all the time that have signs outside asking everyone to wear masks. Half the folks wear them and half do not. Mostly young are the ones that do not, but I've seen plenty of older ones also. Personally, the only reason I wear one is for my spouse. I hope that the little prevention I do might help her avoid illness. I was wearing gloves also, as well as eye protection, when it first started. Now, I only wear an old cloth mask so that I might not inhale someone else's disease. Not that I am confident that it even works, but something is better than nothing.
I am not saying that if you feel the need to wear a mask that you shouldn't. I am only saying that we live in a free country and no one should be intimidated into doing something solely to make others "feel" more secure. It should be done willingly, not mandated. Will you all still wear masks after a vaccine is invented? You don't wear one for the flu and a new flu comes out every year. And people die from the flu also.
This is just my opinion, not a declaration. My opinion is also that the country is seeing a major case of Mass Hysteria.
If you do not like to see people in public that are not wearing masks, then use your Constitutional Right to Freedom and do not go out in public.

The answer to the question: Should stores require masks?
Require - NO! Request - sure.

Pamelah 07-03-2020 12:34 PM

Several days ago on TOTV there were many suggestions offered on locations that would do fingerprinting for carrying a concealed weapon. Then in the past 3 days there’s been coverage of ordinary (?) citizens pointing guns at others in a neighborhood and Then in a parking lot. Who wants to go up to a patron at Barnes and Noble and ask where their mask is? You may be taking your life in your hands!! No thanks. (In New England however I wouldn’t hesitate To ask.)

Byte1 07-03-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1797103)
All stores are privately owned and have the right to refuse service for any reason, whether they are open to the public or not.

That is partially true. A private business open to the public cannot refuse service to anyone unless they are protected by laws enforced by the health Dept. I don't think that masks are covered under a law requiring customers to wear footwear, shirts and pants. I may be mistaken, but masks are a new item and will not be permanently suggested so it may not be enforceable attire required. That may be the reason that businesses have not been enforcing their mask requests?

Velvet 07-03-2020 01:05 PM

You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.

retiredguy123 07-03-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797147)
You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.

Well, I definitely wouldn't want to be naked in the wilderness.

bpascani 07-03-2020 01:33 PM

Fresh Market has that sign and it seems everyone I see going in or coming out have on masks. It's disrespectful people that break the rules, which is really sad. Store clerks making minimum wage (or near) shouldn't have to police these people. They would probably ignore completely, or be extremely rude to the employee anyway.

Byte1 07-03-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797147)
You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.

Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

Byte1 07-03-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bpascani (Post 1797159)
Fresh Market has that sign and it seems everyone I see going in or coming out have on masks. It's disrespectful people that break the rules, which is really sad. Store clerks making minimum wage (or near) shouldn't have to police these people. They would probably ignore completely, or be extremely rude to the employee anyway.

I've been in Fresh Market several times where at least one or two won't wear a mask. In my opinion, if there is a sign requesting that you wear a mask, then wear a mask or don't go in. It is a free country, so it is FREE for you to just walk away if you do not like their request. For some, they just get off being rebellious and it does not seem to be restricted to any certain age group.
Like I said, I do not believe in mandatory laws for wearing a mask, but if a store requests that you wear one, don't go inside unless you agree to wear a mask. Period.

Tweety Bird 07-03-2020 01:47 PM

When I see you walking past me with no mask in a store, I absolutely dislike you for not respecting ME! It’s not about freedoms or rights, it’s about safety. If you don’t believe in a mask at this vulnerable time, then you are ignorant and without care about how others feel. Just WEAR the mask you germ ridden parasite!

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 01:49 PM

If a store has a sign requesting that people wear masks I won't go inside. Interestingly, when I walked up to a store, saw the sign and started to walk away, an employee waved me on into the store. There were others inside not wearing masks.

Who is safer? A symptomatic person wearing a mask or an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask? Would you rather pick up a can of green beans that a symptomatic (sick) mask wearer had touched or would you rather pick up the can that an asymptomatic (not sick) non wearing mask person had touched?

Byte1 07-03-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweety Bird (Post 1797168)
When I see you walking past me with no mask in a store, I absolutely dislike you for not respecting ME! It’s not about freedoms or rights, it’s about safety. If you don’t believe in a mask at this vulnerable time, then you are ignorant and without care about how others feel. Just WEAR the mask you germ ridden parasite!

I wonder how many people are worried about whether or not someone they do not know, likes them. If one is really as concerned as they say they are, I am sure they wear goggles for their eyes which are VERY prone to germ infestation, and I am sure they wear gloves and long sleeved shirts, as well as a hat.
Like I said, I wear protective(?) gear only to protect my spouse. If others worry about being infected, then they are not taking the proper precaution by staying at home where they think they are safe. Wear a mask if you wish or don't. I don't care. If the placebo effect works for you, then go for it.
What one person feels is a safety measure may not stand up to the scrutiny of what others feel is adequate protection.
Ain't Mass Hysteria interesting?

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 01:55 PM

Which is safer: A room filled with 150 people uninfected non mask wearing people or a room filled with 150 mask wearing infected people all standing 3 feet apart?

Velvet 07-03-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797165)
Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

So being obscene is worse than possibly causing a person’s death? Sorry, I don’t get it.

ts12755 07-03-2020 02:16 PM

They are going out of business and just want to sell anything they can before they close the doors. Generic masks and cloth masks won't stop the virus the particles are too tiny.

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797181)
So being obscene is worse than possibly causing a person’s death? Sorry, I don’t get it.

If the mask you are wearing and the way you are wearing it basically provides little to no protection for yourself or to others, should you be held accountable for that?

Should stores be doing a mask check to insure that all masks meet stringent safety requirements?

Joelack99 07-03-2020 02:19 PM

Actually they are entitled to infect themselves but not free to infect anyone else. That’s why masks should be required everywhere. Stores absolutely have the right to require certain dress, including masks. Your freedom is to shop elsewhere if that offends you just as I absolutely will shop elsewhere if people are endangering my health. But why should it? This is not a political issue in any way.

billethkid 07-03-2020 02:20 PM

If the numbers in FL keep climbing Desantis will have to declare masks REQUIRED.....that will be when he thinks his political risk is to that point.
It is very unfortionate this whole issue has become politicized, hence avoiding doing what is right for the welfare of the residents of FL.

Velvet 07-03-2020 02:20 PM

Any face covering helps, other than a screen, to stop your droplets from others. I really think people just don’t like to smell their own bad breath, one could wear a face shield if they cannot wear a mask.

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 02:23 PM

Common sense tells us that a person who is not infected with the Coronavirus can not spread the virus to anyone else.

A symptomatic infected person can spread the virus whether they are wearing a mask or not.

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797196)
Any face covering helps, other than a screen, to stop your droplets from others. I really think people just don’t like to smell their own bad breath, one could wear a face shield if they cannot wear a mask.

No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1797195)
If the numbers in FL keep climbing Desantis will have to declare masks REQUIRED.....that will be when he thinks his political risk is to that point.
It is very unfortionate this whole issue has become politicized, hence avoiding doing what is right for the welfare of the residents of FL.

If the numbers in FL are increasing but the number of hospitalizations/deaths are not really all that alarming why would Desantis order us to wear masks?

The numbers are increasing not because people are dropping like flies, it's because testing has become more widely available and those that would not have met the requirements for testing (asymptomatic/very mild) are now being tested. As those numbers go up, the rate of death/hospitalization goes down.

The virus has been out there all along, we're just learning more about the rate of infection now.

Velvet 07-03-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797202)
No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

You are right about it is my responsibility to protect myself. That is one reason why I have been asking for N95 masks for the vulnerable. I really don’t like to force everyone to do something as they do in socialist countries. I guess that is why here we try persuasion and hope that common human decency is enough. But where are those N95 masks?

donassaid 07-03-2020 02:51 PM

I choose not to wear a mask because it is useless against a virus. If you don't believe that, try sneezing thru one and see if your hand gets wet. If you are sick, don't go out. If not don't wear a mask. All you are doing is breathing in your own carbon dioxide and damaging your immune system which makes you even more susceptible to catching the virus. But people are sooo gullible so those of you who wear a mask, knock yourself out.

Gulfcoast 07-03-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797207)
You are right about it is my responsibility to protect myself. That is one reason why I have been asking for N95 masks for the vulnerable. I really don’t like to force everyone to do something as they do in socialist countries. I guess that is why here we try persuasion and hope that common human decency is enough. But where are those N95 masks?

I would be fine with making quality masks available to the more vulnerable. I do not think that it is realistic to think that others can make being in crowded venues safe for them. Even if you gave everyone N95 masks, some would not wear them, some would improperly wear them, some would improperly care for them, some would wear damaged/torn masks....

Bottom line is, if you are highly susceptible to severe complications from respiratory viruses, you probably should be avoiding crowded venues, restaurants, gyms if the risks of becoming sick are not worth it to you. Some in the high risk category might make different decisions than you do and that is their choice to make.

Professor 07-03-2020 03:02 PM

Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

billethkid 07-03-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1797220)
Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

Political contrarianism.

Byte1 07-04-2020 08:58 AM

Talk about "selfish." The same ones on here that are telling everyone that they are selfish for not wearing a mask are the same ones that look the other way or even encourage bad behavior like protesting and rioting by the hundreds/thousands. Those folks do not NEED to be doing that during a pandemic, yet you all encourage them. You are more worried about yourself and how someone not wearing a mask into Fresh Market is going to infect YOU. I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the large increase is due in part because of the mass groups of protesters in the streets, in EVERY state. Protesting for a scumbag criminal that died because of his own stupidity. Suicide by Cop.
So, don't come on here complaining about someone that has never been sick in their lives not wearing a piece of cloth over their face. Wear one if you wish, but you have no authority to demand that others conform to your standards so that you can feel safe. Sorry, but if you are out and about and get sick, that's all on you.

theruizs 07-04-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797537)
Talk about "selfish." The same ones on here that are telling everyone that they are selfish for not wearing a mask are the same ones that look the other way or even encourage bad behavior like protesting and rioting by the hundreds/thousands. Those folks do not NEED to be doing that during a pandemic, yet you all encourage them. You are more worried about yourself and how someone not wearing a mask into Fresh Market is going to infect YOU. I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the large increase is due in part because of the mass groups of protesters in the streets, in EVERY state. Protesting for a scumbag criminal that died because of his own stupidity. Suicide by Cop.
So, don't come on here complaining about someone that has never been sick in their lives not wearing a piece of cloth over their face. Wear one if you wish, but you have no authority to demand that others conform to your standards so that you can feel safe. Sorry, but if you are out and about and get sick, that's all on you.

The mask is not to protect you from getting sick, it is to protect others from you making them sick. You may not be sick yourself, but that doesn’t mean you are not carrying and spreading the virus. Anyone who wants to take the time to do the research can figure that out. If you cannot trouble yourself to wear the mask to protect others, then yes, it is a selfish me-first act. I am sure you will come up with all kinds of ways to justify your actions or non-actions, that’s fine. But it doesn’t change the truth. Expecting others to just stay home so you don’t have to wear a mask or feel guilty about it is just another me-first attitude.

Byte1 07-04-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1797220)
Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

Self-Preservation.
Socialists also feel that anyone that does not give their hard earned money to the lazy is selfish. Selfish to one may not be the same to others. I have found that many that accuse others of being selfish are stingy with charity and yet feel it is perfectly fine and warranted for the gov. to confiscate earnings to give to anyone that has less, regardless of work ethic.

Some of us feel it is selfish for others to dictate how we dispense our charity. If folks feel vulnerable when they are in public, it is not someone else's responsiblity to make them feel safe. Stay home if you do not like how others behave lawfully in public.

Byte1 07-04-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1797551)
The mask is not to protect you from getting sick, it is to protect others from you making them sick. You may not be sick yourself, but that doesn’t mean you are not carrying and spreading the virus. Anyone who wants to take the time to do the research can figure that out. If you cannot trouble yourself to wear the mask to protect others, then yes, it is a selfish me-first act. I am sure you will come up with all kinds of ways to justify your actions or non-actions, that’s fine. But it doesn’t change the truth. Expecting others to just stay home so you don’t have to wear a mask or feel guilty about it is just another me-first attitude.

Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

Rapscallion St Croix 07-04-2020 11:55 AM

I am traveling in a state that requires masks. Stores have signs announcing the state mandate. No enforcement.

Velvet 07-04-2020 12:31 PM

And of course you see what is happening in the US with Covid cases as a result of the “not my responsibility” attitude. Well, at least we will have lots of blood plasma to help everyone else.

theruizs 07-04-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797661)
Self-Preservation.
Socialists also feel that anyone that does not give their hard earned money to the lazy is selfish. Selfish to one may not be the same to others. I have found that many that accuse others of being selfish are stingy with charity and yet feel it is perfectly fine and warranted for the gov. to confiscate earnings to give to anyone that has less, regardless of work ethic.

Some of us feel it is selfish for others to dictate how we dispense our charity. If folks feel vulnerable when they are in public, it is not someone else's responsiblity to make them feel safe. Stay home if you do not like how others behave lawfully in public.

Really reaching for justication here.

Velvet 07-04-2020 01:39 PM

Sort of like saying, “So if you don’t want to get shot by the bullets from my gun, stay inside”. These Covid balls are tiny bullets.


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