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Gulfcoast 07-04-2020 01:47 PM

After sitting back and watching masked "protesters" relentlessly destroy his state day after day after day and doing nothing to stop them, the Minnesota Governor now wants the Federal Government (that means the taxpayers) to fork over money and help them to rebuild. Talk about the height of selfishness.

Byte1 07-04-2020 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797708)
Sort of like saying, “So if you don’t want to get shot by the bullets from my gun, stay inside”. These Covid balls are tiny bullets.

No, actually it like saying "so if you don't want to get shot by the bullets in my gun, DON'T walk in front of me while I am at the shooting range." I don't have "tiny bullets of COVID19" so you don't have to worry. Worry less by staying six feet away from me. Then you won't have to worry about whether or not I am wearing a mask. Although, it's more likely that I will be wearing a home made cloth mask to appease the weak when I am out and about, shopping.

Byte1 07-04-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1797685)
And of course you see what is happening in the US with Covid cases as a result of the “not my responsibility” attitude. Well, at least we will have lots of blood plasma to help everyone else.

Yes, I see less fatalities than before. There has not been a dozen fatalities in the Sumter Co. portion of the Villages since it started. And it is supposed to be attacking the old, right? Guess what? I see folks every day playing golf that do not seem to be disturbed. Guess we are just lucky, right? There is more free testing now and the ratio of deaths is getting smaller and smaller to the amount of supposed infected. Like I said before, Mass Hysteria is great, isn't it?

Velvet 07-04-2020 05:10 PM

TV has shown a lot of discretion towards this virus. And I am proud of it. My aunt is in long term care nearby and there were zero Covid cases at her home. They closed the home to visitors when this novel virus was identified in China in February as a precaution. Up north, almost 80% of all deaths were in long term type places. Unbelievable difference.

davem4616 07-04-2020 05:45 PM

they are totally enforcing it in California....so what makes FL different?

davem4616 07-04-2020 05:48 PM

this has just turned into another...is the mask working or does it not make a difference debate

if a store asks you to have a mask on before coming in....just do it

If I was the manager...I'd stand at the locked door and if you didn't have a mask...I wouldn't open the door
...because I'd actually care more about my employees than you

NoMoSno 07-04-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1797825)
they are totally enforcing it in California....so what makes FL different?

...and positive cases are spiking in CA also...

Velvet 07-04-2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1797876)
...and positive cases are spiking in CA also...

Yes, they started masks too late... but it may still do some good.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1796459)
They try to keep their patrons safe but you can't fix stupid and they have no desire to get into arguments or maybe a legal confrontation.......just avoid those that won't play nice.

Sorry, the rule, made by the store, needs to be enforced. Every time I go into Costco, every single person is wearing a mask. Costco mandates masks and enforces that rule. If you do not want to wear a mask, go elsewhere.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1796535)
If masks were required and enforced, I believe more people would be going out to stores. I know I would.

This is a sentiment I have said several times in different threads. More enforcement of mask wearing would be good for our economy. I wish these mask deniers would open their eyes and see the big picture. That includes our leaders!!!

Gulfcoast 07-04-2020 08:27 PM

I just feel as the though the masks offer minimal benefit while providing a convenient cover to those with nefarious intentions. The mask wearing does not make me feel safer at all.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardarlowe (Post 1796739)
In today's world, the last thing a business owner has time for is policing a mask policy. He's probably more concerned about paying this month's rent and providing for his family.

Then hire a big guy, put him in a suit of armor and his job is to ENFORCE the rule to wear a mask. If anyone refuses to wear a mask the proper way, show them the door.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 1796772)
Cal's requires masks and to wait outside for your appointment. there is a sign on the door stating that and has been up since early June

A couple of weeks ago, Cal's in LSL allowed waiting inside as long as there was plenty of space to social distance. Masks are not required for customers although all employees wore masks or face shields. I would never consider going maskless when that close to someone. I have respect for my beautician. She thanked me for wearing a mask.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 1796777)
Until the Governor mandates people wearing masks in public, the word “requested” is used. Florida is well beyond requesting that masks be worn. They should be MANDATED. Anyone refusing to wear one should be denied entry.

I would like to "THANK" this post 100 times.

Gulfcoast 07-04-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1797897)
Then hire a big guy, put him in a suit of armor and his job is to ENFORCE the rule to wear a mask. If anyone refuses to wear a mask the proper way, show them the door.

Is the guy supposed to check the masks for quality and is he also supposed to bust the people who are not wearing them properly? If I've got a cart full of groceries and the ear strap on my mask suddenly snaps and I can't wear my mask anymore, should I continue on to the checkout or should I immediately leave the store before Bruno tackles me and shoves me out?

There is just way too much vagueness out there and I don't think that businesses should be responsible for policing that nonsense. There is no completely safe, risk free way for an immune compromised person to be in a crowded venue. That is why it's important for the high risk people weigh the risk/rewards for themselves.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1796849)
A business cannot require you to wear a mask only their employees. That being said they can refuse to serve you and ask you to leave.

Costco requires masks. No one is admitted without a mask. Every time I have been in Costco, everyone has worn their mask properly.

tophcfa 07-04-2020 09:00 PM

Masket or casket, I choose the mask.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1796981)
Even if they do not care about others — or themselves — why can’t the Anti-Maskers figure out that they are culpable in the impending total destruction of the bricks-and-mortar economy.

Even though I wear a mask, I am limiting going into stores because I do not want to deal with the Anti-Maskers.

When we have nothing left but a gaping maw of empty retail space, we will know what finally did it.

Bricks-and-mortar retail has been teetering on the brink for years, but the Anti-Maskers are nailing the coffin shut.

Btw, if you are an Anti-Masker and you have an investment portfolio that includes REITs, it is quite possible that you own a piece of that commercial retail property that could soon be empty — and could stay that way. Geez. Look around. Get a clue.

Cassandra Boomer

THANKS 100 times!!!!!!!!!

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797165)
Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

But it just may kill someone!!!

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797170)
If a store has a sign requesting that people wear masks I won't go inside. Interestingly, when I walked up to a store, saw the sign and started to walk away, an employee waved me on into the store. There were others inside not wearing masks.

Who is safer? A symptomatic person wearing a mask or an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask? Would you rather pick up a can of green beans that a symptomatic (sick) mask wearer had touched or would you rather pick up the can that an asymptomatic (not sick) non wearing mask person had touched?

An asymptomtic person can be just as contagious as a symptomatic person. The mask wearing symptomatic person is safer to be around than the asymptomatic person not wearing a mask.

Schneil 07-04-2020 09:35 PM

BMW: Back up, MASK UP, Wash up!!!
NO Mask No service!!!

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797176)
Which is safer: A room filled with 150 people uninfected non mask wearing people or a room filled with 150 mask wearing infected people all standing 3 feet apart?

Is this a trick question? Of course, the room with UNINFECTED people is safer. Anyone who is NOT infected is safe.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797198)
Common sense tells us that a person who is not infected with the Coronavirus can not spread the virus to anyone else.

A symptomatic infected person can spread the virus whether they are wearing a mask or not
.

When a symptomatic person wears a mask, the chance of infecting someone else is significantly less than if they did not wear a mask. The mask blocks the droplets that contain the virus.

Asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people are infected and can transmit the virus to others. This is the reason for everyone to cover their faces in public when social distancing is not guaranteed.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797202)
No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

Home made masks block the droplets that contain the virus. I always do this check with every mask I wear. Every one of my masks has passed this test.Take a look at this.......

YouTube

coffeebean 07-04-2020 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1797215)
I choose not to wear a mask because it is useless against a virus. If you don't believe that, try sneezing thru one and see if your hand gets wet. If you are sick, don't go out. If not don't wear a mask. All you are doing is breathing in your own carbon dioxide and damaging your immune system which makes you even more susceptible to catching the virus. But people are sooo gullible so those of you who wear a mask, knock yourself out.

You can't be serious! Check out the video I just posted. I have checked all my cloth masks by spritzing water onto the fabric in front of a mirror, using at least 3 spritzes. NOT ONE DROP OF WATER LANDS ON THE MIRROR. A mask will certainly block droplets from a sneeze or ten.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797669)
Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

You are missing the point of what is being asked of us by the experts. We Americans need to wear masks to slow the spread of the virus. Slowing the spread of this virus will help our economy recover. It is really a simple concept.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797905)
Is the guy supposed to check the masks for quality and is he also supposed to bust the people who are not wearing them properly? If I've got a cart full of groceries and the ear strap on my mask suddenly snaps and I can't wear my mask anymore, should I continue on to the checkout or should I immediately leave the store before Bruno tackles me and shoves me out?

There is just way too much vagueness out there and I don't think that businesses should be responsible for policing that nonsense. There is no completely safe, risk free way for an immune compromised person to be in a crowded venue. That is why it's important for the high risk people weigh the risk/rewards for themselves.

One layer of paper towel blocks droplets so cloth does a great job of blocking droplets. I've checked using a water spritzer and gave those Bounty paper towels a really good dose of water. I have also checked every cloth mask I have purchased and every one has passed that test with flying colors. As for making sure people wear their masks properly.....that shouldn't be difficult to do at all.

Gulfcoast 07-04-2020 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1797929)
An asymptomtic person can be just as contagious as a symptomatic person. The mask wearing symptomatic person is safer to be around than the asymptomatic person not wearing a mask.

A symptomatic person with a mask on can still spread the virus to you. It's a fallacy to think that those masks are 100% protective because they are not. They offer minimal protection and a false sense of security.

coffeebean 07-04-2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797941)
A symptomatic person with a mask on can still spread the virus to you. It's a fallacy to think that those masks are 100% protective because they are not. They offer minimal protection and a false sense of security.

Protection is more than minimal when everyone wears a mask. Have you heard about the two hair dressers who tested positive and worked on 140 customers? All customers and the two hair dressers wore masks and NONE of the customers tested positive. Those are pretty good odds IMHO.

Gulfcoast 07-05-2020 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1797942)
Protection is more than minimal when everyone wears a mask. Have you heard about the two hair dressers who tested positive and worked on 140 customers? All customers and the two hair dressers wore masks and NONE of the customers tested positive. Those are pretty good odds IMHO.

The hairdressers were probably asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic when they worked on the customers.

Had they been coughing/hacking into their homemade masks they likely would have spread the virus.

coffeebean 07-05-2020 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1797945)
The hairdressers were probably asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic when they worked on the customers.

Had they been coughing/hacking into their homemade masks they likely would have spread the virus.

Had the hairdressers been coughing /hacking into their homemade masks, they would not have been working on customers. What customer would sit so close to someone who was coughing and hacking? Certainly not me.

One of the main problems and reason for the spread of this virus is the existence of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic carriers. They are the reason why we can not get a handle on the spread of the virus. The only way, besides an effective vaccine, to get the spread of this virus to slow down is to wear masks and social distance. Why is it so difficult to follow the science and listen the pleading of our experts. Our surgeon general has put out a desperate plea to Americans to wear masks. Americans are showing the world that we are spoiled and don't want to be told what to do and I'm embarrassed for how we look to the rest of the world. It is not a good look for us.

SouthJerseyGirl 07-05-2020 11:25 AM

You cannot enter any store up north without a mask - which is why the numbers have decreased. FL is not smart at all.

coffeebean 07-05-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthJerseyGirl (Post 1798262)
You cannot enter any store up north without a mask - which is why the numbers have decreased. FL is not smart at all.

Are the stores able to enforce mask wearing? Any fights or arguments from people who are not willing to wear a mask while in those stores? I'm concerned about confrontations. I've seen some here on the news and it is frightening to see an older man falling to the floor in a scuffle because he refuses to put on a mask. (one example). It is frightening to see a woman cough in someone's face because she was berated for not wearing a mask. These situations are happening here.

Is it a different mind set up north when mask wearing is mandated by the government? I surely hope so. The best thing to bring this virus under control is for DeSantis to mandate mask wearing.

Velvet 07-05-2020 01:40 PM

I think it is mask phobia, you have to understand phobia in the first place. I used to think it was just vanity although most people look better in masks especially older people, but now I’m starting to realize it is a full blown phobia.

JoMar 07-05-2020 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1797669)
Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

Never served did you?

Byte1 07-05-2020 06:15 PM

Being around someone that is infected does not guarantee that you are going to become infected. And you do NOT get the virus off of your mail. You do not get the virus from prepared food. Keeping yourself safe is YOUR responsibility ONLY. It is not mine. Most of the people that become infected do not even get treated, and most of the ones that do get treated recover. A very small percentage of folks infected die from it. From what I have heard, you cannot become immune to it without being exposed to it in some manner. Just stay 6 feet away from others and you don't need to worry. Only seven infected in the Villages portion of Sumter county have died. Wear your mask if you wish. Don't wear your mask if you wish. Either way is not bothering me. You can blame me all you want for your hysterical stress, but that is your problem, not mine. Do not think that you can make it mine, because unless there is a law making me do something, I do it on my own volition. Shaming someone is just another form of bullying, and I don't get bullied so you are wasting your time. I will say this one more time, I wear a homemade fabric mask when I go shopping. I do it because I chose to. As far as I am concerned it is a moot effort because I doubt anyone that I come near could infect me even if they had the virus. The chances of bumping into an exposed person in The Villages is? The chances of bumping into an infected person in The Villages and also becoming infected is? Since I only go shopping about once a week, the chances of bumping into an infected person once a week and also getting infected in The Villages is? See what I am saying? Like I said before, mass hysteria. BUT, I am glad that you all are concerned about yourselves and supposedly others. And be careful at the golf course, because the chances of you getting hit by a golf ball and killed is higher than you getting infected by someone in the Villages, while shopping.

theruizs 07-05-2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1798493)
Being around someone that is infected does not guarantee that you are going to become infected. And you do NOT get the virus off of your mail. You do not get the virus from prepared food. Keeping yourself safe is YOUR responsibility ONLY. It is not mine. Most of the people that become infected do not even get treated, and most of the ones that do get treated recover. A very small percentage of folks infected die from it. From what I have heard, you cannot become immune to it without being exposed to it in some manner. Just stay 6 feet away from others and you don't need to worry. Only seven infected in the Villages portion of Sumter county have died. Wear your mask if you wish. Don't wear your mask if you wish. Either way is not bothering me. You can blame me all you want for your hysterical stress, but that is your problem, not mine. Do not think that you can make it mine, because unless there is a law making me do something, I do it on my own volition. Shaming someone is just another form of bullying, and I don't get bullied so you are wasting your time. I will say this one more time, I wear a homemade fabric mask when I go shopping. I do it because I chose to. As far as I am concerned it is a moot effort because I doubt anyone that I come near could infect me even if they had the virus. The chances of bumping into an exposed person in The Villages is? The chances of bumping into an infected person in The Villages and also becoming infected is? Since I only go shopping about once a week, the chances of bumping into an infected person once a week and also getting infected in The Villages is? See what I am saying? Like I said before, mass hysteria. BUT, I am glad that you all are concerned about yourselves and supposedly others. And be careful at the golf course, because the chances of you getting hit by a golf ball and killed is higher than you getting infected by someone in the Villages, while shopping.

Fine, but sad that it will take a law to make many of us do what we should do for one another out of love of our fellow man. And actual science contradicts most of what you say. I would say all, but I can’t find a study comparing the many golf course deaths to the covid-19 deaths.

Byte1 07-06-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1798355)
Never served did you?

Yes. And that means?

Byte1 07-06-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1798526)
Fine, but sad that it will take a law to make many of us do what we should do for one another out of love of our fellow man. And actual science contradicts most of what you say. I would say all, but I can’t find a study comparing the many golf course deaths to the covid-19 deaths.

They can attempt to make a law that forces everyone to wear a mask but if taken to court it would likely lose. They may be able to get away with it IF they declare Marshal Law. I don't know. I find it kind of ironic that the country wants to defund the police and then ask them to enforce some mask wearing rule. Perhaps they would get Social Services to write citations? How will you enforce it? Perhaps making sure the mask is a certain material and construction? Will it have to be covering the nose and mouth? Will safety glasses be mandated also, because your eyes can absorb the virus. Will gloves be mandated? Who is going to decide when no two doctors agree? Will they force those that have breathing problems to wear masks?
Mask shaming is just another term for bullying. But, in order for either to succeed, one has to be put in fear. Sorry, but that trick does not work on me. Like I said, I wear my homemade fabric mask in businesses when shopping. When this first started, I also wore gloves and safety glasses. I have all of the protective gear. I also have a respirator that is certified to filter out lead when I am stripping lead paint. Much better than N95. I also have a military gas mask that is even better. But, I don't wear that stuff because I have learned enough about the emergency that assures me that the chances of me becoming infected is about a million to one...if even that. If I was you (and as scared) I would wrap myself in plastic wrap or a rain suit to make sure that I am not contaminated by the air.
I have no problem with anyone that wishes to wear a mask. Don't presume to shame me into wearing one just because YOU think (erroneously) that it will save your life. Stay six feet away from me and you will be fine. I breath out of my nose and I do not find it necessary to speak to anyone when I am shopping. I shop and get out of there and am not there to socialize.
Take care of yourselves and quit worrying about what others are doing. You will have less chance of having a stroke or heart attack.
If you make it through this alive then you can attribute it to being safe. If I make it through alive, you can tell everyone that I was LUCKY.
If you don't like how your neighbors are handling this situation, stay home. They are not responsible for your safety.

tophcfa 07-06-2020 10:27 AM

Absolutely. We wouldn’t go into a store that did not.


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