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sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2210938)
While I do speak my mind, I don't INTENTIONALLY try to offend people. When I apologize, I'm not changing my mind on what I said.

Perhaps Metathesiophobia is real.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2210907)
Everyone knows who causes most of the crime in America. No need to mention it.

Just for clarity’s sake…are you referring to all the entitled white males who took everything they wanted and left the spoils to everyone else?

Lea N 04-24-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyB (Post 2210919)
Look up why they want us to stop saying Grandfather, because of the term "Grandfathered"

I just googled this and couldn't believe what I read. As a woman I'm not offended at the word housework - as it implies offends women's role in housekeeping.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HORNET (Post 2211001)
This is what’s wrong with the world! If it bothers you, fine, but I don’t want to hear it and don’t care. Do what you want and don’t force it down my throat.

Women have been saying that for years.

Bill14564 04-24-2023 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2210938)
While I do speak my mind, I don't INTENTIONALLY try to offend people. When I apologize, I'm not changing my mind on what I said.

You intentionally speak in a way you know some will find offensive. That doesn't sound any different than INTENTIONALLY trying to offend someone.

And in the times when you don't tell someone to grow thicker skin and you actually do apologize, you don't change your mind on what you said. It sounds like your apology takes the form of, "I'm sorry you get offended at what I say."

Interesting.

Number 10 GI 04-24-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisDee (Post 2210939)
Regarding my preferred pronouns...I often thought "emperor" would great.

Mine are Your Majesty or Sire.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lea N (Post 2211033)
I just googled this and couldn't believe what I read. As a woman I'm not offended at the word housework - as it implies offends women's role in housekeeping.

Everything on Google is 100% true, 100% of the time, except when it’s not.

The issue at large is that they want the American language to stop elevating males, while demoralizing women. You can call your grandpa, forefather, gramps, ancestor or even grandfather. It’s okay.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2211016)
So these 2 polish guys go deer hunting. They walk for about an hour and then spot a very very large buck with a large rack of horns. They both fire and put him down. They start dragging him by the feet back to their pick-up truck. After about 1/2 hour, one stops and says, the rack of horns keeps catching on the bushes and trees. It would be a lot easier to drag the deer by the antlers so it wouldn't get stuck along the way. The other hunter agrees. After 2 more hours of dragging the buck, they stop to rest. One hunter says, you know, I think we are getting farther away from the truck.

One man asks another, why are so many Italians named Tony? The man answers, the boats of immigrants went past the Statue of Liberty, docked and let all the passengers off. They were seperated into groups going to different locations. For New York locations, the heads of the men were stamped in an abbreviated form, TO NY once they arrived they were all registered that way.

We have all been raised in a racist world. If you get to adulthood and don't realize that and still talk ill of people, it's because your are ignorant. And we will talk ill of you, smarten up.




QUOTE=BrianL99;2210567]OK, so admittedly this is somewhat of a troll.

I know better than to think the conversation will remain civil, but I'm curious.

In today's world, we'd be pummeled for characterizing a person of color, as a ... (insert your own adjective).

We surely don't call people with physical disabilities, "cripples" or even "handicapped".

In some circles of government, words like "terrorist" are even verboten.

Hardly a comedian in the world, would risk mouthing a "Polish Joke".

We're not supposed to identify folks, based on their sexual preference or even their "birth gender/sex". Essentially, it's no longer deemed proper to identify people based on their lifestyle choices.

The acceptable stereotyping of our youth, has gone by the boards.

Aren't words like: "yankee", "northerner", "snowbirds", etc., used in the same sort of derogatory way, unacceptable stereotyping?

I read and hear those words every day in The Villages, used almost exclusively as a pejorative.

[/QUOTE]

Jokes aside. You are correct. We have been raised with many biases. We will likely all insert those biases at some point, BUT we don’t have to be complacent and stay stagnant when the world around us provides us new information about our behavior.

"The tragedy of life is not found in failure but complacency. Not in you doing too much, but doing too little. Not in you living above your means, but below your capacity. It's not failure but aiming too low, that is life's greatest tragedy." ~ Benjamin E. Mays

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Complacency is the forerunner of mediocrity. You can never work too hard on attitudes, effort and technique." ~ Don Meyer

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2211042)
Mine are Your Majesty or Sire.

Please refer to me as Your Omnipotence.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-24-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPratt (Post 2210845)
Could it be we are evolving as a nation? Think of the words that were common place years ago. Colored became black to Afro-American. Miss, Mrs. became Ms. White has become Euro-American. More diversity in advertising, etc. the list goes on and on. There was a time blacks and females weren’t permitted to vote. One can only guess what was being talked about when these changes were taking place. As Bob Dylan wrote, “these times they are a changin.” Each generation goes through it. As example, your parents yelled to you to turn that music down, how can you listen to that garbage. Now, the parents today complain about their kids music.

Hush yo mouth about evolution. Don't you know the only good times, were the times in the 1950's? When them colored folk new their place, irish were cops or maids, eye-talians were only good for gambling and keeping the cops busy, and mexicans picked oranges in the groves, period.

The only people who had value were white folks - and even then, men were running things. Married women weren't allowed to have their own bank account, their husbands had to co-own the account, and they weren't allowed to have their own credit cards. There was no assisted living - you either died at home or you went into a "home" where you were given laudanum so you wouldn't notice how miserable you were, until you died an undignified death in your own excrement and bedsores.

Women who didn't marry were called "spinsters" and lived with the shame of being unsuitable as wives, while men who didn't marry were called "bachelors" and clapped on the back for being free-spirited.

Most families didn't own more than one car per household - and why would they need more? The wives stayed home, the husbands worked, the milk was delivered to the house.

Everyone and their brother had polio. Thalidomide, taken as a miracle anti-nausea drug for pregnant women, was the most notable cause 10s of thousands of deformities and deaths in newborns. Tuburculosis, influenza, and pneumonia were fast killers of millions of Americans during that decade, and smoking was advertised and encouraged as a healthy and healthful habit.

A 1949 advertisement for Viceroy cigarettes claimed dentists recommended them for healthy teeth.

So much awesome in the 1950's right? We should return to the good ole days and never try to improve on our species, or its vocabulary.

LianneMigiano 04-24-2023 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2210618)
WTF, it’s getting to the point where people are afraid to speak! It must really suck trying to be a comedian these days, all you can do is make fun of yourself.

It's getting to the point where people are going to be afraid to become teachers here in FL. Just wait and see.....That's going to be the real crisis

Two Bills 04-24-2023 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2211000)
It’s not clear why you think asking that question is hard. It’s no harder than asking what’s your birthdate or address. It’s only hard if it’s met with difficult remarks from judgemental people.

Most of the patient like me were elderly. and it was obvious many were not sure of the question.
Having to explain to some confused older patient if they had a preferred pronoun was obviously not in the original job description for the poor lady.
There was nothing judgemental about it.

JMintzer 04-24-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2210859)
I guess Dutch Masters cigars would be made taboo now, if all things tobacco were not already taboo.
Still, the Florida legislature worries me, outlawing “Drag Shows” if children might see them. A friend of mine used to travel the country as a musician, playing his bagpipes at festivals, parades, policemen’s funerals, etc, if full kilt and highland regalia . Now in Florida he would be arrested and those sponsoring the events he performed at would be pilloried, fined, and who knows what else.

Why on earth is he concerned about being arrested?

Bill14564 04-24-2023 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2211092)
Why on earth is he concerned about being arrested?

A man in Florida wearing a skirt out in public where children might be present? Why *wouldn't* he be concerned? Yes, ridiculous, but these are strange times we live in.

BrianL99 04-24-2023 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 2210713)
I think the point the OP was making is that Snowbird, Yankee and Notherner may be derogatory terms yet we use them freely here in TV. Being a Southern girl I use the terms as terms of endearment and sometimes as a derogatory term.

Thank you for reading and understanding my point.

The fact that there are 7 pages of responses and only (2) people understood my simple, basic English, speaks volumes about the reading and comprehension ability of Villagers. I suppose you could consider my conclusion "stereotyping", but the facts seem to warrant the conclusion.

(I don't think the terms "Snowbird", "Yankee" or "Northerner" are inherently pejorative, they just always seem to be used that way in TV (& perhaps other places I don't frequent).

BrianL99 04-24-2023 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaJones (Post 2210863)
Your "troll" question was actually this:

Aren't words like: "yankee", "northerner", "snowbirds", etc., used in the same sort of derogatory way, unacceptable stereotyping?

Exactly.

You and " perrjojo" win today's award for reading and comprehension at a reasonable level.

Normal 04-24-2023 06:41 PM

I’m Not Sensitive
 
I’ve heard all the terms and used most myself. I don’t anymore, especially if they bother someone and I know it. It’s amazing how many purists have never used the terms?

Hmmm, what to do with my Mastercard?

JMintzer 04-24-2023 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210981)
Ironic. To label the team with a derogatory adjective and persist using that name, implies openly bullying anyone who doesn’t agree with those views.

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210983)
Ah the old days when we all could be open racists. Sickening.

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210985)
Amen! We need more opinions like this to squelch out the over abundant racist views on Talk of The Villages.

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210988)
Well that would be confusing to your friends.

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210990)
How do you stand all that body wagging? Must be hard for you. :cryin2:

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210993)
Was that a humble opinion? Sounded the opposite of humble. Spoiled, entitled. I didn’t hear humble words. Regardless, It also sounds like you do not stand by your own words and want to erase the current history. The old history is written. You may not like the current history, and may want to stick to your degrading dictionary, but gender pronouns and cancel culture are history: todays history. Ignorance is blind.

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2210999)
You mean that other people would like the focus to go away from white privileged males to anyone else? God forbid!

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2211000)
It’s not clear why you think asking that question is hard. It’s no harder than asking what’s your birthdate or address. It’s only hard if it’s met with difficult remarks from judgemental people.

Looks like we got a new shooter at the craps table... Come on 7! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

JMintzer 04-24-2023 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2211097)
A man in Florida wearing a skirt out in public where children might be present? Why *wouldn't* he be concerned? Yes, ridiculous, but these are strange times we live in.

Oh, Puleeze...

Normal 04-24-2023 06:59 PM

Master
 
When I was a kid younger men and boys were addressed as “master”. The term is still used quite a bit over in England. Is it derogatory now?

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2210922)
That is because Kyle was the victim defending himself and others. The men he shot were murderous thugs.

Incorrect opinion.

Eg_cruz 04-24-2023 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lea N (Post 2211033)
I just googled this and couldn't believe what I read. As a woman I'm not offended at the word housework - as it implies offends women's role in housekeeping.

We can’t make this stuff up….crazy

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2211118)
Looks like we got a new shooter at the craps table... Come on 7! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

Bring it on. I can always use new shoes. They make my calves look sexy. You forgot my quote about referring to me as “Your Omnipotence”. Nice to meet ya Tom Petty. I may lurk some more or come back out for fun when it suits me.

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2210974)
Wife and I grew up in London during WW2 with bombs and rockets falling, food shortages, rationing, and freezing cold because there was nothing left to burn.
My heart bleeds for GEN Z, and all their perceived problems with what gender they are, and where they can buy their drugs.
You play the hand you are dealt, or fold.
Get real.

Real. Check it out, gen Z has legitimate problems that we (our generation) should be sympathetic and ready to HELP them out.

Eg_cruz 04-24-2023 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2211118)
Looks like we got a new shooter at the craps table... Come on 7! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

Thanks I needed a good laugh

JMintzer 04-24-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2211128)
Incorrect opinion.

No such thing...

You told us that, COUNTLESS times...

JMintzer 04-24-2023 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2211130)
Bring it on. I can always use new shoes. They make my calves look sexy. You forgot my quote about referring to me as “Your Omnipotence”. Nice to meet ya Tom Petty. I may lurk some more or come back out for fun when it suits me.

So you admit you're a troll... Cool!

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2211043)
Everything on Google is 100% true, 100% of the time, except when it’s not.

The issue at large is that they want the American language to stop elevating males, while demoralizing women. You can call your grandpa, forefather, gramps, ancestor or even grandfather. It’s okay.

Even the word History glorifies males. It should be His/Her Story.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2211127)
When I was a kid younger men and boys were addressed as “master”. The term is still used quite a bit over in England. Is it derogatory now?

According to the internet it’s derogatory except when referring to a solo sexual act. (Shrug)

JMintzer 04-24-2023 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2211144)
Even the word History glorifies males. It should be His/Her Story.

https://media.tenor.com/-lih1d9bV3QA...lm-annoyed.gif

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 07:43 PM

Jokes aside. You are correct. We have been raised with many biases. We will likely all insert those biases at some point, BUT we don’t have to be complacent and stay stagnant when the world around us provides us new information about our behavior.

"The tragedy of life is not found in failure but complacency. Not in you doing too much, but doing too little. Not in you living above your means, but below your capacity. It's not failure but aiming too low, that is life's greatest tragedy." ~ Benjamin E. Mays

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Complacency is the forerunner of mediocrity. You can never work too hard on attitudes, effort and technique." ~ Don Meyer[/QUOTE]
Good quotes.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2211098)
Thank you for reading and understanding my point.

The fact that there are 7 pages of responses and only (2) people understood my simple, basic English, speaks volumes about the reading and comprehension ability of Villagers. I suppose you could consider my conclusion "stereotyping", but the facts seem to warrant the conclusion.

(I don't think the terms "Snowbird", "Yankee" or "Northerner" are inherently pejorative, they just always seem to be used that way in TV (& perhaps other places I don't frequent).

I’m pretty sure there are 8 pages because you encouraged people to comment by teasing upfront that your post was controversial. I personally became less interested in your point and cared more about what the antagonists had to say.

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2211097)
A man in Florida wearing a skirt out in public where children might be present? Why *wouldn't* he be concerned? Yes, ridiculous, but these are strange times we live in.

I personally find those dang kilt wearers super hot. Of course 10 yards of pleated wool is also super hot here in Florida.

Normal 04-24-2023 07:49 PM

Mailman
 
The US mail carrier: Ok I know it’s a homophone (not sure if we can use the term “homo” anymore in front of words). But we can’t call a mail carrier a female carrier unless you are Bud Light? So Why not call the US mail the US letter processing unit? Females will not be slighted by the evolved term?

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sandyblanquera@gmail.com (Post 2211053)
Please refer to me as Your Omnipotence.

Dear your omnipotence!
Simply refer to me as Young and Handsome or as most people do, "Hey you".

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2211054)
Hush yo mouth about evolution. Don't you know the only good times, were the times in the 1950's? When them colored folk new their place, irish were cops or maids, eye-talians were only good for gambling and keeping the cops busy, and mexicans picked oranges in the groves, period.

The only people who had value were white folks - and even then, men were running things. Married women weren't allowed to have their own bank account, their husbands had to co-own the account, and they weren't allowed to have their own credit cards. There was no assisted living - you either died at home or you went into a "home" where you were given laudanum so you wouldn't notice how miserable you were, until you died an undignified death in your own excrement and bedsores.

Women who didn't marry were called "spinsters" and lived with the shame of being unsuitable as wives, while men who didn't marry were called "bachelors" and clapped on the back for being free-spirited.

Most families didn't own more than one car per household - and why would they need more? The wives stayed home, the husbands worked, the milk was delivered to the house.

Everyone and their brother had polio. Thalidomide, taken as a miracle anti-nausea drug for pregnant women, was the most notable cause 10s of thousands of deformities and deaths in newborns. Tuburculosis, influenza, and pneumonia were fast killers of millions of Americans during that decade, and smoking was advertised and encouraged as a healthy and healthful habit.

A 1949 advertisement for Viceroy cigarettes claimed dentists recommended them for healthy teeth.

So much awesome in the 1950's right? We should return to the good ole days and never try to improve on our species, or its vocabulary.

That was a VERY clever and informative post. It may go down in TOTV history as one of the best ever!

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2211141)
So you admit you're a troll... Cool!

That’s not very cool Tommy. I just said nice to meet ya. I think you misread my reply. I said to call me “your omnipotence,” not troll. Since you are challenging me I would say, why go to all the trouble to focus everyone’s attention on little ole me?

As far as ducking in and out…some of us still work and don’t have hours to waste on here replying to endless daily rants about roundabouts, bad drivers and snowflakes. Boring too. I like to really dig my heels (pun intended as an accessory to your shoe comment) into commentary by racists of many types.

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 2211061)
It's getting to the point where people are going to be afraid to become teachers here in FL. Just wait and see.....That's going to be the real crisis

VERY true, that !

sandyblanquera@gmail.com 04-24-2023 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2211156)
The US mail carrier: Ok I know it’s a homophone (not sure if we can use the term “homo” anymore in front of words). But we can’t call a mail carrier a female carrier unless you are Bud Light? So Why not call the US mail the US letter processing unit? Females will not be slighted by the evolved term?

Once they got rid of “male carrier” and made it “mail carrier” all the kinks got worked out.

jimjamuser 04-24-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2211098)
Thank you for reading and understanding my point.

The fact that there are 7 pages of responses and only (2) people understood my simple, basic English, speaks volumes about the reading and comprehension ability of Villagers. I suppose you could consider my conclusion "stereotyping", but the facts seem to warrant the conclusion.

(I don't think the terms "Snowbird", "Yankee" or "Northerner" are inherently pejorative, they just always seem to be used that way in TV (& perhaps other places I don't frequent).

It could also "speak volumes" about the content and clarity of the original thread starter.


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