This is just a thought, this reaction to symbols could it be PTSD?

My my we've been busy. Gosh that Nascar noose photo sure looks scary. Big thick rope and huge loop with lots of nasty coils at the top. Only problem is, the closeup photo was designed to look scary and the noose isn't a noose. Nascar photographer Bob Pockrass showed on twitter a photo he took of the same garage and "noose" in October 2019. You can see it's not a thick rope, probably 1/4 inch, and the loop is maybe 3-4 inches wide. You couldn't fit a baby's head through that loop.

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Nascar President Steve Phelps, seeing his companies image getting hammered on social media, probably said I want the scariest closeup of the noose we have! Stat!!

It's not a noose anyway. How do I know? Well I tied several knots exactly like that last night on my friends boat 20 miles offshore from Tarpon Springs. We use knots like that for leaders or hook when we are going after big strong fish like Groupers. Once you tighten down the knot and trim the tag line, it looks just like the Nascar photo. But it is not a noose, no matter how hard you pull on the loop, it does not tighten, even if you are a 500 pound grouper. Pull on an actual noose, and the loop tightens.

Video: how to tie a Duncan loop knot

Fishing Knots: How to Tie a Duncan Loop Knot - YouTube

Here's one on a swimming pool thermometer, pretty scary!

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So Bubba's noose is not a noose, as the FBI described it " a garage door pull down rope fashioned like a noose" Even Bubba knows it's not a noose, he described it on the today show as "Not a functioning noose, but it is a noose." Bubba and Nascar can call it a noose and seem to like to, but IT IS KNOT A NOOSE :)

So do I still think this is a hoax? Yes indeed and here's why.

The Nascar photo of the "noose" was taken Sunday afternoon, we know this because you can see puddles on the pavement, rain was reason race on Sunday was postponed until Monday. According to Nascar's published timeline, Nascar was notified of the incident at 4:30 PM on Sunday and they immediately sent a team to investigate. At this time the "noose" was still attached to the garage pull down rope. Later on Sunday Phelps had a tearful briefing with Bubba where he shared details and undoubtably photos of the "noose" Both Nascar and Bubba put out breathless and heroic statements of the disgusting racial hate incident.

On Monday Morning, Nascar called FBI and they sent 15 agents to investigate the crime scene and view the horrible nooselike loop knot on the garage pull down rope. The noose was cut down as shown in photos taken Monday

On Monday at 1:12 PM Nascar Prez Steve Phelps held a press teleconference, answering various questions.

Q. Can you confirm, was the rope the rope that normally you would pull down the garage door?

STEVE PHELPS: I am not sure. I have no information on that.

That's straight up lies right there, why would I trust another word he says?

So nobody from the Nascar team that was sent to the garage the day before had briefed the President of the company that the "noose" was at the end of the garage pull down rope and showed him photos? :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Later Monday they had the beautiful cathartic photo op with all the drivers pushing Bubba's car. It was super woke.

On Tuesday The FBI announced it was not a racial hate crime, the 'Noose" had been there since October 2019, and a Wood Brothers racing team member had seen it when they used the same garage.

So all the hoopla about a racial hate crime was milked for all it's worth even though Nascar knew it was just a garage pull down rope with a loop knot and not a functioning noose on the very first day. How admirable.

About those 1600 garages Nascar had surveyed and the only one with a "noose" was Bubbas? There are photos all over the internet of loops on the garage door ropes at numerous Talladega garages from 2017 and on. I guess they all just majically disappeared before this incident. Or maybe Phelps told his team, I want every door inspected and if there are any loops, untie them and report to me that none were found. Remember, he's getting hammered in social media, and he's a corporate executive. They never tell fibs do they?

Also, in the Nascar photo, on the left you can see part of a person standing there. He is wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019 on Sunday, or at the latest early Monday morning.

That rope in the Nascar image does look brand new doesn't it? Maybe Nascar mechanics wash their hands a lot. Doesn't really matter, they pushed a hoax when they knew the truth was something different.

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Photo of Bubba's boat on his Instagram. At least we know Bubba knows how to tie a bowline loop knot.

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To me, there is much more anger than most experience so we all must be missing some really, really bad stuff.

I just don't like being the brunt of someone's unresolved awful experiences and I don't think being this angry helps anyone. I get the feeling that some posters think all people who are not him or think like him or vote like him are all the same. I think a lot of how we look at things has much to do with our early lives and our innate intelligence which is just an accident of birth. Some people are born smarter than others. Some people are born more intuitive than others. Some people can see through schemes and pretension and propaganda and unrealistic solutions. And some cannot. EVER.

Big thick rope? The rope is neither big or thick, just seen from a closer view in one photo; that's how perspective works.

So it has to actually function in order to be seen as a noose? I don't remember hearing anything even implying that it was fully functional. Who'd have tested it?

Where did it say when the photo with the noose still hanging was taken? From nascar.com: NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
"Monday, June 22
– Early Monday a.m.: FBI Birmingham office reaches out to NASCAR.
~ 10 a.m.: FBI arrives at Talladega Superspeedway with 15 field agents to begin investigation. NASCAR provides the FBI with a list of personnel with access to the garage, as well as video and images taken from the weekend and the 2019 fall weekend as well."
Wouldn't that suggest that it was an earlier photo, as you seem to imply below?*

Yeah, didn't see 'em. Did a search for "Talladega noose" & "Talladega rope" images; nothing but what we've already seen right here. Have any links? Please, no more looong, boring videos though.

*See above.

I don't know about "brand new"; are all the other ropes dirtier? You call it a hoax, but the FBI never seemed to come to that conclusion.

Big thick rope? The rope is neither big or thick, just seen from a closer view in one photo; that's how perspective works.

The Nascar photo close up with no perspective makes rope look thicker, loop look bigger, more menacing. The 2019 photo shows it in scale, a 1/4 inch rope with a small loop of 3-4 inches. This was done with a purpose.

So it has to actually function in order to be seen as a noose? I don't remember hearing anything even implying that it was fully functional. Who'd have tested it?

Please, initial Nascar, Bubba, Media reports all called it a noose. Not looks like a noose, fashioned like a noose. But a Noose. It's not, If it doesn't tighten when pulling on the loop it is not a noose. Period. Of course the Nascar team and the FBI would have tested this immediately.

Where did it say when the photo with the noose still hanging was taken? From nascar.com: NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
"Monday, June 22
– Early Monday a.m.: FBI Birmingham office reaches out to NASCAR.
~ 10 a.m.: FBI arrives at Talladega Superspeedway with 15 field agents to begin investigation. NASCAR provides the FBI with a list of personnel with access to the garage, as well as video and images taken from the weekend and the 2019 fall weekend as well."
Wouldn't that suggest that it was an earlier photo, as you seem to imply below?*

It's obvious the photo was taken on Sunday afternoon. Puddles on the pavement, rain on Sunday forced postponement till Monday. Photos taken on Monday show "noose" was cut from the rope. They didn't leave it hanging. The earlier photo was taken in October 2019, that and how they knew it wasn't put there for Bubba. Wood Brothers racing had the same stall in 2019 and told Nascar and FBI that it was seen by them then.

Yeah, didn't see 'em. Did a search for "Talladega noose" & "Talladega rope" images; nothing but what we've already seen right here. Have any links? Please, no more looong, boring videos though.

photos of loop knots on garage pulls Talladega 2017, there's more buy don't want to bore you with video evidence.

NASCAR releases photo of the suspected 'noose' found in Bubba Wallace's garage | Daily Mail Online

I don't know about "brand new"; are all the other ropes dirtier? You call it a hoax, but the FBI never seemed to come to that conclusion


It looks pretty new but doesn't matter. The same rope and "noose" are seen in October 2019 photo posted above. FBI was called in to investigate a hate crime. They said none exists. The hoax was perpetuated by Nascar Bubba etc because they knew from the get go it was just a pull down rope with a knot that looked like a noose, but wasn't a real noose, and they knew that it had been there since October 2019. Phelps straight up lied during his teleconference on Monday, he already knew the whole story. That's the hoax.

That noise was produced by the CEO of Nascar and he miraculously found it after the FBI investigated it. Seems like Nascar is trying to cover it's back. Look how new and pristine it looks. I don't believe the noose problem one bit.

We all know there are those in our society who would hang a noose to intimidate and to hurt and frighten or shock others, but we also know that in our society there are also those who would falsely fake something to make a point too.

I do not associate personally with either of those types, and please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about, our friends aren't picked from "rent a friend" but carefully kept and nurtured and we have some going back five decades who have been with us through thick and thin and some new ones who are just as open and loyal and with so many folks to pick from drifted to us and stuck and we feed them and enjoy them and hope for a few decades with them as well. Our friends our both conservative and liberal in their views but not people who would trick someone to make their point and not a one talks down to anyone or they are out the door. Life is too short and many people underestimate the wisdom of people on this panel.

You can feel the teeth gritting loathing of some posts on this forum. Some old music lyrics stick with me and this I think is from Carousel....

"There is nothing so bad for a woman as..............a man who thinks he's good."

And I am amazed by the folks who cannot see themselves posturing and acting like they are superior to others when they are just bullies. Just bullies.

I don't think so. Bubba is the centerpiece of Nascar's new get woke go broke campaign.

Don't care much anyway, Nascar is boring to me, driving in a circle making left hand turns for 200 miles. I much prefer Formula 1 which has the most highly skilled drivers in the world.

Sorry, I agree photoshopped. the noose is of a different resolution than the rest of the picture and I agree sloppy at top of Knot rushed, .. blurry and rope is narrower coming out of top. I’m sure there are people in “NASCAR Security” that want to keep issue going too. If true, it’s a hateful thing to do, but too many things don’t add up in these cases and they start to feel like a Smollett issue. Just my take

So anything that doesn't show the entire door is somehow "menacing"? How would anyone take a closer picture then? Closeups of wild animals might be scary; ropes don't really have the same effect.

OK, "alleged", non-functioning noose. Better? :ohdear:

I'm still missing something here. You say that the Wood Brothers were using this stall in 2019 and also said earlier that the guy partially shown in the scary photo is "wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019". So how does that mean that the photo is from Sunday, 6/21/20? It can't be both ways.

Well, thanks for that anyway! I've wasted enough time watching videos that you've claimed contained proof, but really didn't. But, just to be a stickler for detail, are any of the photos or videos from this year?

You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. But what you insist is a hoax would seem to be at most a misunderstanding in a sticky situation involving a Black driver & what positively LOOKS like a noose. Did NASCAR over-react, possibly even cover their butts when stating there were no other "nooses" in any stalls? Could be.
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This theory you present doesn't seem to stand up to the definition of 'hoax', IMO. It's obviously still your right to believe it though.

There's a huge difference between a pull-rope and a noose. What I saw was definitely a noose, and Mr. Wallace was not the one that brought it to the attention of the news, it was a white person.

So anything that doesn't show the entire door is somehow "menacing"? How would anyone take a closer picture then? Closeups of wild animals might be scary; ropes don't really have the same effect.

Look at Nascar photo of "noose" taken June 21 vs same exact "noose" in same exact garage taken October 2019. Which one looks bigger and more scary? This isn't hard. You can't tell from Nascar photo that it is a garage pull down rope and you can't tell how big it really is.

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Angles and lenses can be used to make photos look completely different.

Scary covid spreading beach scene

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Same beach, same day same time from helicopter

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OK, "alleged", non-functioning noose. Better? :ohdear:

If your butcher cut a piece of rump roast to look like a filet mignon and sold it to you for $20 a pound would you be happy? Words matter. It's not a noose.


I'm still missing something here. You say that the Wood Brothers were using this stall in 2019 and also said earlier that the guy partially shown in the scary photo is "wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019". So how does that mean that the photo is from Sunday, 6/21/20? It can't be both ways.

The Bubba "noose" was discovered on Sunday June 21. Photos from the next day show it had been cut down. Sunday was rainy, race postponed. Puddles in Nascar photo. When do you think the photo was taken? :ohdear:


Well, thanks for that anyway! I've wasted enough time watching videos that you've claimed contained proof, but really didn't. But, just to be a stickler for detail, are any of the photos or videos from this year?

I've posted this video several times, showing lots of "nooses" at Talladega since 2016
It's only 2 minutes long, so watch carefully and let me know if there's no proof. Nascar Steve Phelps claims all nooses at all Nascar tracks have magically disappeared and the only one found was in Bubba's garage. Since he lied in his teleconference last Monday, I don't believe a word he says.


You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. But what you insist is a hoax would seem to be at most a misunderstanding in a sticky situation involving a Black driver & what positively LOOKS like a noose. Did NASCAR over-react, possibly even cover their butts when stating there were no other "nooses" in any stalls? Could be.
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This theory you present doesn't seem to stand up to the definition of 'hoax', IMO. It's obviously still your right to believe it though.


Definition of hoax : an act intended to trick or dupe

Nascar Prez Steve Phelps and Bubba Wallace knew it was a non functioning "noose" at the end of a garage pull down rope on Sunday afternoon, and they knew it was not targeted at Bubba either by Sunday afternoon or at the latest Monday morning because Wood Brothers racing told them same "noose" was at same garage in 2019.

Yet they still went ahead with breathless racial hatred statements, called FBI to investigate, staged a kumbaya Bubba car push, and rode the woke train until FBI affirmed what they already knew, it was a garage pull down rope that had been there since at least October 2019. Nascar and Bubba are still claiming "the noose was real"

Not a noose, it's a Uni or Duncan loop knot. Nooses tighten, loop knots do not.

A white person found it?

Speaking on ESPN's "First Take" (video above), Wallace said, "Yes, it was a garage pull for our stall at Talladega, but that was in the solid shape of a noose. And when my guys seen that, when my crew member had seen that -- who happened to be African American -- he did his research first, and I was very proud of that.

Bubba Wallace debriefs in interviews, defends crew member who spotted noose | Autoblog

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It really isn't hard: neither one looks scary at all. Before NASCAR published the closeup, people were saying that they hadn't seen any noose photos and that the one from a distance looked like a bowline, etc. It's not a bowline, it's a non-functioning noose. The angle wasn't contrived for any nefarious purpose; it was a closer image, plain & simple.

That's not a matter of words at all... Looks matter, too. Try walking past TSA with a non-functioning weapon in your hand. Right?
You seem to be expecting that someone needed to actually test the noose to see if it tightened and I can't image that happening or even mattering. Phelps has said, "'In hindsight, I should have used the word "alleged" in our statement." Also,
"'As you can see from the photo, the noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba' Phelps continued." NASCAR releases photo of the suspected 'noose' found in Bubba Wallace's garage | Daily Mail Online Maybe "non-functioning" would have been better?

That's what I'm asking you. One time you say it rained on Sunday, 6/21/20 so that proves that it was taken on Monday, 6/22/20. Then you say that the guy in the background of the same photo is proof that the noose existed in 2019. Very contradictory & confusing. :confused:

I haven't seen this 2-minute video that you posted, but still, nope. I don't care about 2016 & it just doesn't apply. Answer my question above, please.
I'm fairly sure that "all nooses at all Nascar tracks have magically disappeared and the only one found was in Bubba's garage." are in fact your words & not Steve Phelps'.

The 'functioning' thing again?!?! :ohdear: It LOOKS just like a noose, it really doesn't have to be used as one IF there had been a message. Everyone is relieved that it was not an act of racism directed at Bubba Wallace. Moving on...