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Getting a historical perspective is necessary

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1990462)

My father was a British soldier in the 1920's, and was stationed in India and Afganistan.
The only thing he ever told me was that the Afgans only stopped fighting each other, to have a pop at the local British garrison.
He also said it was the most beautiful country he ever saw.
The saying about the people was, "You can buy an Afgan, but you will never own one!"
Not much has changed, and given our history in the place, I was truly surprised our government ever put troops back into the country.
But who looks at, or takes notice of history books any more?

I love this perspective as that area of the world is resource poor for international trade and production. But the religion and the political system are the same, which makes for an ideology leadership, different from the western world of former british empire break aways and western europe.

As an ideological lead state, it carries the sins of 2,000 years with them everywhere they go. They want to fit in, but have the ideology stuck in their way. . . so they rule by power and struggle for power throughout the region. . . as they have ideology stuck in their way with the sins of 2,000 years. . .

a game or war which can't be won by humans as humans have the memories. . .

The Great Courses

This might be worth a look especially the chapter on Afghanistan and Iraq.

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The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 sparked a U.S. military response like no other, combining overwhelming air power against the terrorist regime in Afghanistan, along with special forces and allied units on the ground. Also chart the 2003 invasion of Iraq, another success in regime change. Unfortunately, initial victory in both cases evolved into a no-win struggle with insurgents.

Thank you for posting this. I totally agree.

It's fairly obvious that the original mission was to kill terrorists, and of course they didn't like that, some have the mission expanded and nobody bothered to complain like they did in the Vietnam days (moderator I'm not being political).
We seem to have been let on a chain to discuss poppy fields, well there are a lot more worse things than cheap heroin and I in fact think if it was cheap we have a lot less crime. If you follow TV news about drugs and I mean the rabbit ears TVs, and you know Americans have a lot more problems like oxycodone, drunk drivers that still kill and these little sticks called cigarettes. The Taliban that have just done a public service announcement seem to understand how America works by Allaying fears and allowing others to leave or at least saying they will give them that chance. Who is to say what type of civilization and culture is the right one my wife may not like hearing it but there's about a billion Muslims that live with the wife staying at home with a veil and not learning much education. Star Trek pretty much I had a rule that we have learned not to touch the other civilizations because they have to grow up as they want to and every time we interfere we will be screw up. Was Afghanistan a better place 20 years ago without US troops? We will never know what will become of that area of the world has surely we will never go back there again with American troops unless unfortunately God forbid they would be another 9/11 in which case I fear some president would use an atomic bomb to simply wipe all the Muslims off the face of the Earth. Again dear moderator I'm not being political

Sorry for poor tenses or spelling

This was voice typed and I'm sure there was some commas and plurals missing so dear School teachers don't be upset

Daily Sun newspaper has had NO front page or second page coverage about the Afghanistan disaster! Only COVID COVID COVID!

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1990711)

You're confused. That only applies to what our government can do to its citizens, NOT to how a private entity (such as this site) or a company - can do to its members/employees.

If you want political discussions you can always use Facebook or Twitter.

No ..... wait .....

There is a book about this topic published this month

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Originally Posted by SacDQ (Post 1990958)

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

"Our own worst enemy", by Tom Nichols, published this month

Who is in charge of the taliban?

I don’t think flooding the west with Heroin is a new thing .

The Daily Sun newspaper still has no coverage about the Afghanistan disaster. No information on the thousands or our men and women soldiers there to protect and evacuate the ten to forty thousand Americans still sheltering in place in Afghanistan.

After all the military equipment that we have provided, there is no excuse for them to turn tail and run and not protect their own Freedom. If they won't fight for their own country, there is no reason we should. As for the heroin, that could easily be napalmed into extinction. It is amazing what unmanned drones can do today. That country is useless and nothing more than a money pit; a hole in the ground where we throw trillions into, hoping to fill it in.

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1990545)

10,000 Americans still stuck there.

Ten to forty thousand.

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1990477)

Twenty years and two trillion dollars for an inevitable outcome. We didn't learn from the French regarding Vietnam or the Russians regarding Afghanistan.

But, we actually did make a difference in that country. Women had freedoms, were respected and involved, even in politics, and little girls were going to school. People were happier, now they are terrified. Its already starting to change. There was a woman shot and killed 2 days ago because she didn't wear a burka. That's what bothers me the most.

A song from The Kingston Trio in 1959.

Some things don't change much.

Kingston Trio. The Merry Minuet. - Bing video