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J1ceasar 03-24-2021 05:53 AM

So true I'm in the same boat. However that being said they were so many other things wrong with the stimulus package do you know that out of 1.9 trillion dollars only 480 million was actually a stimulus check. If the entire amount was a stimulus check and we each beginning about $5,000 per person. Also I always hear let's make the income tax fair I e raise it for people making more money, well why was this not giving up proportionately to those making less? So that may be those making under $50,000 would get 10,000, those between 50 and 100 we get $5,000, those between 100 and 150,000 we get just $1,000. And if it was so damn important why did it take almost 12 months between the 2nd and 3rd checks, well we really do know why but I can't talk about it on here

Girlcopper 03-24-2021 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1920277)
Your math is so wrong. Your assumptions are incorrect. Your accusations are insulting. Who are you to determine who should and who should not get the funds.
Sit back, relax, you are worried about something that is not within your control.

Totally agree. Since the poster didnt qualify for the check and would be ashamed to take it anyway, I guess problem solved for them. Now let the rest of do what we want without comments from someone who doesnt even have a dog in this fight

J1ceasar 03-24-2021 05:58 AM

Absolutely correct in that this will will just add to the inflation we have. I really believe there should be a simple law saying any time of politician wants to spend money that is over and above the revenue it comes out of their pocket as a tax first and then he comes out of their capital. Trouble is a billion here a billionaire that really adds up

PugMom 03-24-2021 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1920198)
Yeah if only Connecticut had refused to fork over hundreds of millions every year to the Fed, which allocated it to states like Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Alabama, we wouldn't have so much waste.

Ct has been in trouble for years since rowland worked out that MASSIVE sweetheart deal with the unions, primarily teacher's union that went to cover pensions & other fees. it's the elephant in the room that no one dare speak of. every year our taxes went up, one reason they said, to cover education. --right- meanwhile parents/teacher were picking our own pockets to cover basic supplies like kleenex & sticky notes. funding went to the unions as opposed to the students & imo that's ONE of the many reasons the state went under-& now the middle-class is gone. they have either super-wealthy, or impoverished, & now, here we are.

PugMom 03-24-2021 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1920151)
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$1.9 Trillion divided by 330 milllion = $5,700 for each american.
ALL Americans, including children - EVERYONE.

That's how much EACH of us, even those NOT getting the $1400 will owe to pay for Bill.
We much consider that much, if not all, of these $1.9 TRILLION be be DEBT. Owed by EVERY taxpayer. And of course THAT does not include the interest $$ to be paid over the decades upon decades.

Pile THAT onto the current Federal debt of $28 TRILLION ($85,000 for EVERY single American.

Am I worried for ME? Not really. Am I worried for our Kids, Grandkids, Great+++Grandkids? Yep. Pile on the debt Washington (BOTH parties). It's only money.

And as The USA will no doubt get weaker financially - China, well you know the story.
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i read a good portion of the stimulus is going to foreign countries

coconutmama 03-24-2021 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1920170)
The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

The price of gas fluctuates based on many factors. During the last administration was no exception. For example: In Aug of 2018 it was over $3 how quick we forget & how quick we blame

Fisherman 03-24-2021 06:06 AM

Everyone has a different situation. If everyone could take one minute to realize that politics is not a part of the equation, you would understand all the different scenarios that are taking place right here in The Villages. How about all the widows and widowers here. Example, my husband died unexpectedly. We both worked hard and long to save for retirement. We paid in to Social Security and our employers did as well. Thank God we maximized our 401Ks and IRA’s to supplement SS. Then one dies and your SS income gets cut in half. You get theirs or yours which ever is higher. Now that is reality!! If you do not need the money, why don’t you donate it to the many families or local businesses that do. Send me your check, because my dream retirement changed drastically the day I lost my spouse and their are so many, just like me. Just look around your neighborhood and you will see how many of us are here. Our income level as individuals, was less than $75K. We have the same expenses as a couple, the same amenities fees, electric, phone, TV, golf fees etc. we do the best we can, living alone and trying to go on. The stimulus checks help some and they are a bonus for others. Everyone should use the money depending on their needs. Put it back in to the economy and it will grow.

Cheapbas 03-24-2021 06:09 AM

You are correct, not everyone here needs it. So as mentioned, stimulate the economy or donate it. Help a charity who helps families who lost big time in this pandemic and if that’s not available there’s always little kids with cancer.

dewilson58 03-24-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1920298)
You are correct, not everyone here needs it. So as mentioned, stimulate the economy or donate it. Help a charity who helps families who lost big time in this pandemic and if that’s not available there’s always little kids with cancer.

:bigbow:

Mohawksin 03-24-2021 06:31 AM

Does not qualify for stimulus check?
 
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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920132)
I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?

dewilson58 03-24-2021 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohawksin (Post 1920307)
>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?

???
Probably income level.
:shrug:

Bill Torres 03-24-2021 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920165)
Agree with you 99%. We are different in that no generation will ever repay these loans. The debt rating for the US will be equal to that of Venezuela and remember my words, in a few years you will see run-a-way inflation and this country's primary language will be Spanish and the Chinese will be our landlords.

I’m glad I am bilingual.

cegallup 03-24-2021 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1920153)
"Yes, debt has to be repaid when it comes due. But maturing debt can be replaced with newly issued debt. Rolling over the debt in this manner means that it need never be “paid back.” Indeed, it may even grow over time in line with the scale of the economy’s operations as measured by population or GDP."
Source:
Does the National Debt Matter?| St. Louis Fed

If people think we can just keep printing / borrowing money ad infinitum, they DO NOT really understand Economics. Euphoria ends when the chickens come home.

jbrown132 03-24-2021 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief. If they were really interested in helping people and stimulating the Economy they could have given $10K to everybody in the form of debit cards which could have been used to pay mortgages, rent or to go out and buy goods and services that would help employ people. In the end we probably would have saved a trillion dollars. This is typical of Washington. Throw the people a bone then pay off all your friends and supporters.

Cipris58 03-24-2021 07:07 AM

Stimulus Checks
 
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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1920117)
*yawn* you're preaching to the choir pal. Our take come is < $40k and we're doing just grand without the handout/payoff.

You can always pass it on to more fortunate.

Jerry Leinsing 03-24-2021 07:07 AM

Then when all you well off donate your stimulus checks to the Wildwood Soup Kitchen and all the local pantries around the villages, you will fead your poor neighborhoods and get a nice tax deduction next year. I love America!

dewilson58 03-24-2021 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by richs631 (Post 1920329)
I for one are sick and tired of those bashing people in the villages who have money. I worked two f-in jobs my whole life, paid more than my fair share of taxes and saved so I could enjoy retirement. If you have a F-in problem talk to the idiots you voted into office. I’m not apologizing for my wealth. I worked for it. And for those who bash me get up off your a$$ and get a job

Enjoy your retirement, you have earned it.
There are all levels of success............the American way.
:ho:

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bilcon 03-24-2021 07:15 AM

"Any man who thinks he can be prosperous and happy by letting the government support him should take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford

DaleDivine 03-24-2021 07:16 AM

:bigbow::bigbow:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

jbrown132 03-24-2021 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1920252)
I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

That doesn’t explain why before the pandemic gas was selling for two dollars a gallon. It’s was called energy independent.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-24-2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1920283)
So true I'm in the same boat. However that being said they were so many other things wrong with the stimulus package do you know that out of 1.9 trillion dollars only 480 million was actually a stimulus check. If the entire amount was a stimulus check and we each beginning about $5,000 per person. Also I always hear let's make the income tax fair I e raise it for people making more money, well why was this not giving up proportionately to those making less? So that may be those making under $50,000 would get 10,000, those between 50 and 100 we get $5,000, those between 100 and 150,000 we get just $1,000. And if it was so damn important why did it take almost 12 months between the 2nd and 3rd checks, well we really do know why but I can't talk about it on here

The 2nd and 3rd checks took a year because the previous administration felt that was what was needed at the time. Just like they felt that almost $2T was needed to provide massive tax cuts for the wealthy and very successful corporations. You know, the ones they said would save jobs, add millions of new jobs, and provide bonuses to employees. The ones that MOST employees never saw a dime of.

JMintzer 03-24-2021 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1920252)
I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-24-2021 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohawksin (Post 1920307)
>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?

They don't go to everybody. In fact, fewer people qualify this time around, because they lowered the income threshold to qualify. I have to wonder if some of you even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill, or if you just bought whatever hyperbolic vomitus some random political correspondent chose to spew into the camera.

SacDQ 03-24-2021 07:34 AM

The money given away is your money. When they create a unheard of amount of spending out of thin air you are handed the bill to cover the cost in INFLATION 💰💰💰

merrymini 03-24-2021 07:40 AM

The government is burying us in debt and sent most of it to clean up the mess is debt ridden states and abroad. Only a small fraction is going to Americans. Disgusting power play.

DeanFL 03-24-2021 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1920358)
They don't go to everybody. In fact, fewer people qualify this time around, because they lowered the income threshold to qualify. I have to wonder if some of you even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill, or if you just bought whatever hyperbolic vomitus some random political correspondent chose to spew into the camera.

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Did YOU "even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill" to actually see where so much of the $1.9 is REALLY going? Hmm, did you???

On that point, wait until the "Infrastruture Bill" - reportedly going to be $3 TRILLION - will be going to. Two words come to mind. Pork and Earmarks.
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rmd2 03-24-2021 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1920252)
I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

JanetMM 03-24-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1920140)
Our stimulus money will put to work a company that installs vinyl floors, a furniture store, and another company to install a new air conditioner. I call that a win-win.

In addition to all that your money will help the company that manufactures the vinyl floor, that makes the furniture, that ships the furniture and on. That is stimulating, isn’t it?

lpkruege1 03-24-2021 08:12 AM

Why is everyone worried about what someone else is getting? Worry more about what other countries are getting and who is going to have to pay this money back.

meridian5850 03-24-2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920132)
I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

We haven't needed any of the stimulus checks, so we decided at the outset to donate to favorite charities, spend it locally, and significantly overtip when dining out. I'm sure a great many of villagers have done the same.

Also, regarding your inflation claim - since the stimulus checks only made up 9% of the spending package, I'm pretty sure the other 91% of that pork spending will affect inflation to a much greater extent.

OrlandoAl 03-24-2021 08:25 AM

I sent a thank you note to my grandchildren for the $2800.

DAVES 03-24-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

There is a tremendous difference between what we are told and REALITY. Checks for lost income due to Corona virus. Retired people here and everywhere, getting checks.
HUH, they are not working. Can't get to work due to corona virus? Pure insanity.

Where is this money coming from-the printing press. Sooner or later people, the world will realize the dollar is a nice print job. The full faith and credit of the United States.
I don't think anyone does not wonder about the full faith and credit of the United States and it's declining value.

Bill14564 03-24-2021 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1920344)
That doesn’t explain why before the pandemic gas was selling for two dollars a gallon. It’s was called energy independent.

Was it selling for under $2/gallon?

This chart shows otherwise. I see no reason to doubt its accuracy but if there is a better source of information I would be interested in it.

daddys55 03-24-2021 08:40 AM

Stimulus
 
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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

Don't worry with the gas prices and taxes going up you will pay it back ten fold

Jokomo 03-24-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1920170)
The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

The Federal Deficit was $439 billion in 2015. You’re aiming at the wrong enemy.

jebartle 03-24-2021 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1920292)
i read a good portion of the stimulus is going to foreign countries

Please fact check.

blueash 03-24-2021 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1920391)
Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

Oh please, what foolishness you've been fed. The cancelled "pipeline" is not built and has not moved a single drop of crude. Its existence sometime in the future or its cancellation has exactly ZERO influence on the price of oil today. Same with the claim posted that the executive actions cancelling drilling permits which have not been issued and have produced nothing has no influence on the price of oil today. The US exports oil to over 100 different countries. This has not changed since Jan 20th. The big increase in US oil production happened under the administration that was in office from 2009 to 2017. I know you don't hear that from some news sources which continuously tell you how terrible the energy policy has been.

Gas was 1.88 a year ago because the country and the world were shutting down. Demand was down as no one knew how deep the economic consequences of Covid were going to be. Now things are improving, so demand is up. This is so simple even Fox News should understand it. But when their experts later claim that no reasonable person should believe them, I can't find fault with your falling victim to such misinformation.

Carlsondm 03-24-2021 08:51 AM

The economy is in trouble and families are hurting. The stimulus will help many to survive, and help others to stimulate the economy slightly. It is only a bump to help the worker bees. I am not getting a check and never have, but I am not against helping others. I know some who are giving their checks to others .. caregivers. Please don’t prejudge.

We all need too ‘bump’ out of this pandemic and return to a semblance of normalcy.
Florida is still a viral playground. Wait 2-4 weeks and note the effects of spring breaks.

BlackhawksFan 03-24-2021 08:54 AM

Look my family (we aren't Villagers but it's in my backyard) unfortunately is one who needs this help. Both my brother and I lost our jobs last year and we struggle to stay afloat making a mortgage payment, taxes, utilities, my car payment, auto insurance, groceries. It's tough but we're here and we have each other to lean on.

I'm really glad some of you don't need the money. Do what Winston said, put it back into our community. Get take out, tip well. Buy something you always wanted. Many businesses of all sizes are struggling too and by putting that money out there you help them feed their families.

This isn't a political issue, it's an American issue and I'm glad the government is helping our own when we need it.


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