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jebartle 03-24-2021 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1920330)
The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief. If they were really interested in helping people and stimulating the Economy they could have given $10K to everybody in the form of debit cards which could have been used to pay mortgages, rent or to go out and buy goods and services that would help employ people. In the end we probably would have saved a trillion dollars. This is typical of Washington. Throw the people a bone then pay off all your friends and supporters.

Please please fact check.

jebartle 03-24-2021 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1920355)
Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

hmmm! As a bonus it might, just might, help climate change.

justjim 03-24-2021 08:58 AM

Spot on
 
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1920116)
There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.

Spot on with this comment. Don’t you just love the myth that everyone living in The Villages is rich! Many of us worked for 40 years, avoided spending what we earned on “instant gratification”, saved all that we could for our retirement years, paid our taxes and now live comfortably in The Villages, FL. If that makes us rich, then so be it.

OhioBuckeye 03-24-2021 09:01 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

FG111 - I agree, also all the other FREE things. Wonder how long it’ll be before the U.S. goes bankrupt!

dewilson58 03-24-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1920443)
Spot on with this comment. Don’t you just love the myth that everyone living in The Villages is rich! Many of us worked for 40 years, avoided spending what we earned on “instant gratification”, saved all that we could for our retirement years, paid our taxes and now live comfortably in The Villages, FL. If that makes us rich, then so be it.

Rich is more than money.

jebartle 03-24-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1920369)
The government is burying us in debt and sent most of it to clean up the mess is debt ridden states and abroad. Only a small fraction is going to Americans. Disgusting power play.

Please, do us all a favor, and read the stimulus bill, and then, maybe then, we will all be better informed, and not pass on misinformation.

fraurose 03-24-2021 09:03 AM

You don’t have an idea what this is about !
I would say educate yourself on this matter.

Two Bills 03-24-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1920391)
Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

What pipeline?
The rate was so low because demand was not there.

Cheiro 03-24-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

The stimulus is just that, to stimulate the economy and the vast majority of folks who will receive it will truly need it. As for those who do not need the money, they have a couple of choices. They can always return it, or better yet, donate it to a worthy charity. A charity will certainly be able to spend the money and stimulate the economy.

Petersweeney 03-24-2021 09:07 AM

Someone bought my old golf cart with their family’s stimulus check and I coupled it with my family’s stimulus check to stimulate my credit card company to the tune of 8400 - now I’m not going to complain.

Two Bills 03-24-2021 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1920391)
Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

What pipeline?
The rate was so low because demand was not there.

fraurose 03-24-2021 09:13 AM

I 100 percent agree with you !
Hopefully there will read this.

yabbadu 03-24-2021 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

Just give yours back.......Easy peasy:bigbow:

Marty94 03-24-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JanetMM (Post 1920393)
In addition to all that your money will help the company that manufactures the vinyl floor, that makes the furniture, that ships the furniture and on. That is stimulating, isn’t it?

I think that depends on where those products are made. So many of our available products are made in China. Personally, I don’t think a country that is responsible for a pandemic should be rewarded, but many folks will be using their stimulus checks to purchase Chinese products and that I don’t support.

I also don’t support money going to prisoners. The argument to give them money was on the premise that they have families that might need that money, but I would counter-argue that family member may qualify on their own and many do not have families.

When my brother was attacked a few years ago by a meth head and left disabled, he refused to let his injuries get the best of him. He worked hard to regain the ability to walk and went back to work as soon as he could. He still suffers from his injuries. His assailant is still in prison. He will get a stimulus check; my brother who is faithfully paying his taxes will not. Our government made the decision to give checks to prisoners. I do not support this and I do not see how anyone in good conscience could do so.

jebartle 03-24-2021 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by meridian5850 (Post 1920407)
We haven't needed any of the stimulus checks, so we decided at the outset to donate to favorite charities, spend it locally, and significantly overtip when dining out. I'm sure a great many of villagers have done the same.

Also, regarding your inflation claim - since the stimulus checks only made up 9% of the spending package, I'm pretty sure the other 91% of that pork spending will affect inflation to a much greater extent.

Have you read the bill? Define pork please, federal "pork" is on the way for Florida. A little compassion goes a long way for folks that are less fortunate. Sometimes saving any amount of money is impossible with illness and unexpected circumstances. I know that the Villages has more compassion than is displayed on this post.

Ptmckiou 03-24-2021 09:20 AM

Not a scam
 
It’s not a scam. It’s called a “stimulus” for a reason. Do your part, and SPEND IT! That is the whole point. Flood the economy with money and get things rolling again. Concentrate on the 95% that need it, and not the 5% that don’t. Most Americans are extremely thankful for the additional help.

Two Bills 03-24-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1920355)
Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

I am sure the Oil Industry is all about politics, but I was replying to a post regarding the present rise in oil prices.
Which over the last year was due to basic supply and demand, which was worldwide and not anything to do with politics.
Future price rises may be affected by political decisions in the USA. I leave that to the Wall Street Traders to speculate on!

As foot note.
Gas in the UK is today is $8.18 a gallon.
Diesel today is $8.66 a gallon!

Love2Swim 03-24-2021 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920165)
Agree with you 99%. We are different in that no generation will ever repay these loans. The debt rating for the US will be equal to that of Venezuela and remember my words, in a few years you will see run-a-way inflation and this country's primary language will be Spanish and the Chinese will be our landlords.

:1rotfl:

Love2Swim 03-24-2021 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptmckiou (Post 1920470)
It’s not a scam. It’s called a “stimulus” for a reason. Do your part, and SPEND IT! That is the whole point. Flood the economy with money and get things rolling again. Concentrate on the 95% that need it, and not the 5% that don’t. Most Americans are extremely thankful for the additional help.

:bigbow:

amsajeti 03-24-2021 09:33 AM

leave 100 200 300 dollar tips. make some ones day. it will make you feel good

tvbound 03-24-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1920141)
That always makes me want to bite. I have noticed a good many people who live in The Villages were very poor to begin with and many worked two jobs, or 16 hour days and were on call every vacation in their life. Maybe they aren't WEALTHY but some have enough to be envied, and that is what happens, they are envied. It didn't just fall on them or get willed to them. I wonder what those folks who envy the financially comfortable say to their kids, hmmm. Do your homework, don't miss school, work toward your goal. Don't waste your money, get ahead, be a success, but for God's sake don't come home and tell me you are the CEO of a huge company.........

Sorry, but for tens of millions of hard working Americans, "envy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just a continued disgust with giving tax cuts to those who need it the absolute least (and those who see no problem with this inequity), while those who need it the most - get nothing more than crumbs. Because we are more fortunate than most, we don't have a problem with contributing more than most.

blueash 03-24-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1920330)
The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief..

This is a bald faced lie circulating on social media and spread by people who do not take the time to actually do anything even approaching a fact check. 9% of the bill was for vaccines, testing, and contact tracing, and other public health measures. But that is not the only Covid relief provided. So read the bill, or read the summary or read a fact check. Here are a few fact checks on your lie:

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill this one is before the Senate made a few changes.

PolitiFact | Budd says 9% of stimulus targets COVID, the rest is 'not even' related again before the final bill language

FactChecking Cruz's Partisan Spin on COVID-19 Bill - FactCheck.org

By the way, where did the $1,400 per person figure originate that is provided by this third stimulus program? In Dec 2020 the second stimulus program passed and was signed by Trump. It included a $600 per person check. He went on twitter and TV and complained that it should have been $2000 per person.

Congress accepted his suggestion and took his $2000 per person figure, subtracted the $600 paid in December 2020 and agreed to pay the difference of $1400 with this law. How quickly people forget or get brainwashed into forgetting.

Cindy619 03-24-2021 10:04 AM

Don't need it? Give it away! It's fun... :)

blueash 03-24-2021 10:09 AM

From pairadocs
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never in their lives failed to pay their income taxes (unlike a number of IRS and other government employees, and that's certainly NOT a reflection on the many ethical retired government employees who live in our community, just a reference to the well publicized fact that a very high percentage of tax cheats work for the government compared to the population in general)
I tried to find any online statement supporting your "well publicized fact" and found none. Perhaps you'd like to come back and give a few links to that well publicized fact.

algi45 03-24-2021 10:16 AM

Scamming? Strong words, though irrelevant. The law is the law. Those who are receiving the checks are entitled per act of congress.

tvbound 03-24-2021 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1920500)
From pairadocs

I tried to find any online statement supporting your "well publicized fact" and found none. Perhaps you'd like to come back and give a few links to that well publicized fact.

A whole lot of people seem to be allergic to actual facts and prefer to just run with anything said, that supports their own uninformed opinion. It's much appreciated that you, and a few others, actually provide links to facts and the truth.

allsport 03-24-2021 10:38 AM

If you did not yell about the tax cut for the rich, this has zero credibility.

Stu from NYC 03-24-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1920517)
If you did not yell about the tax cut for the rich, this has zero credibility.

The problem with your statement is the "rich" do spend a lot that helps to create jobs and also invests in business that also helps to create jobs.

A lot of what the govt does in taking money from us is they spend it very wastefully.

conman5652@aol.com 03-24-2021 10:48 AM

You must not believe that this rescue package is needed. The stimulus check is give the economy a quick start to get people back work. As for republicans be fiscal conservatives. Don’t go there. That boat sales when Bush took over after Clinton left office and so did balance budgets

Lil GTO 03-24-2021 11:03 AM

The way I see it the government has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from me in my 55+ years of working if they want to give me some of my own money back so be it.

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.


Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-24-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1920490)
Sorry, but for tens of millions of hard working Americans, "envy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just a continued disgust with giving tax cuts to those who need it the absolute least (and those who see no problem with this inequity), while those who need it the most - get nothing more than crumbs. Because we are more fortunate than most, we don't have a problem with contributing more than most.


Can you give me some examples of these tax cuts for the rich?

sanman8285 03-24-2021 11:55 AM

That is not a fair assumption. what about the people that actually save the money did right by themselves to afford a house paid off cash and live on an income that they worked for that they pay taxes for what about the people that are collecting the stimulus money have not worked a day in their life and are driving $80,000 cars and not paying rent or mortgage?

aallbrand 03-24-2021 12:44 PM

No way for Government to help only who need so yes in helping those in need some will benefit who should not. This is chump change in comparison to crooked and disorganized ear marks and government contracts wasted over the last 50 years. Lets be happy that government wasted some money on those who actually pay taxes

Cheryl Barrios 03-24-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1920126)
Its strange how we get our panties in a wade when giving stimulus to those helping to bump the economy, but when we need to give tax breaks to the wealthy, no problem. Hmmmm!

I am on a fixed income that includes a small pension and $156 from SS each month. Because of that, I get nothing from the government for stimulus. Could I use the money to stimulate the economy? Yes, just as much if not more than the next guy. Does it make me angry that I don't get it because I have a pension check even though it is small and SS? Yes. I have worked my entire life - and worked hard. Just because of this I get nothing. I don't like handouts but so many are getting them that don't need them that I'd like to get my fair share. I would appreciate lower taxes or no income taxes just as much.

jimjamuser 03-24-2021 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FG111 (Post 1920104)
President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

I personally would have LOWERED the cut-off AGI to 1/2 that or even $50K for an individual. I would give those under $50K more than $ 14,000. So, I agree that the MOST needy should get the stimulus checks. Unfortunately, the government has to do stimulus in broad strokes. There is no computer program that could perfectly calculate which individuals have the most NEED - yearly AGI is a broad brush that is easy for the government to use. The important thing is that RENTERS were about to be thrown out into the street and the government needed to react QUICKLY. There may be, in the near future, some relief from CV because of the increase in vaccine shots distribution. Hopefully, that brings back jobs. And this stimulus could help the economy to stabilize. It had to be done and I would NOT have voted against it!

golfing eagles 03-24-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheryl Barrios (Post 1920577)
I am on a fixed income that includes a small pension and $156 from SS each month. Because of that, I get nothing from the government for stimulus. Could I use the money to stimulate the economy? Yes, just as much if not more than the next guy. Does it make me angry that I don't get it because I have a pension check even though it is small and SS? Yes. I have worked my entire life - and worked hard. Just because of this I get nothing. I don't like handouts but so many are getting them that don't need them that I'd like to get my fair share. I would appreciate lower taxes or no income taxes just as much.

OK, but your "small pension" must total $73,128/ year since you only get $1872/year in SS and stimulus checks were given out this time to those with income under $75,000. Then please define "fair share". Do you believe you paid your "fair share" of taxes all your life?

jimjamuser 03-24-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1920116)
There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.

It is a known economic principle that stimulus money given to any higher-income folks often is NOT spent! That money has less "velocity" or good effect on the economy. It is put into savings accounts or gold or some other non-productive-to-the-economy holding place.

golfing eagles 03-24-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1920581)
I personally would have LOWERED the cut-off AGI to 1/2 that or even $50K for an individual. I would give those under $50K more than $ 14,000. So, I agree that the MOST needy should get the stimulus checks. Unfortunately, the government has to do stimulus in broad strokes. There is no computer program that could perfectly calculate which individuals have the most NEED - yearly AGI is a broad brush that is easy for the government to use. The important thing is that RENTERS were about to be thrown out into the street and the government needed to react QUICKLY. There may be, in the near future, some relief from CV because of the increase in vaccine shots distribution. Hopefully, that brings back jobs. And this stimulus could help the economy to stabilize. It had to be done and I would NOT have voted against it!

However, this was intended as a STIMULUS check, NOT a welfare check. That being said, I would have gone one step further than you. The checks should only go to those whose income was adversely affected by COVID. NOT to those already mooching off the taxpayer on perpetual welfare, NOT to those retired and living off investments that haven't changed. These are the people who will spend the $$$ and stimulate the economy. I struggled to give away the last 2 $600 payments to workers, now I'm stuck with $1400 to give away. I didn't want it, I don't need it, but I'm glad the government put it in my hands so I can direct it to those that do need it, since the government is basically clueless.

golfing eagles 03-24-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1920583)
It is a known economic principle that stimulus money given to any higher-income folks often is NOT spent! That money has less "velocity" or good effect on the economy. It is put into savings accounts or gold or some other non-productive-to-the-economy holding place.

That may be the first thing you ever posted that I agree with :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 03-24-2021 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1920584)
That is worth repeating, great post! Kudos!

Since you agree with that statement, perhaps you could tell Dr. Boogie just what tax breaks for "the wealthy" the OP was referring to?


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