Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1948347)

And I'll say what I said the last time: if leagues were not divided by gender in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue at all. No more mens' teams and womens' teams. Just teams.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1948406)

I don't see why not. Any sport can be divided by something OTHER than gender. If females have a lower capacity for brute strength, then you can have a "lower strength" league. Like you have bantam-weight and lightweight fighting matches. You wouldn't pit a heavyweight fighter with a bantam-weight fighter. Why not? They're all male aren't they? So why aren't they all fighting each other? Because it wouldn't be much of a fight. Because the fights are matched based on weight, not on gender.

But I'll bet if you chose to select teams based on ability, rather than gender, you'd come up with a decent mix of people. And sure - one set of teams might end up being all men. But it wouldn't be required that their gender be male. It would simply be the natural result of selecting by ability. They'd compete against each other NOT because they're men, but because they all fit within a certain standard of ability. And if it just so happens that you get a woman, or a transgender, or a hermaphrodite, or someone who claims no gender at all, who is able to bat home runs better than Hank Aaron, well then you should be grateful she/they/he is in your league and not be too concerned that their genitals look different from yours.

If you can do A, B, and C proficiently, then you are in THIS league.
If you can do A, B, and C only moderately, then you are in THAT league.
If you can do A, B, and C excellently, you belong in THAT OTHER league.

All are open to any gender, no gender, unsure gender, whatever gender. Gender ceases to matter.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1948485)

And after you do all that, what have you really accomplished. Strike a victory for women's lib and liberalism? BFD

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1948925)

You'd lose that bet.

Men will be stronger and faster regardless of "weight class"...

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1948934)

After you reject it and expend vast amounts of energy rejecting it, what have YOU really accomplished? Proven that you have a big e-peen and making all the denture-wearing old biddies in the world hot for your ace viagra skills? BFD

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1948937)

You missed that.

I used prizefighting as an example of what I was talking about. Obviously weight doesn't matter when you're talking about golf. You'd need a different set of criteria. Whether or not you are possessed of a p.e.n.i.s. or vagina or both or neither should be absolutely, positively, unequivocally irrelevant.

Edit: ridiculous periods between the letters of the word because apparently ToTV is too immature to accept the actual word. Interesting that it has no problem with the word vagina though.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1949013)

If you actually read my response, I said "regardless of weight"...

Smaller men still have an physical advantage over women of the same size...

You know... Science...

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1949020)

And again - I refer you to the word "ability."

Ability doesn't equate with size.

A 13-year-old 100-pound 5'0" geeky girl with a 170iq is no less able to do things that require a high IQ than a 30-year-old 170-pound 5'10" guy who has a perfect 6-pack and can lift 240 pounds with one hand.

A short, slender, agile but not muscular amateur league golfer female who has 20 years experience playing and has 11 holes in one recorded in league play, is no less capable of being on a man's league than a heavier, taller, more muscular male with 20 years of experience playing with 11 holes in one recorded in league play.

A female bowler with a 235 average is no less capable of bowling a 300 than a male bowler with a 235 average.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1949022)

I totally disagree. Apparently, you have never golfed.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1949028)

No I haven't but I have a basic idea.

An ace is an ace. If you can only get 11 aces in 20 years, and I can get 11 aces in the same 20 years, on the same course, then if we're playing a game where an ace matters, we'd be evenly matched. And it wouldn't matter how long your drive is, whether you use irons or woods or sand wedges or whatever other fancy doodads you have. It wouldn't matter if you have 4 more muscles than I have, or if you're playing with an eyepatch covering one eye. If we are both capable of the exact same thing, no more than the other, then we are evenly matched.

If you are more capable than I am, then we're not evenly matched. You'd go be with a group of people who are more capable. I'd be with a group that is less capable. And that might include men. It might include transgenders. It might include men who identify as women but are still men, and women who identify as men but are still women. I don't care who it is. I don't care how tall, short, fat, thin they are, whether their boobs are bigger or smaller than mine, or whether they pee standing up or copping a squat. I care only that we are evenly matched in ability.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1949036)

The average male pro can drive a lot further than an average female. There is that upper body strength you overlook.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1948934)

After you reject it and expend vast amounts of energy rejecting it, what have YOU really accomplished? Proven that you have a big e-peen and making all the denture-wearing old biddies in the world hot for your ace viagra skills? BFD

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1949039)

The average male who fits into the category of "people who can drive XXX yards" will be exactly equal to the average female who fits into the category of "people who can drive XXX yards."

There are female pro golfers who put some of those pro male golfers to shame. Being able to hit far doesn't mean being able to hit accurately.