As a manager non-Union I was required to donate a percentage of my wages to a PAC, refusing was a sentence of death for promotions.
The monetary amount contributed was substantially more than the Union dues.

I'm sorry you have that view of unions. I'm not sure what unions you're talking about, but when I left working in the field and took over as a rep, I made much less than before and was on the clock 24/7 and was on a plane covering my district twice a month. Like I said in an earlier posting the only reasons union exist is because there is a need for them. When it comes to negotiation most members and employer have outlandish expectations and that what is usually the first thing that hits the table. The big goal is that there will be some meeting of the minds to avoid a strike.
In this case that is not what happened and both sides are at fault.

The subject of PAC money has been raised. Our union supported and anyone that support our cause, it didn't matter what side of the isle they were on, and employers do the same. It's the cost of doing business, if I had my why neither side should be subjected to this.
But as we all know as long as there are politicians involved, they will always be someone with their hand out for cash in exchange for a favor.

They need to realise that they will be working themselves right out of a good paying job.

Greed
 

Exactly, They better realise that they will be working themselves right out of a job.

Funny how Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mitsubishi, and more which all assemble vehicles in USA not effected isn’t it. Maybe little three needs to use their business model.

Hard to compete with average 5.25 wage in Mexico for auto workers isn’t it.

Unions made this country. Corporate greed! Union workers' wages haven't kept up with inflation over the past 10 to 15 years. 40% increase of $18 hourly wage only gets them to $25 an hour. Corporate Greed!

Chump change to some CEOs. Notice they never mention gov motors or others isn’t it?

Amazing to me that everyone is blaming the union workers for wanting a higher wage, yet no one blinks an eye about the upper management making millions of dollars. The distance between the middle class and upper class continue to widen at an astronomical pace. Remember, unions are why workers get holidays, vacation, pensions and safe work environments.

Agree IMO why majority of manufacturing flea overseas. Hard to compete with 5.25 or less hourly wage.

When the government made North American trade the forgot to add hourly wage fairness. No fair trade without level field.

Big 3 total labor cost are 10% of the total equation. UAW is asking for everything knowing that they will settle for less. Middle class last stand. Retired UAW member here in the Villages,glade I could be here among all the union haters.

You have a source for this claim or are you just throwing out numbers you've 'heard'? Here's what NBC Business News has to say about UAW wages, "Maximum average hourly wages are $31.77 at Stellantis, $32 at Ford and $32.32 at GM." (Emphasis mine) Why the UAW wants big raises from the '''Big Three''' automakers

Totally one-sided garbage. Management at the Big Three created their own path to 'destruction' by ignoring styling and especially engineering, instead concentrating solely on profits while relying on image and brand-loyalty to maintain their market share. Others, including dealerships and the unions, may share the blame for reduced sales and profit, but dropping this at the feet of the UAW is ridiculous.

There is a simple solution instead of the union getting a raise of any kind which a lot of the posters here seem to have a problem with. Get the CEO to get a pay reduction at the same percent the union gave when the auto makers were in trouble. Let see how fast the CEOs jump on that band wagon. I'm sure it won't be until hell freezes over.

UAW may strike!
 

In the mid 1960's I worked at GM in MA as a spot welder. On the welding line was a machine covered in cloth. When I asked my co--workers, what is that? Answer, an automated spot welding machine that the union dictates will not be used so as not to take away a dues paying employee. Soon after, Japanese cars ruled

In the mid 1960's I worked at GM in MA as a spot welder. On the welding line was a machine covered in cloth. When I asked my co--workers, what is that? Answer, an automated spot welding machine that the union dictates will not be used so as not to take away a dues paying employee. Soon after, Japanese cars ruled

Many believe union worker are overpaid and demanding too much, many believe that CEOs compensation is off the charts. As I posted earlier maybe everyone should enter into an agreement of profit sharing. Open up the books for everyone to see. Then negotiate what is considered a fair share for CEOs, workers and let’s not forget the investors. This taken unions and CEOs out of the mix and in the end, investors might come out ahead.

That is a pretty anti-union statement. Unions build up the middle class. A strong middle class makes for a strong Democracy. Historically, after WW2 the US middle class was at its strongest and due, in large part, to manufacturing and a large % of Union workers. US families were confident and stated that the next generation will be better off than the previous one. About 1975, that all changed - families no longer stated that the next generation would be better off. That was about the time that the US middle class began to wither. Unions were circumvented by moving factories 1st to the South, then Mexico, then Vietnam, and finally to China. Union membership kept dropping until a slight comeback recently. From 1975 until about 2010 factory workers and most blue-collar workers got ZERO average wage increases, when cost of living is factored in.
........We managed to make China a powerhouse and a strategic enemy, all for the purpose of eliminating the US middle class so that WEALTH could drift upward to the upper 10 or 15 %. Internal revenue laws and income levels were IMPOSED in about 1990 to maintain the WEALTH in the pockets of the upper 15%. Today the MEGA wealthy dominate US business, society, and government.
.........Is US society more stable today than it was in the 1950s through 1975 after the decimation of unions and the middle class? You-all know that question answers itself. Today we are less stable, more chaotic, and WITHOUT a strong middle class. Most Americans would say that their children will NOT be better off than they are. Meanwhile, China has a larger navy than the US and could flex that muscle at any moment about Taiwan.
.........Did the US middle-class benefit from the outsourcing starting around 1970?
...........Also, why is it that Germany values its UNIONS - and Management and Unions get along patriotically? Germany is doing fine economically. And their union people get off 1 month per year.

Stephen Curry Golden State Warriers $51 million. Sounds Fair!!! Salary has no relationship to the lowest paid Golden State Warrier employee.

A.I. could replace lower or middle management, but 1st A.I. in combination with robotics would replace blue-collar workers. As far as replacing top executives, that is unlikely because once WEALTH moves FROM the middle class TO the Upper class, it does NOT move back except through a war or revolution.
.......If A.I. and robotics decided to eliminate humans (as in MANY Sci-Fi movies) - then ALL bets are off!

Nothing wrong with mex. Made vehicles.
 

My last two vehicles were made in mexico and I drove them for 27 years total..

I believe that I heard that more US cars are made in Mexico than in the US. That may be good for upper management, which gave themselves 40% raises (on top of already BIG salaries) - but is it good for middle America and America in general? I would say.....NOT.
.........Was it NOT Henry Ford who said he wanted to PAY his workers well so that THEY could afford to buy a new Ford? If the US is helping Mexico and the Mexican worker, then maybe we could ask them NICELY to please control the illegal border crossings.
.........Funny how Japan and Toyota can make vehicles profitably here IN the US of A, but we CAN'T. Might have something to do with profit and GREED.

Would most MIT graduates be good at putting a tire on a car?
.......Imagine a society where everyone was a Medical Doctor or a rocket scientist.

A 4-day workweek has advantages. It would be good for teachers because it would cut down the costs for school buses. And for auto workers or other factory or office workers, it would decrease the gasoline used to commute and cut pollution. Also, cut down on traffic accidents and slowdowns, which waste gas and waste time.

They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.

They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.

Tesla makes a lot of its EVs right here in the USA and makes a very healthy profit. Also huge plants in Shanghai and Germany. And planning more. Not unionized and apparently workers are very busy and happy.

Unfortunately the legacy car firms here in the USA cannot compete easily. Volkswagen and Toyota will be in serious trouble in a few years- laggards in EV tech. Matter of fact all car firms in Japan may be in serious trouble within five years.

Disruption in the auto industry worldwide. Beware when Chinese EV makers sell in the USA. Many are very very good and can undercut others. Just like in the 80s when Japan came to USA. Luckily Tesla will flourish here and other countries.

Unions and management work it out well in Germany. Why NOT here?

Please take into account my other posts on this matter. I do not want to repeat them.
1. How many of their own dollars have the unions put at risk, i.e. invested into business and stood the chance of losing?
2. Which workers that are the subject of this thread are making $18 per hour? I did not see anywhere near that figure, but I may have missed it.
3. Corporate Greed. How much of your money do you invest for the purpose of making the lives of the workers better rather than getting a good rate of return?

I am for smaller government and support capitalism. But, I think (without putting time into studying the pros and cons) I am completely in favor of tariffs on those goods that are outsourced to countries and then brought back in for sale when those countries have tariffs on goods being sold there. I believe the American worker deserves for the goverment to provide them with a level playing field within which to compete, not guaranteed outcomes or income.

EVs are 8% of new car sales in the US. They are about 20% in Europe.

1.Should they get paid the same for those 4 days as they do for 5? if so, why?
2.Is it better for the students? Quite funny when analyzing education practices, the effect on students (the primary mission of schools) was not mentioned.

After you posted this last time, someone else said it had been rising and just reached 6%. Do you have a source?

If E-vehicles have fewer parts and labor costs are lower, why are e-vehicles more expensive than the ICE version of the same vehicle?

How then to explain why unions are so popular in Germany?

Imagine a society where the person putting the tire on a car made the same amount as the people who risked their money to build a factory to build the car that the person was putting the tire on with no risk to their money.

Fair may be THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in life. That's why we have laws.

Must be a mid westerner. Low pay, no benefits, poor education, no union of course.
Interesting how people who didn't have the fortitude to start a union now hate unions. Gee, I wonder why? Pitiful.

Japanese companies can make vehicles profitably here because they do not have something the big 3 have. UNIONS with a much higher wage rate.

Union work rules do slow down production and productivity at many companies.

No clue whatsoever. I will even have to take your word that that is a true statement. I have enough trouble trying not to make a fool of myself with U.S. things without wading into other countries goingson.

Wow. If you EXPECT fairness, you must live a miserable existence. Your expectations would be dashed most everywhere you turn. A unmet expectatons are a primary source of anger.

I thought we had laws for justice though, not fairness. I've been wrong before though.
Can you provide an example of a law that is intended to ensure fairness.