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jimjamuser 09-15-2023 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257060)
Who actually believes that life is or is supposed to be fair?
What does fair actually mean in this case?
Fair may be THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in life. That's why we have laws.

LoisR 09-15-2023 01:59 PM
Must be a mid westerner. Low pay, no benefits, poor education, no union of course.
Interesting how people who didn't have the fortitude to start a union now hate unions. Gee, I wonder why? Pitiful.

Stu from NYC 09-15-2023 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257226)
I believe that I heard that more US cars are made in Mexico than in the US. That may be good for upper management, which gave themselves 40% raises (on top of already BIG salaries) - but is it good for middle America and America in general? I would say.....NOT.
.........Was it NOT Henry Ford who said he wanted to PAY his workers well so that THEY could afford to buy a new Ford? If the US is helping Mexico and the Mexican worker, then maybe we could ask them NICELY to please control the illegal border crossings.
.........Funny how Japan and Toyota can make vehicles profitably here IN the US of A, but we CAN'T. Might have something to do with profit and GREED.
Japanese companies can make vehicles profitably here because they do not have something the big 3 have. UNIONS with a much higher wage rate.

Union work rules do slow down production and productivity at many companies.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257247)
How then to explain why unions are so popular in Germany?
No clue whatsoever. I will even have to take your word that that is a true statement. I have enough trouble trying not to make a fool of myself with U.S. things without wading into other countries goingson.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257250)
Fair may be THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in life. That's why we have laws.
Wow. If you EXPECT fairness, you must live a miserable existence. Your expectations would be dashed most everywhere you turn. A unmet expectatons are a primary source of anger.

I thought we had laws for justice though, not fairness. I've been wrong before though.
Can you provide an example of a law that is intended to ensure fairness.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 2257251)
Must be a mid westerner. Low pay, no benefits, poor education, no union of course.
Interesting how people who didn't have the fortitude to start a union now hate unions. Gee, I wonder why? Pitiful.
Can you please provide an example of unions making education better in your neck of the woods?

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257234)
They could lower their labor costs by making E-vehicles, which have fewer parts.
And fire those union workers? Not very "pro-middle class" of you...

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257242)
EVs are 8% of new car sales in the US. They are about 20% in Europe.
No they aren't...

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257244)
After you posted this last time, someone else said it had been rising and just reached 6%. Do you have a source?
Of course not...

P.S. I'm the one who actually looked up the #

Topspinmo 09-15-2023 02:46 PM
The big three should collude together and fire them all. Start over with foreign auto makers business model in this country. I don’t hear none of them complaining?…. Once electric vehicles pickup won’t need half of them anyway.

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257246)
If E-vehicles have fewer parts and labor costs are lower, why are e-vehicles more expensive than the ICE version of the same vehicle?
CORPORATE GREEEEED!

Oh, wait, they lose money on every EV they sell...

Ford loses $32K per EV...

From NPR: "Ford's numbers work out to a loss of about $32,000 per EV that it sold in the second quarter, compared to a profit of $3,200 per vehicle sold by the Ford Blue division. "

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257247)
How then to explain why unions are so popular in Germany?
They have a completely different culture...

JMintzer 09-15-2023 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257250)
Fair may be THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in life. That's why we have laws.
Complete nonsense...

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257242)
EVs are 8% of new car sales in the US. They are about 20% in Europe.
I wasted my time to go look this up.
Sales of electric cars in the EU broke records in 2022. Which country in Europe is leading the way? | Euronews

"Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) - pure electric vehicles - also broke records in 2022, taking 12.1 per cent of the total market share, compared to 9.1 per cent in 2021, or 1.9 per cent in 2019."

If you round up to the nearest 20% then about 20% is an accurate statement. But then again that would be true if there were .1%.
So, basically it is a lie.

Do you have a better source? Or since about 100% of your statements are wrong (rounding up to the nearest 100%), should we just ignore your posts?

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2257195)
Many believe union worker are overpaid and demanding too much, many believe that CEOs compensation is off the charts. As I posted earlier maybe everyone should enter into an agreement of profit sharing. Open up the books for everyone to see. Then negotiate what is considered a fair share for CEOs, workers and let’s not forget the investors. This taken unions and CEOs out of the mix and in the end, investors might come out ahead.
I believe that around 1980 Harley Davidson went bankrupt and the workers purchased the company (and did profit sharing, I think) and made it profitable and produced better motorcycles. Something like that happened with the Green Bay Packers also. The city owns them.


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