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Blackbird45 09-15-2023 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2257278)
The big three should collude together and fire them all. Start over with foreign auto makers business model in this country. I don’t hear none of them complaining?…. Once electric vehicles pickup won’t need half of them anyway.
Why stop with the big 3, let fire everybody. Everybody can sit home you can watch the economy tank. Then not only can you complain about the unions, you can complain about the government, why you can't put food on the table, maybe you can watch Wheel of Fortune, that of course there are any union workers to air the show. What a great world

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257290)
I believe that around 1980 Harley Davidson went bankrupt and the workers purchased the company (and did profit sharing, I think) and made it profitable and produced better motorcycles. Something like that happened with the Green Bay Packers also. The city owns them.
The City owns the Green Bay Packers and that is similar to profit sharing with employees???? I have got to go back to school and learn these new-fangled concepts. Wouldn't the players owning the team be the correct comparison??? Or are we asserting that the government should own the means of production for things? I'm not sure, but I think there is a word for that. starts with social....but I can't get the whole word to come to mind.

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2257236)
Tesla makes a lot of its EVs right here in the USA and makes a very healthy profit. Also huge plants in Shanghai and Germany. And planning more. Not unionized and apparently workers are very busy and happy.

Unfortunately the legacy car firms here in the USA cannot compete easily. Volkswagen and Toyota will be in serious trouble in a few years- laggards in EV tech. Matter of fact all car firms in Japan may be in serious trouble within five years.

Disruption in the auto industry worldwide. Beware when Chinese EV makers sell in the USA. Many are very very good and can undercut others. Just like in the 80s when Japan came to USA. Luckily Tesla will flourish here and other countries.
E-vehicles have great potential for profit because they use fewer parts. Also, they have some other advantages over piston internal Combustion engine vehicles. The US big 3 are trying to switch to EVs as fast as they can.

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257243)
1.Should they get paid the same for those 4 days as they do for 5? if so, why?
2.Is it better for the students? Quite funny when analyzing education practices, the effect on students (the primary mission of schools) was not mentioned.
In a school system, the 5th day could be done by personal computer at home.

Stu from NYC 09-15-2023 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2257287)
Complete nonsense...
Ever notice that some posters have an ax to grind and come here to do nothing but push their agenda?

mtdjed 09-15-2023 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257226)
I believe that I heard that more US cars are made in Mexico than in the US. That may be good for upper management, which gave themselves 40% raises (on top of already BIG salaries) - but is it good for middle America and America in general? I would say.....NOT.
.........Was it NOT Henry Ford who said he wanted to PAY his workers well so that THEY could afford to buy a new Ford? If the US is helping Mexico and the Mexican worker, then maybe we could ask them NICELY to please control the illegal border crossings.
.........Funny how Japan and Toyota can make vehicles profitably here IN the US of A, but we CAN'T. Might have something to do with profit and GREED.
We are not a self sufficient isolated island nation. The market place is global. There may be some technologies that we can protect but for the most part, manufacturing things like bricks, TV's, washing machines, automobiles can be globally produced and marketed. So, if you are in one of those markets, you have to have a competitive price. Price is a function of being competitive in quality and price. Price is a function of labor, overhead, material and profit. If you let anyone of those things to expand, you have to decrease others to remain viable. Labor goes up, automate or outsource. If you don't, you will go out of business.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257309)
In a school system, the 5th day could be done by personal computer at home.
Are you asserting that all students have a personal computer to access or that the government/schoo system should provide them for them all?
Are you asserting that virtual learning for school aged children is a effective as in person?

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257246)
If E-vehicles have fewer parts and labor costs are lower, why are e-vehicles more expensive than the ICE version of the same vehicle?
In ANY manufacturing process, the MORE units that are made, the lower the cost per unit. When E-vehicles are made in numbers equal to Internal Combustion numbers, THEN because of fewer parts for the EV, the EV costs will be LOWER.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2257311)
Ever notice that some posters have an ax to grind and come here to do nothing but push their agenda?
The post to which you replied stated "pure nonsense."
The post to which the pure nonsense was made was "Fair may be THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in life. That's why we have laws."

This is a legitimate question as I may have missed something in translation. Which post was yours in reference to? if it was the pure nonsense post, what was their axe to grind and what was the agenda?
sorry, not trying to be antagonistic (at least on this post) just trying to follow the conversation.

Cybersprings 09-15-2023 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257318)
In ANY manufacturing process, the MORE units that are made, the lower the cost per unit. When E-vehicles are made in numbers equal to Internal Combustion numbers, THEN because of fewer parts for the EV, the EV costs will be LOWER.

I know that is a general principal but is that ALWAYS true? Do we know that the components of batteries have a lower cost per unit as they increase, or might they be a scarce resource that increasing demand without the ability to easily increase supply would in fact increase the price per unit? Like TVs, cars and trucks as computer chips became scarce in the recent past? Or maybe the cost per unit actually increases until such time as a completely seperate supply chain has to be developed and some time down the road, who knows how far, the cost per unit MAY come down?

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257259)
Wow. If you EXPECT fairness, you must live a miserable existence. Your expectations would be dashed most everywhere you turn. A unmet expectatons are a primary source of anger.

I thought we had laws for justice though, not fairness. I've been wrong before though.
Can you provide an example of a law that is intended to ensure fairness.
Justice equals fairness. Today people would say something is a FAIR price. Years ago someone might have said that something is a JUST price.
.......Another example, Judges TRY to give the same sentence to different criminals for the same crime. They call it sentencing guidelines.

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257259)
Wow. If you EXPECT fairness, you must live a miserable existence. Your expectations would be dashed most everywhere you turn. A unmet expectatons are a primary source of anger.

I thought we had laws for justice though, not fairness. I've been wrong before though.
Can you provide an example of a law that is intended to ensure fairness.
I am perfectly happy. The world is basically FAIR. luck is also a big factor!

Robbb 09-15-2023 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2257299)
E-vehicles have great potential for profit because they use fewer parts. Also, they have some other advantages over piston internal Combustion engine vehicles. The US big 3 are trying to switch to EVs as fast as they can.
Yea I get all that but the fact is NO one is buying them. Last quarter GM sold a total of 3,300 ev cars.

Robbb 09-15-2023 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257261)
Can you please provide an example of unions making education better in your neck of the woods?
Unions in Minneapolis have made incredible advancements in education. 5 years ago 60% of children of color could not read at grade level, now 81% cannot read at grade level. With more funding they could easily reach 90% of kids unable to read at grade level.

jimjamuser 09-15-2023 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2257288)
I wasted my time to go look this up.
Sales of electric cars in the EU broke records in 2022. Which country in Europe is leading the way? | Euronews

"Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) - pure electric vehicles - also broke records in 2022, taking 12.1 per cent of the total market share, compared to 9.1 per cent in 2021, or 1.9 per cent in 2019."

If you round up to the nearest 20% then about 20% is an accurate statement. But then again that would be true if there were .1%.
So, basically it is a lie.

Do you have a better source? Or since about 100% of your statements are wrong (rounding up to the nearest 100%), should we just ignore your posts?
Some posters seem very picky and argumentative about every subject. Apparently, they have a NEED to feel superior. I would be honored if they would ignore me.


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