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Somehow not being for a city and being from a two parent family absolves them of guilt.
We know what you really mean.

This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.

If you did that, you'd need to point a finger at the parents - and THEIR parents, who brought up parents who are so lousy at parenting their own kids.

That would mean - pointing the finger at the vast majority of Villagers, since they ARE those grandparents who raised the generation that raised the current crop of teenagers.

And we can't have that. So instead, we blame the schools. Or we blame the "system." Or we blame the government, or we blame too many gun restrictions, not enough gun restrictions...

The problem is with the generations that created this toxic environment that the younger generation is now stuck living in.

I wonder how the number of guns per capita has changed over time?

Sounds like model parents to me. A lot like Rittenhouse’s mother. Who thinks it’s good parenting by taking their underage kid across state lines with an AK15 that he illegally possessed. I’m sure her day in court will come too.

People hv not learned how to take responsibility for their own actions.

Certain news stations constantly spew unjustness, people trying to replace us, anger, anger, that works up negativism and rage, to boost ratings. You can’t cut down a tree without a saw. Free for all gun ownership is dangerous. QUOTE=Number 10 GI;2037653]This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.[/QUOTE]

Nope, not "the vast majority" of Villagers. I do agree that it is lenient parents that are the root cause. But, contributing to that is the hippy ideology taught in our public schools and lack of discipline. The radical brainwashing on TV programs doesn't help either. Violent games being allowed by parents at home, is not helpful.

I imagine that the number of guns have always been on the increase. The TOTAL number of guns in America is estimated by some pretty reliable sources as about half a billion, give or take a few hundred thousand either way. Per capita? pretty much the same, I would think, if you are looking at the population as a whole. But in my opinion gun ownership is not the same as owning, say, socks. Gun aficionados, in my opinion, may own multiple guns, while some of the more fervent anti-gunners avoid them like the plague.

You really need to learn more about the words you choose. "Hippy [sic] ideology" is the antithesis to what's going on here, and it's not being taught in schools. Or in the home, or even in churches, and certainly not politics.

The "peace love and crunchy granola" ideology has taken a back seat to "power at all costs" ideology.

The Hippie movement was rife with drugs, but mostly it was about peaceful protest and anti-war.

that's the argument made after all these shootings. don't look at guns at the cause....but, then what do you propose to tackle the problem of keeping guns out of the hands of these people? are you at least advocating for more funds for school counselors so these kids can be helped before becoming violent?

It's interesting to see which members insist "it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people! Don't take away the guns!"

And the same people who also insist "It's the turn signals that create problems, not people driving incorrectly! Take away the turn signals!"


(disclosure: I'm all for 2A, and equally for restrictions on who may use them firearm -types- and proving qualifications for use (licensing). I'm also all for turn signals, and equally for restrictions on who may use golf carts and proving qualifications for use (licensing).

A word substitution sometimes has to be used to prevent being punished/banned/sent to the penalty box. But, the term "hippy" was probably understood by most others on here, for what it was meant to convey. Sorry if it went over your head. Either you did not catch on to it or you took exception to it. Whatever.........

Yes, there is a certain segment of folks that would regulate every aspect of life. There is NO need for more rules and regulations when the existing ones on the books are not enforced. STOP signs are not just for registered vehicles. The traffic signs are for ALL, including golf carts and bikes. Time to cast blame where it is....on the dummies that refuse to believe that rules apply to them. Driving is a privilege NOT a right. If one wishes to poke around in a golf cart, then they should understand how it operates and turn their signals off after making a turn. I do not condemn anyone for forgetting. Many folks, old and young forget when they are not automated turn signals. Even I have forgotten on an occasion. Seems to me that folks our age would have learned patience by now. The ONLY reason for being in a hurry is to get to the ER or beat the rush hour traffic heading for the Golden Corral so you can get in at the head of the supper line.

As many times as I have disagreed with you are certainly right on this the "Hippy" is personified by peace , love, chill out bro, non violent, (of course the right drugs help a lot)

This allegation is defamatory nonsense.These are not the facts which were brought out in the trial.

Looks like kids these days are violent with or without guns or other types of weapons. They can gang up on, for example a bus driver, and use their fists.

Chicago chaos: Public bus driver hospitalized after beaten on street, 21 juveniles arrested | Fox News

https://cwbchicago.com/2021/12/boy-s...nium-park.html

Skate boards are being used quite often to assault someone and they can be a deadly weapon.

Why let facts get in the way of programed opinions ?

We do?

Please enlighten us...

That would be a terrible parent!

Good thing she never did any of that. You would have know it if you had actually watched the trial, rather than get your news from talking heads with an agenda...

no this is what happened: According to court documents and testimony, Kyle Rittenhouse arrived in Kenosha on his own and went to the protest with a friend who provided him with the gun. The gun was kept at the home of the friend’s stepfather in Kenosha.

and Wendy Rittenhouse told the Chicago Tribune in November that she would have tried to stop her son from going to Kenosha, but she didn’t know where he was or what he was doing.

so she has a 17 year old son who lives at home, and she had no idea he has bought a gun (which a friend bought and stored for him) and had no idea where he was.

I'd say it was a school night, but he had dropped out of high school. so she may not have driven him, but she's hardly the model of a mother.

I never said she was. I was simply commenting on the erroneous information posted.

I never said a word about what you are commenting on, so I'm not sure why you're directing your comment to me...

Most of late spring thru the fall of 2020 anyone?

Dad bought the gun and the kid was with him at the time. Posted pics of himself with the gun stating "my new Christmas present". At that age, a new pair of athletic shoes would have been more appropriate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My grandson, now a junior in HS, shot his first buck at age 11yo and his father had the head mounted for display. My children grew up handling firearms and understand firearm safety. I have given my grandson rifles in the past. My daughter has participated in weekend pistol competition, as well as my son-inlaw. My grandkids also operate dirt bikes, ride horses (rescued race type), were active in soccer, basketball, karate and wrestling. If children are taught properly, they are better equipped and mature than many adults. Coddle the kids and the end result is drug overdoses, mass shootings, smash and grab robberies, rapes, etc.

Kyle wished to be a responsible community volunteer. There is something to be said about those that contribute to the community versus those that think that community organizing makes them credible. Regardless of how or when Kyle obtained his rifle, he legally had it on him for protection during rioting and he is alive now because he had it. We need more like him and less like those he was forced to put down.

I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment but I also think that in cases where it can be proven that there was a cavalier and reckless disregard for the safety of others that a gun owner should be held criminally responsible.

In the case of the Crumbleys I think that the prosecution does, in fact, have evidence that the parents knowingly gave their son access to a gun along with ammunition. They had been notified by the school of their son's google searches for ammo while in class. They had been called into the school on the very day that this incident happened after a teacher discovered a disturbing drawing done by Ethan in class. The parents knew that their kid had access to a weapon but did not tell the school that and they refused to bring their son home with them. Within 2 hours of that meeting their son was shooting up the school.

Yes, the parents should be held accountable for their reckless disregard for the safety of others. They could have prevented this tragedy and they chose not to.

Whether any school officials should be held accountable, too, is a different matter.

Wrong thread.

Hopefully this will start a new trend, holding parents, or any gun owner accountable if a child gets their hands on the firearm and shoots someone with it. I'm sure that if people had to insure their guns just as auto owners have to, people would be a lot more careful about not leaving firearms unlocked and/or where kids can get them. It is time for gun owners to be held accountable!

Why not hold parents accountable for any crime committed by a child?

If you are speaking of Kyle R. then I disagree with you. I am glad he put them down like rabid dogs. If you are replying to the other post that has nothing to do with the OP, then that is a different story.
Parents should be held responsible if there is proof of negligence. Personally, I have no problem with arsonists, rapists, etc. being taken care of in a manner that saves the taxpayer money and the system expensive time. Repeat offenders are leaches on society and a waste of resources. If judges would harshly penalize the perpetrators to begin with, maybe we would not have such a crime wave that lasts and lasts.

Kyle Rittenhouse didn't go into that crowd to shoot them up. He was there to stand guard over a car dealership so that violent rioters wouldn't burn the place down. He only fired the weapon when he was attacked and feared for his life.

Self defense is not a crime. If you don't want to get shot, don't beat a guy holding a gun with a skateboard.

So you're fine with vigilante justice. I'll remember that if I ever see you take a left turn without using your turn signal. #WeThePeople are watching.

He wasn't at the car dealership when he shot any of those three people.

News Flash, it was not "vigilante justice" by anyone's definition. It was Self Defense, and anyone with a one eyed seeing eye dog could see that. But, follow me around all you wish. I always use my turn signal. SOmetimes, I even remember to turn it off after I make my turn...:1rotfl:

He wasn't hunting them either. He was running from the violence and resorted to force once he felt his life was in danger. Anyone could see that.

Irrelevant...

Once again, irrelevant...