Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2037223)

Here's the difference between all those things and shootings:

A knife's primary purpose is to cut things. Killing people is one of many results that can come from using a knife to cut things, but killing people is not its primary purpose.

A sword - is definitely made to kill people. But it can kill only one person at a time, somewhat slowly, slow enough that anyone else in close proximity can easily get away. It is close-range exclusively - throwing swords is not a thing.

Hammer's primary function is to drive nails, stakes, and similar into surfaces, and remove those nails, stakes, and similar from those surfaces. Secondary function is to secure things that are already placed down to ensure a good fit (such as floor planks, though usually a rubber mallet would be more efficient). Hammers are not intended to be weapons at all, regardless of how they are eventually used.

Wires have many functions - killing is not an -intended- function of them, regardless of how they end up being used.

Stun guns are absolutely weapons - that are intended to cause pain and halt of movement, instead of causing death. Regardless of the ultimate result.

Motor vehicles primary function is to transport people and things from point A to point B. Regardless of how it ends up being used.

Guns with live ammunition - primary purpose - is to kill. People, animals - but that is what they're for. They aren't made to drive nails through wood. They can't get you from point A to point B. They can't cut a steak or strip the skin off a fish. You can't use a gun to network your computer system. No - it's #1 primary function - the reason it exists, the reason people get trained to use them - is to kill.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2036490)

Think there will be a lot of butt covering and obfuscation before this case gets to trial.
Seems quite a few people dropped the ball somewhere along the line.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2037223)

Here's the difference between all those things and shootings:

A knife's primary purpose is to cut things. Killing people is one of many results that can come from using a knife to cut things, but killing people is not its primary purpose.

A sword - is definitely made to kill people. But it can kill only one person at a time, somewhat slowly, slow enough that anyone else in close proximity can easily get away. It is close-range exclusively - throwing swords is not a thing.

Hammer's primary function is to drive nails, stakes, and similar into surfaces, and remove those nails, stakes, and similar from those surfaces. Secondary function is to secure things that are already placed down to ensure a good fit (such as floor planks, though usually a rubber mallet would be more efficient). Hammers are not intended to be weapons at all, regardless of how they are eventually used.

Wires have many functions - killing is not an -intended- function of them, regardless of how they end up being used.

Stun guns are absolutely weapons - that are intended to cause pain and halt of movement, instead of causing death. Regardless of the ultimate result.

Motor vehicles primary function is to transport people and things from point A to point B. Regardless of how it ends up being used.

Guns with live ammunition - primary purpose - is to kill. People, animals - but that is what they're for. They aren't made to drive nails through wood. They can't get you from point A to point B. They can't cut a steak or strip the skin off a fish. You can't use a gun to network your computer system. No - it's #1 primary function - the reason it exists, the reason people get trained to use them - is to kill.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2037249)

I decided to delete my long post written here this morning on the subject of how different things are now for teachers. I got out just in time.

In grad school ed law, we talked about in loco parentis — which would have made a locker and backpack search happen without question. — but now the “loco” part of that phrase appears to have a different connotation.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2036457)

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2037223)

Here's the difference between all those things and shootings:

A knife's primary purpose is to cut things. Killing people is one of many results that can come from using a knife to cut things, but killing people is not its primary purpose.

A sword - is definitely made to kill people. But it can kill only one person at a time, somewhat slowly, slow enough that anyone else in close proximity can easily get away. It is close-range exclusively - throwing swords is not a thing.

Hammer's primary function is to drive nails, stakes, and similar into surfaces, and remove those nails, stakes, and similar from those surfaces. Secondary function is to secure things that are already placed down to ensure a good fit (such as floor planks, though usually a rubber mallet would be more efficient). Hammers are not intended to be weapons at all, regardless of how they are eventually used.

Wires have many functions - killing is not an -intended- function of them, regardless of how they end up being used.

Stun guns are absolutely weapons - that are intended to cause pain and halt of movement, instead of causing death. Regardless of the ultimate result.

Motor vehicles primary function is to transport people and things from point A to point B. Regardless of how it ends up being used.

Guns with live ammunition - primary purpose - is to kill. People, animals - but that is what they're for. They aren't made to drive nails through wood. They can't get you from point A to point B. They can't cut a steak or strip the skin off a fish. You can't use a gun to network your computer system. No - it's #1 primary function - the reason it exists, the reason people get trained to use them - is to kill.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2036457)

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2036486)

yeah, i saw that too, but just for a minute, do you think the school had the DUTY to remove him without parental approval? most may say no, but looking @ what the kid wrote & pix he drew, the school itself had the responsibility to remove him without parental approval. they call the cops in most cases you hear about-why not here?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2037223)

Guns with live ammunition - primary purpose - is to kill. People, animals - but that is what they're for. They aren't made to drive nails through wood.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2037311)

Odd... Mine have never killed anything (except for some clay targets and paper)...

I must be using them wrong...

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2036959)

Didn't you hear? Three teenagers charged with killing high school classmate with knife and sword | The Independent

Third teen in custody in deadly hammer attack | CNN

Strangled with wire, stabbed with stick: 4 Youths Tied to Secret Club Seized in Killing - Los Angeles Times

stun gun: Teens get maximum sentence in death of Uber Eats driver

While 39 and not a teenager, he inflicted multiple vehicular homicides and injuries. Wisconsin: Five dead after car ploughs into Waukesha Christmas parade - BBC News

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2037631)

I took the time to read each of your citations and noted that none of them happened in a school. so, yes, others weapons can kill....but there seems to be some allure to gunning fellow students in the schools.