"Can't wait to see what is next"
 

You are so right, anti vaxxers could have limitations on travel, stadiums, etc...BUT...then again, those who have been vaccinated may need more vaccinations to deal with variants, or, maybe loose their health because the vaccine has limited their own natural immune system to protect them form other viruses. Yes, we all can't wait to see what is next.

Endless limitations on our freedoms? You have no idea of the repercussions in that way of thinking.

Now you want no government intervention?? Now you want business's to have their say? That so special also. You would raise holy hell if a business denied you access because you were vaccinated and they don't believe in it. Like I said.. when something suits your purpose you are OK with it.....and damn everyone else.

War?
 

Since you are asking questions, here's one for you: Do you know that in times of war drastic measures may be employed for the war effort? Further, do you know that, right now, we are not at war? So, you go ahead and call others, "Freedumb", but I'll live my life under the guise of someone much smarter than I, to quote..."Those who sacrifice freedom for some sort of security end up with neither", and, "The loss of freedom will be replaced with panic and hording"
Sound familiar? Just a little bit?

I did not know any of what you said but I appreciate the history lesson. Thank you.

There is a mass vaccination effort globally to get this pandemic on its knees. I honestly feel the virologists, immunologists and the pharmaceutical companies who have developed these vaccines have not and will not cause harm to so many people on this massive scale.

I do believe these vaccines are safe for humans. Wouldn't the vaccine developers know if these vaccines could possibly have any effect at all to damage immune systems? I believe they do know that no harm can be done to the human immune system. The RNA is eliminated from the body within a very short time (hours). How can harm be derived?

The limitations can be for the short term as I said they probably won't last forever; just the amount of time it takes to get this pandemic under control. There is nothing wrong with limitations for un-vaccinated people for the sake of public health. It is already starting so there is that.

This is my opinion of course.

Well, I look at it this way......the folks who are refusing to be vaccinated in this mass effort to achieve herd immunity are also damning everyone else who are doing their part. There are two ways to look at it.

Hitler, 1933

You are a physician. I do not understand why you are not more of a proponent for humanity to err on the safe side for the sake of public health.

The undisputed fact is, no one knows for sure, only time will tell. You believe what you want to believe, as well all will do.

I think you misunderstand. I am 100% in favor of everyone getting vaccinated, I am under 65 so had to wait, but now I have an appointment for tomorrow. I favor masks indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed.

245 years ago we sent a letter to George III delineating certain rights and freedoms that we believed in, in 1787 we immortalized them in our constitution. Most of that document limited what GOVERNMENT can and cannot do

There have been certain situations where we play loose and free with that document---wartime, pandemics, Japanese-American internment camps, pre civil rights South, etc., all in the name of "the greater good" The problem is WHO gets to decide the greater good.

You are free to argue the severity of this pandemic and quote numbers, but IMHO, compared with pandemics of the past, this is a minor event. Spanish flu 1918-19----50-100 million dead. Black Death of 1347---60% of Europe dead. Justinian plague of 541-49---30% of the population dead. I just don't believe that the draconian response that we have had so far, much less future regulations and edicts, are justified.

Bottom line: You and I are in the same book and same chapter, just on a slightly different page.

Congratulations on getting your appointment for vaccination. I really do enjoy reading your posts and have a great appreciation for your contributions to this forum. Thank you!

I never said it did...

I was specifically talking about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport... Which is what the entire thread is about...

No, you're wrong, as well... (And sorry for the typo...)

I deal with HIPAA daily, I know exactly what it is...

This thread is about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport. Not choosing to disclose the information...