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jimjamuser 08-25-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Art cov (Post 1994222)
I’m not sure about this “dude” way of addressing someone. I’ve heard teenagers or long hair boys going around saying, “hey dude” while glassy eyed and showing little respect. Maybe I’m out of touch, and if so I’m sorry. Who do we call “dude”. The clergy, business owner, police, nurses, doctors. I just don’t know these days who warrants the term DUDE! With all respect to all!

The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

graciegirl 08-25-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1994272)
The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

I doubt I will use the term Dude again. I just thought I'd try it but seeing that y'all didn't think it sounded nice, I will drop it. I guess I am too old for it anyway.

I just hope this thing passes and none of you reading this get's sick...whether I agree with you are not. This has been a hellish couple of years for so many.

Topspinmo 08-25-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1994272)
The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

Loved the dude! Dudderness, say what! Smack!

jimjamuser 08-25-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1994284)
I doubt I will use the term Dude again. I just thought I'd try it but seeing that y'all didn't think it sounded nice, I will drop it. I guess I am too old for it anyway.

I just hope this thing passes and none of you reading this get's sick...whether I agree with you are not. This has been a hellish couple of years for so many.

Agreed, I hope nobody gets sick.

biker1 08-25-2021 04:37 PM

Not exactly. Edward Teller, who along with Ulam developed the strategy for the fusion bomb, suggested that the fission reaction of the Trinity test device might cause sufficient heat for a self sustaining fusion reaction of hydrogen (in the atmosphere) atoms to helium and extinguish life on earth. Fusion reactions do not generate long lived radioactive byproducts so radiation was not the concern. Burning up the atmosphere was the concern. Oppenheimer, the scientific director of the Manhattan Project, was sufficiently concerned that he directed Teller, and someone else I can't remember, to investigate whether this could really happen. Based on energy budget considerations, they determined that a world wide fusion reaction could not happen so the Trinity test proceeded. Teller, who was really more interested in a fusion device (aka the "Super") than the fission devices the Manhattan Project was working on, was in the unique position to suggest the possibility and also to do the analysis to prove it wasn't a possibility. I had the good fortune to see Teller speak some time ago.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1994258)
Also, the atomic bomb. Several scientists worried that the atomic bomb would light up the whole world's atmosphere and radiation would kill all people. Their advice was not taken, but it was not a sure thing that they were wrong. We took a chance then.


Bucco 08-25-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1994248)
I know that. I also know that generally medical scientists are more ethical than the average person and that most of us would not do anything like this for any reason. I know some would. I know all that. It is not an either or opinion.

I have no problem either with "rampant nationalism" and I am a big fan of patriotic people. All these things come from realizing that we need to use common sense, take care of our own, save our money, don't break the rules we were taught as children and don't eat the bovine excrement dished out to us.

I am anxious to see what this report says. I don't like the decisions from The WHITE HOUSE lately on anything. Folks do seem to ignore the information passed to them and that is whether they are R's or D's. Anyone can act like a dummy and we are seeing examples everywhere we look.

RAMPANT NATIONALISM as defined in 1931

“A hint of the course the Hitlerites may pursue if they come into power in Germany was given recently in a speech by a party member to a group of Nazi medical men. Suppression of the "inferior" races of the republic, banishment of the Jews, wholesale sterilization of the "unfit," and other measures to insure Teutonic supremacy are part of the program. The fact that the Germans, for all their race consciousness, are far from being a pure stock, evidently did not occur to the speaker.”



RAMPANT NATIONALISM | News | The Harvard Crimson

Another slant on the same thing circa 2019...

Recently, the idea of Nationalism has been the topic of many conversations in the United States. Nationalism, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is "Loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

The nationalistic ideals that have been spread all throughout the United States have resulted in lines being blurred between the concepts of Patriotism vs. Nationalism. These two concepts are entirely different, however, they seem to be more and more difficult to differentiate.


Nationalism vs. Patriotism

The following link discusses the difference between PATRIOTISM and NATIONALISM.

Nationalism Doesn’t Fit the American Nation - WSJ

As we listen to the moderns speak of being “patriotic”, it might behovee us to read and understand that difference.

There is a difference between “Americans first” and “Americans only”

Sharing a quote, accurate in my opinion, from Sydney Harris....

“The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”

CFrance 08-25-2021 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1994300)
RAMPANT NATIONALISM as defined in 1931

“A hint of the course the Hitlerites may pursue if they come into power in Germany was given recently in a speech by a party member to a group of Nazi medical men. Suppression of the "inferior" races of the republic, banishment of the Jews, wholesale sterilization of the "unfit," and other measures to insure Teutonic supremacy are part of the program. The fact that the Germans, for all their race consciousness, are far from being a pure stock, evidently did not occur to the speaker.”



RAMPANT NATIONALISM | News | The Harvard Crimson

Another slant on the same thing circa 2019...

Recently, the idea of Nationalism has been the topic of many conversations in the United States. Nationalism, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is "Loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

The nationalistic ideals that have been spread all throughout the United States have resulted in lines being blurred between the concepts of Patriotism vs. Nationalism. These two concepts are entirely different, however, they seem to be more and more difficult to differentiate.


Nationalism vs. Patriotism

The following link discusses the difference between PATRIOTISM and NATIONALISM.

Nationalism Doesn’t Fit the American Nation - WSJ

As we listen to the moderns speak of being “patriotic”, it might behovee us to read and understand that difference.

There is a difference between “Americans first” and “Americans only”

Sharing a quote, accurate in my opinion, from Sydney Harris....
“The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”

Sydney Harris's quote needs to be broadcast far and wide.

Coal Miner 08-26-2021 04:56 AM

It dosent matter where a virus originates, what matters is how we react to it. Wear mask, get your shot, social distance. Also believe science not crackpot social media rumor spreaders.

Luggage 08-26-2021 05:02 AM

In America we have this philosophical condition that is called not guilty until proven. So far no government body is going out on the limb to say definitely it is China's fault. The CIA just came out with their study saying they can't tell.

WelchNH 08-26-2021 05:08 AM

Well, the mutation of any virus into a more virulent strain is medically well understood- thanks, all you "freedom loving" vaccine deniers! I saw the link to the story and googled the credentials of the news provider: the owner, John Solomon" is outlined in Wikipedia and other credible sources. I stopped researching at that point.

jswirs 08-26-2021 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1994108)
Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

Very true. If you don't listen to or read the news you are not informed; if you do listen to or read the news you are misinformed.
CNN and their ilk, slant everything to the left, Fox, and their ilk, slant everything to the right. Which is why I rely on my own common sense.

drducat 08-26-2021 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1994395)
Very true. If you don't listen to or read the news you are not informed; if you do listen to or read the news you are misinformed.
CNN and their ilk, slant everything to the left, Fox, and their ilk, slant everything to the right. Which is why I rely on my own common sense.

Yes and the so called Fact Checking orgs just had to dive head first into a woodchipper and go on the take....no different....:loco:

GeriS 08-26-2021 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1994270)

Also look up what is happening to Falun Gong practioners. Need a kidney? Disgusting!

Ashley from UK 08-26-2021 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1994131)
We will never know the origin of the current Covid virus. That is probably one of the very few secrets that won't be leaked.

The virus leaks, the name of the creators and investors don't....

Now that is far more worrying....

The lesson... We need to stop acting as god and producing things to kill us... because one day they will....

Until then, well I am counting down the days to retirement when I plan to join you all, play as much golf, swim as many lengths cycle and run as many miles as I can and to end as many nights dancing the nights away... And my only worry will be to avoid pulling too many muscles in the process....

merrymini 08-26-2021 05:51 AM

Gain of function was being done in the lab in china.
This is not a naturally occurring event.
Chine controls ALL it’s media and will not let anything be said without approval.
Medical people can be as corrupt as anyone else.
Mao zedong killed about 50 million of his own people.
Stalin killed about 50 to 60 million of his own people.
Big pharm is making BILLIONS of dollars off a flu shot.
Line up for your monthly shot. Chaching!

Billy1 08-26-2021 05:54 AM

God created this, live in the peace and love of God.

Girlcopper 08-26-2021 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1993879)
Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Mad at china? Seriously?

Petersweeney 08-26-2021 06:37 AM

This conversation is a year and a half old and so predictable- go out and plant some flowers or vegetables and do something productive….

kenoc7 08-26-2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1994011)
it may have been located in China, but many countries were involved in the development of this. if you can manage to read fauci's emails, you'll see he lied about the US funding this 'research,'

More disinformation

fastboat 08-26-2021 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1993879)
Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

We will NOT be holding China responsible for Covid or punishing them in any way, father and son will see to it.

drducat 08-26-2021 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1994447)
More disinformation

The US funding was in the form of a grant to Fauci which he in turn sent over to Wuhan after getting the program booted out of the US.

The University of Hong Kong has been included in this research at the Wuhan lab.

So it was not directly funded by US tax dollars, rather thru a third party (Fauci).

The Wuhan lab has been known to have researchers from the CCP which were interested in BioWeapon research. 2 + 2 = 4 :evil6:

drducat 08-26-2021 07:19 AM

On the lighter side....


lkagele 08-26-2021 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1994252)
Just The News isn't a really great source either; See here;

Just The News - Media Bias/Fact Check

It's simply an article reporting what the Pfizer CEO said. You can find the same information in numerous sources. Are you disputing the information in the article?

Just the News is right leaning for sure but it has some of the best investigative reporting out there. It's one of about 15 sources I review.

FUSSY LADY 08-26-2021 07:32 AM

You are so right, the Chinese don't care about their own people, they were restricting them on how many children each family could have. They are evil people in China!

lkagele 08-26-2021 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WelchNH (Post 1994393)
Well, the mutation of any virus into a more virulent strain is medically well understood- thanks, all you "freedom loving" vaccine deniers! I saw the link to the story and googled the credentials of the news provider: the owner, John Solomon" is outlined in Wikipedia and other credible sources. I stopped researching at that point.

Wikipedia has become less than a reliable source. Left leaning to be sure.

Why don't you try reviewing some of his investigative reports? Some of the best reporting out there. And just because you may not agree with the author's political affiliation, it doesn't make the story any less true. Are you contending the Pfizer CEO didn't make those statements or the story is false?

Marine1974 08-26-2021 07:49 AM

You remember all the protesters in China , Hong Kong before Covid hit ? You don’t hear of any more protests and there is
10 million less cell phone users in China 🇨🇳.

Marine1974 08-26-2021 07:58 AM

China has more of its own problems like only 12 % renewable clean water . China has to import clean water , you can’t drink from the faucet. Ground is polluted.
air pollution. Can you believe we saved the Chinese from being taken over by Japan ? I believe most Chinese want their freedom.
Any war with them and you could see majority of their military surrender.

newgirl 08-26-2021 08:11 AM

Where it started does not matter, how it stops is the only important issue.
Why do you feel getting angry is going to help anyone? It seems to me you are trying to create more hate and that is the last thing this country needs.

Jacob85 08-26-2021 08:22 AM

I saw on tv where China has started a propaganda campaign saying it came from the US and our labs! Just say a lie often enough and people believe it so the Chinese probably now think it was our cover up!

Sherry8bal 08-26-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1994108)
Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

If you think China would not think twice about killing their own people, you need a history book. They've been doing it for decades and they don't care. That's how they control the people and continue to keep Communism there to rule over the people. Their people are a dime a dozen to them and they will use them for experiments continually. Of course, this virus was generated by the Chinese in their own labs and then purposely released to the world. That's what they do.

tvbound 08-26-2021 08:45 AM

It's just sad, that so many people need to find someone, or some entity, to hate or blame for everything.

DIver0258 08-26-2021 08:48 AM

With disinformation at every turn. At this point I’m more concerned about the medical community’s ability to further develop a vaccine that is more resistant to the viruses variants. Point fingers now is pointless the damage to the world has been done.

Ptmckiou 08-26-2021 09:04 AM

Hate
 
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1993879)
Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Seriously, the hate, judgement, and finger pointing needs to stop. Logic dictates that China didn’t do it on purpose, because that would mean slitting your own throat. China people are dying just like everyone else. So, that means it was either a lab accident or nature evolved it in China. Either way, they are in deep do-do just like the rest of the world.

We are all on the same team. The human species team. The virus doesn’t care your nationality or language. We are all in the same boat and finger pointing is not only unnecessary, but quite useless since they didn’t start it on purpose. Move forward and stop looking backwards. Virus’s will be virus’s and this isn’t the last one. It’s what they do. Get behind science and technology and throw everything we got at it. That’s what we did with smallpox and polio. It still holds true.

Byte1 08-26-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Petersweeney (Post 1994446)
This conversation is a year and a half old and so predictable- go out and plant some flowers or vegetables and do something productive….

And be careful not to bury your head in the dirt while you are at it.

Byte1 08-26-2021 09:37 AM

Aw, don't worry about how or who caused this world wide, murdering pandemic. After all, it's way too late and is not important....right? right? And there is also no need to investigate murders because it's too late to worry or change anything. Who cares who murdered that girl. Since it was a gun that did the killing, we should find out how to neutralize the guns in the world, right? right? Holding someone accountable doesn't matter, right? right? And for those that are TOO NAIVE to understand that I am being facetious, the origin of the deed is just as important as the deed itself as to how to fix this. Why do they search for patient "zero" when there is an outbreak? No answer is needed to that question.

Bucco 08-26-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1994550)
It's just sad, that so many people need to find someone, or some entity, to hate or blame for everything.

When you are told that everything is someone elses fault…..either by their birthplace, skin color, or whatever you choose (you do not seem to need anything much else in the way of “evidence” or “proof”)…..well, that is how you see everything. It obviously also clears your conscience.

No fault ever comes your way…..there is always a “yeah but”

drducat 08-26-2021 10:34 AM

[QUOTE=Bucco;1994640]
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Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1994636)

The link given is to a website that goes well beyond the “extremist” and totally “fake” news. How someone who touts or even reads that total garbage is allowed to share his/her opinion is a real challenge to our country and free speech.

Freedom Watch fake news???:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They are reporting on item pulled by the Freedom of Information Act which all very real documentation....sorry if the documented truth bothers you.

Bucco 08-26-2021 10:45 AM

[QUOTE=drducat;1994653]
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1994640)

Freedom Watch fake news???:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They are reporting on item pulled by the Freedom of Information Act which all very real documentation....sorry if the documented truth bothers you.

The emails have no relationship of truth with the arrived at conclusions OR the headlines.

This entire line of attempted defamation has been debunked so many times over and over, and the entire line of these continuing assaults since May of 2020 (not sure about the date, but close).

It is yet another untruth wrapped in headlines that only certain folks will fall for.

irishwonone 08-26-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1994211)
Eritrea - Wikipedia

Isaias Afwerki - Wikipedia

Looks like North Korea and Eritrea are the only totalitarian countries in the world in 2021. China does have some checks-and-balances and the Olympics being there in 2022 create more of these. They will try to put on a good face to the world.

I believe that the Chinese are trying to get at the facts as best they can about the origin of COVID-19 because of all the attention brought on by the 2022 Olympics.

I couldn’t disagree more.

jimjamuser 08-26-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1994297)
Not exactly. Edward Teller, who along with Ulam developed the strategy for the fusion bomb, suggested that the fission reaction of the Trinity test device might cause sufficient heat for a self sustaining fusion reaction of hydrogen (in the atmosphere) atoms to helium and extinguish life on earth. Fusion reactions do not generate long lived radioactive byproducts so radiation was not the concern. Burning up the atmosphere was the concern. Oppenheimer, the scientific director of the Manhattan Project, was sufficiently concerned that he directed Teller, and someone else I can't remember, to investigate whether this could really happen. Based on energy budget considerations, they determined that a world wide fusion reaction could not happen so the Trinity test proceeded. Teller, who was really more interested in a fusion device (aka the "Super") than the fission devices the Manhattan Project was working on, was in the unique position to suggest the possibility and also to do the analysis to prove it wasn't a possibility. I had the good fortune to see Teller speak some time ago.

Thank you for that DEEPLY knowledgeable information on an interesting chapter of science. I was only aware of a vague general outline of the situation. That is the BEAUTY of a forum!


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