SPOILER ALERT...on here, the norm is to classify and label and then attack

Thank you for being willing, in the face of so many posters who purposely forget this fact and will attack you for it...to speak up.

Not only was this nation founded with violent protesting, because of what they felt was a lack of justice and constant discrimination from the British, but its foundation of wealth...was built on the backs of free labor from black slaves. :mad:

Seems some must have someone to hate and immigrants are one of the selected. Must make some feel special.

A bit of sarcasm, maybe!!!!!!!
 

I am 100% for legal immigration, however illegals do not comply with our society’s rules, they already broke our laws by coming illegally, I am a LEGAL immigrant and an Naturalized American Citizen, illegals don’t abide by rules most drive without licenses, Insurance, and by the way the estimate is between 11 and 25 million in our Country.

Not the best country
 

The USA is not the best country - it leads the world in very few indicators of health, wealth or well-being. Watch Jeff Daniels on "Newsroom"

Nonsense, I don't hate immigrants, I married one. :icon_wink:

I don't even hate illegal immigrants because I understand why they come here, for a better life. That doesn't mean I condone illegal immigration.

Hm. Well maybe we should try doing something about that. Maybe - we should create a more efficient process of legal immigration, so people don't have to wait 10 or 20 years to get that "legal" designation. When a crime organization runs your city, and its minions break into family homes to kidnap their children for the sex trade, and threaten to kill your OTHER children if you protest... maybe that's a good reason to want to leave your country.

Since this doesn't happen as frequently in the USA (don't kid yourself - it happens here - just not as frequently), you know you have a better chance at survival, and a better shot at your kid growing up to become a productive member of society. If only you could GET here.

So you do what you have to do, to get here. You worry about the details later.

Millions of central and South Americans have been doing this for years. Many of those millions have been fortunate to get through the asylum system and become citizens, or at least on the official path to citizenship. Many were not so fortunate and are still waiting for the process to work for them.

Until the last few years, when the rules changed. Now there are more people for whom the process cannot and will not work. But they don't know that til they show up and try. They have to try. To do otherwise would mean slavery, rape, death.

Immigrants are but the latest...as to being the focal point of hatred.

Black people, from before we were even a nation, have been the focus of hate and discrimination...from the very beginning.

It's still hard to grasp what kind of ignorance/animals/hate it would take, for the FF's to determine that someone, simply because they were born with black skin...were only three fifths of a human being.

And then in Dred Scott, for the Supreme Court to rule that blacks...could never become American citizens. :mad:

And that feeling persists, possibly in even larger numbers...to this very day. :ohdear:

Because theirs is worse!! Corrupt governments, lack of jobs, lack of access to food, murders, violence, zero opportunities.

And the 17 million who came here from Canada and Europe in last 20 years?

Oh please ….. do you honestly think that is the reason? If so, I recommend you study the issue harder.

Well, it’s sad that that is the only conclusion you can draw. It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be just for a chance at mere survival.

Our subsidized food industry has destroyed the economies of third-world countries. People there used to be able to make an adequate, but hardly luxurious, living as subsistence farmers. Now it costs them more to buy what they need to grow their own crops than it does to buy food from the industrial farmers of the US. But, there are few jobs there to earn the money to buy even the cheap food, so they come to the US out of desperation.

It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be to escape the violence of the cartels that supply Americans with drugs.

It’s sad that you don’t see how the US’s desire for favorable trade or suppression of communism results in violence when we support ruthless dictators. “He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.”

It’s sad how you and many Americans don’t see that despite the despicable way we treat people who come here because they have no other choice if they just want to survive that it’s not nearly as bad as what they would face at home. You see them as “rapists and thieves,” but in reality, most are hard-working people who love their families. Yes, I’m sure some of them are “rapists and thieves,” but just like it is for us, such are the exception and not the rule. As some of us are “rapists and thieves,” how would you like people in other countries to treat all of us they way we treat the tragically desperate people who come here because they see the US as their only hope for survival?

If you want to slow the immigration, encourage your government to end food subsidies, to legalize drugs, and to stop interfering in third-world politics. We caused this problem and only we can end it.

...are mostly white.

It's sad that you could not detect the sarcasm dripping from that sentence, even after it has been explained several times in this thread.

Can we have the Morses ( They'll take the money out of "The Bond" and "the Amenity Fees") to build a huge wall around The Villages!

I agree with your sentiment, but there are no indigenous people. Those you are referring to are merely the first immigrants. Canadiens call them the First Nations. I like that better than Native Americans. And they came in many waves.

Yeah, but have you ever been to Norway in the winter? ;-)

GoodLife, I picked up on your sarcasm and irony right away. I'm not too surprised that not everyone did. In my many years of online discussions, I've noticed many people are very literal. I even posted a few times that gullible is not in the dictionary and I'd get replies proving me wrong.

That said, I know you are too smart not to be able to answer your own question: As hard as life is sometimes in this country, it pales in comparison to the dire conditions they're trying to flee.

Did it not occur to you that I didn’t read the entire forum before I responded? As most of us don’t know you, might I suggest you use a winky face to let people know when you are being sarcastic? I can’t see your face to know. I can only read your words. But, I apologize for directing my comments at you personally. I should have been less specific.

Still, my response is appropriate with respect to all who unsarcastically believe such things. And that is true for MANY people. I’ve heard people say such things in earnest and it sickens me.

How self centered you are. How do you think you got here? Every single one of us has an ancestor who arrived in this county as an immigrant and did not speak English. I know mine did. They came from Germany in 1710 and did not speak English. People hated them for that reason. I have a privately published book of my family's history, and it is fascinating to know that what goes around, comes around.

Uh huh, even white people from perfectly good places like Canada and Europe want to come here, millions of them. Kinda blows your previous statement out of the water.


Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are

Based on official statistics, in 2017 the US is 29th in net migration per 1000 residents. List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia

This is similar for the average over the last 5 years.

Now add 10-12 million illegal immigrants to the calculation.

Yup Steve, we've got many and more that are home-grown!

Why so many Immigrants?
 

They keep coming here because this is the best country to live in. With our capitalistic economy they have a chance of making something of themselves. We have freedoms like no other countries. Now as far as the negatives you state, that is the media telling you that. We are far less racist than we were (pre-civil rights). Blacks and whites do get along but the media tells you differently. We are not oppressive since anyone willing and able to work can do far better than where they came from and to advance in society. But again, the media tells you differently. Are we a perfect country, no. Do we have work to do to improve, yes. What we are seeing with the riots is an isolated incident turned into an insurrection. We don't have cops killing blacks everyday. This was one bad cop (and the other 3 that did nothing to stop him) that needs to go. The people had an absolute reason to protest but another group has hijacked that reason to destroy this country.

Only if they stay in their country of origin.

We have no structure to develop a skill or trade. Unless you call video games and daycare raised a skill. Lack of motivation due to our privileged life. I don’t even want to get into public school problems.

Maybe you should ask them about livable wage and day labor. How they get out of paying taxes?

No, our family tree we’re all immigrants including the Indians if you’re were born on the soil you’re not immigrants of that soil. Borders make immigrants when they cross it.

Wikipedia, now that’s authority’s of truth and correctness.

:ho:. Post that I can agree with.

Come here, legally. Thats it. Use common sense.

Yes many come to have a better chance in life. But surely they would hesitate if they thought America was a racist oppressive society that some posters here believe it to be.

And you are forgetting that over 17 million people from Canada and Europe have immigrated here in the last 20 years. They are obviously not fleeing some hellhole they were born in. They saw America as an even better opportunity to succeed than the nice place they came from. It is not a small thing to uproot yourself and move to a foreign country, people do not do this on a whim.

Tell me where I'm missing the boat
Why do so many people condone the actions of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"? Isn't it as simple as the word "illegal"? And don't we have a "legal immigration" process (as slow as it may be)? What do we tell the people who are following all the rules and getting into this country legally?
Or do we do the name change process and call the illegals "displaced foreigners" like they do in California?
Just asking so be nice with your comments

It's the same reason that many people are opposed to requiring proof of citizenship to vote.

Let's try to keep the terms straight. Anyone born in the USA, Mexico, or Canada is a "Native American". America is the term for the continent. Second, the term Indigenous means "originating from". The First Settlers came predominantly over the Bering Land Bridge 14,000 years ago from East Eurasia. And yes, later settlers ( English, French, Spanish, etc.) did "screw them over", much like the Vikings did to the Saxons, the Germans to the Romans, or the Arabs to the Egyptians. Doesn't mean it's right, just that it isn't only one group or an isolated incident. As long as there is migration there will be one group taking over from another group.

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1775101]over 17 million people from Canada and Europe have immigrated here in the last 20 years. They are obviously not fleeing some hellhole they were born in. They saw America as an even better opportunity/QUOTE]

You're answering your own question. America is "even better" in spite of the repression, violence and racism.

Many of the European immigrants came from Eastern Europe where standards for living, justice, education, health, entrepreneurship etc are generally well behind ours. And I suspect Canadians move south in search of a more hospitable climate.

Another reason for immigration is that the United States is easier to migrate to than a lot of other countries that are more restrictive regarding both legal and illegal immigration. And, they do not provide the same Government benefits that the U.S. provides to legal and illegal immigrants.

Nonsense, I don't hate immigrants, I married one....dittos!