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jimhurtt@twc.com 06-01-2020 12:49 PM

That is a rather nonsensical observation. When a motorist is charged with making an illegal turn it is a violation of the law. They are therefore committing an illegal act. They are then liable.

sallybowron 06-01-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1774542)
I was talking with a Hispanic man the other day and he admitted that he is here illegally. He owns a business doing landscaping work and employs a small crew. He said the crime and gangs in Mexico make life very dangerous and difficult to run a business. Here, he said, if you work hard you will be successful. We had a plumber do some work yesterday, an older Vietnamese man who had immigrated here 4 years ago. It's pretty amazing, a foreigner that probably knew very little English was able to start his own business. We have so many people, native born Americans, who received a free public education that can only whine and moan there are no opportunities for work. Pretty pathetic.

It is indeed!

GoodLife 06-01-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1775101)
over 17 million people from Canada and Europe have immigrated here in the last 20 years. They are obviously not fleeing some hellhole they were born in. They saw America as an even better opportunity/QUOTE]

You're answering your own question. America is "even better" in spite of the repression, violence and racism.

Many of the European immigrants came from Eastern Europe where standards for living, justice, education, health, entrepreneurship etc are generally well behind ours. And I suspect Canadians move south in search of a more hospitable climate.

Any time I hear someone say "I suspect" it usually means they are just guessing.

Attachment 84361

The following figures show where these EU immigrants to the US come from. We have divided the EU into four regions.

East: Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia

North: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Sweden

South: Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta, Portugal, and Spain
West: Ireland and the United Kingdom.

Looks like 33% came from Eastern Europe, the rest from the North, South and West

Canadians can come down here for 6 months a year to enjoy a nicer climate, they don't need to emigrate and become US citizens.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1774542)
I was talking with a Hispanic man the other day and he admitted that he is here illegally. He owns a business doing landscaping work and employs a small crew. He said the crime and gangs in Mexico make life very dangerous and difficult to run a business. Here, he said, if you work hard you will be successful. We had a plumber do some work yesterday, an older Vietnamese man who had immigrated here 4 years ago. It's pretty amazing, a foreigner that probably knew very little English was able to start his own business. We have so many people, native born Americans, who received a free public education that can only whine and moan there are no opportunities for work. Pretty pathetic.

It is also possible that a native-born American (AKA a real citizen) was TRYING to reach up the ladder for success at a 1st job or better job and it was taken away from them by a legal or illegal intruder whose parent NEVER paid US taxes or served in the US Armed Forces.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1774566)
A fellow I know who is a naturalized American citizen born in India said that when his brother visited he looked around and could not believe his eyes, saying "What a country! Even the poor people get to be fat".

Too much snack food, no nutrition classes or knowledge, and little exercise. Not something to brag about.

Number 10 GI 06-01-2020 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alana33 (Post 1774763)
ALL of Our Ancestors were Immigrants!
They fled their countries for many reasons, war, famine, religious persecution, a chance of a better life, etc. You and your family would not be here had America, Land of the Free, not welcomed you!
The only indigenous peoples are Native American Indians and we pretty well screwed them over and continue to do so as well as other people of color and creed.
Bigotry and racism is well on display.

The "Native American Indians" were also immigrants. The accepted theory is that they migrated across the Bering Straits.

Number 10 GI 06-01-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774663)
The ones who claim the max amount - STILL pay medicare and social security tax. No one is exempt from that, except certain civil servants and religious organization employees.

The ones who get paid under the table, are being paid by employers who are breaking the law by employing them.

Also, people are not illegal. Their actions are legal or illegal - but the people themselves are not illegal. They really are actual people. Their existence as "people" is 100% legitimate.

That small amount of tax they pay doesn't even make a dent in the cost this country pays for them living here using our social systems. The law classifies them as illegal aliens regardless of silly, meaningless semantics.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774648)
And millions of those here illegally have fake social security cards, and get legitimate jobs and pay actual real federal income taxes, and social security tax, and medicare tax, and in some cases, state and local income tax as well.

Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are. That doesn't make us any good at all. It just means we're not as bad as Venezuela, Panama, parts of Mexico, Columbia, the rest of South America, or Syria or other parts of the world that are war-torn.

America isn't great. It's merely "not as bad" as many other places.

In reality, if you look at a world chart or list of countries, The US is behind the UK at about # 11 in upward mobility. And around 30th in other issues like quality of life. The Scandinavian countries are the best. Canada is also better than the US and much harder to enter.

Number 10 GI 06-01-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1774817)
What percentage of illegals came here legally and overstayed their visa? We had an Irish guy who had been living in Somerville Ma for 30 years ... to get his visa renewed he would have had to leave his business and go back to Ireland and re-apply (at the time) and he didn't leave his wife and kids and business ... just overstayed. They sent him back to Ireland in 2016. Deacon in the Church. He was one of the illegals you are referencing.

And how does that change the fact he was here illegally? When you break the law and are caught you have to deal with the consequences. He knew that but chose to ignore the law.

LiverpoolWalrus 06-01-2020 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1775158]
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1775126)

Any time I hear someone say "I suspect" it usually means they are just guessing.

Attachment 84361

The following figures show where these EU immigrants to the US come from. We have divided the EU into four regions.

East: Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia

North: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Sweden

South: Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta, Portugal, and Spain
West: Ireland and the United Kingdom.

Looks like 33% came from Eastern Europe, the rest from the North, South and West

Canadians can come down here for 6 months a year to enjoy a nicer climate, they don't need to emigrate and become US citizens.

I was indeed taking "educated guesses" on both Canada and Eastern Europe. Okay, fair enough that if Canadians just want nicer weather they can get it as snowbirds without emigrating, but let's look at Eastern Europe, according to your data:

Eastern Europe's population cohort is the second smallest of four, but yet they account for the highest share of total EU emigration to the US.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alana33 (Post 1774763)
ALL of Our Ancestors were Immigrants!
They fled their countries for many reasons, war, famine, religious persecution, a chance of a better life, etc. You and your family would not be here had America, Land of the Free, not welcomed you!
The only indigenous peoples are Native American Indians and we pretty well screwed them over and continue to do so as well as other people of color and creed.
Bigotry and racism is well on display.

America needed immigration in the frontier days. Now when AI and advanced Robotics fully hit in about 20 years the US will have a permanent 30 to 40 % unemployment. Problem is politicians do not believe it or plan ahead more than the next election.

GoodLife 06-01-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1775158)

I was indeed taking "educated guesses" on both Canada and Eastern Europe. Okay, fair enough that if Canadians just want nicer weather they can get it as snowbirds without emigrating, but let's look at Eastern Europe, according to your data:

Eastern Europe's population cohort is the second smallest of four, but yet they account for the highest share of total EU emigration to the US.

Irrelevant. Eastern Europe's percentage of total EU immigrants to USA is 33%. The rest come from other areas. That's not "most"

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Boblib68 (Post 1774785)
We were all immigrants to this country except the native Indians! This is what made our country great!!

The US WAS the top country in quality of life from the end of WWII until about 1975 when the slide began. Some have not noticed the sliding board we are all on. All great civilizations have a peak and a slide.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1774806)
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Yes we took what we wanted --- took the Indians land - took the western part of the US from Mex. and yes we took Fla. We gave the Indians Nothing but disease..We used the slave to make America great

True that!

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1774844)
The USA is not the best country - it leads the world in very few indicators of health, wealth or well-being. Watch Jeff Daniels on "Newsroom"

Yes, very true!

perrjojo 06-01-2020 01:54 PM

[QUOTE=Bucco;1774833]Seems some must have someone to hate and immigrants are one of the selected. Must make some feel special.[/QUOTE

You are right on.
Racism has been around since the beginning of time, Slavery as well. Slavery still exists in Africa. I m not saying it’s ok but it is unfortunately a part of the human condition.

perrjojo 06-01-2020 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1774924)

Wrong again. ;)

I obviously love this country much more than you (and a whole lot of others), because at least I'm willing to speak up...about making it fair and equal for ALL.

This is the problem. Not everyone will ever agree on what constitutes fair and equal.

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mk1126 (Post 1774915)
Can we have the Morses ( They'll take the money out of "The Bond" and "the Amenity Fees") to build a huge wall around The Villages!

That gave me a good laugh. Keep up the good work!

yabbadu 06-01-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1774514)
I really hope your not my neighbor!


I agree........:bigbow:

jimjamuser 06-01-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1775042)
Sending employers of undocumented workers to prison for a long time, will do more than any other single thing...to stop the problem or allow it in a humane way.

Then watch how many anti-undocumented workers screech and cry... about how much their food and other products have increased.

Thereby requiring even more of these industries to go to countries, where someone makes $15 a day...so as to satisfy the profit demand of their stockholders.


To those who employee undocumented workers, I say...LOCK THEM UP!

Even if that means the flowers here in TV...don't get changed as much. ;)


Best humane solution.

retiredguy123 06-01-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774648)
And millions of those here illegally have fake social security cards, and get legitimate jobs and pay actual real federal income taxes, and social security tax, and medicare tax, and in some cases, state and local income tax as well.

Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are. That doesn't make us any good at all. It just means we're not as bad as Venezuela, Panama, parts of Mexico, Columbia, the rest of South America, or Syria or other parts of the world that are war-torn.

America isn't great. It's merely "not as bad" as many other places.

Please explain. Millions of illegal immigrants have a "fake" Social Security card, a legitimate job, and pay taxes to the IRS? I know the IRS is not perfect, but I find it difficult to believe they are that incompetent to ignore millions of bogus taxpayer accounts without question. Are millions of people using someone else's SS account and depositing money into their account for someone else's benefit? Whose address do they use? Or, are the SS numbers just made up and the IRS accepts payments into an account that doesn't exist? And, if the SS number is made up, I doubt that the employer would be sending money to the IRS for deposit into an employee's account that doesn't exist. I think they would just keep the money. I also doubt that an illegal immigrant would be filing a tax return using a fake SS number.

Pamelah 06-01-2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1774910)
It's sad that you could not detect the sarcasm dripping from that sentence, even after it has been explained several times in this thread.

And yet another one did not see your sarcasm. Try a different tact next time.

Antique lady 06-01-2020 05:32 PM

Immigrants
 
Hope is irrepressible. Hope is why immigrants braved the ocean and the processing at Ellis Island. Hope is why so many still come, to work and send money to impoverished family in countries of their birth.

Hope is what makes the Statue of Liberty a beacon of promise.

Hope is something we all have in common.... I understand why they continue to come and why in some cases in the face of unequal treatment and dwarfed opportunity people who are challenged by an imperfect system still have hope.....

GoodLife 06-01-2020 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 1775303)
And yet another one did not see your sarcasm. Try a different tact next time.

It's try a different tack dear.

"To create or decode sarcasm, both the expressers and recipients of sarcasm need to overcome the contradiction (i.e., psychological distance) between the literal and actual meanings of the sarcastic expressions," said author Francesca Gino. "This is a process that activates and is facilitated by abstraction, which in turn promotes creative thinking."

Andyb 06-01-2020 06:22 PM

No, they have learned that we offer free housing, food stamps and other entitlements, so they are coming in droves.
Does anyone pay attention to our deficit that funds this? Going to be real ugly one day.

Bay Kid 06-02-2020 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1775347)
No, they have learned that we offer free housing, food stamps and other entitlements, so they are coming in droves.
Does anyone pay attention to our deficit that funds this? Going to be real ugly one day.

So true. Worth the risk of life all the free (not, we must pay) stuff.

LiverpoolWalrus 06-02-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1775330)

"To create or decode sarcasm, both the expressers and recipients of sarcasm need to overcome the contradiction (i.e., psychological distance) between the literal and actual meanings of the sarcastic expressions," said author Francesca Gino. "This is a process that activates and is facilitated by abstraction, which in turn promotes creative thinking."

I also like to use sarcasm sometimes to "promote creative thinking." But alas I have found during my many years of participating in online chats that many people seem to take things literally - at face value. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing, but I wonder what it says about a predisposition to think creatively.

Did you know that gullible is not in the dictionary?

ColdNoMore 06-02-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1775754)
I also like to use sarcasm sometimes to "promote creative thinking." But alas I have found during my many years of participating in online chats that many people seem to take things literally - at face value. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing, but I wonder what it says about a predisposition to think creatively.

Did you know that gullible is not in the dictionary?


Now THAT is an excellent example...of being "gullible."
:1rotfl:

GULLIBLE (don't click here, or you'll be electrocuted...:D)

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gullibleor gul·la·ble [ guhl-uh-buhl ]

adjective

- easily deceived or cheated.


OhioBuckeye 06-02-2020 10:29 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1775213)
That gave me a good laugh. Keep up the good work!

Then we can call it, “Morse’s Town”, instead of “Jones Town”, LOL.

edomit 06-02-2020 12:26 PM

Statue of Liberty says it all. And, no, it’s not obsolete.


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