It is a known fact that BLM and Antifa are Marxist organizations. The founder of BLM said that their goal is to remove Trump (capitalism) and Transform US into a Marxist country (sound familiar?). She also said on one of the major networks that they are Marxists. The universities have been indoctrinating our youth with this nonsense for decades. Trump’s policies work to improve economic conditions for all Americans. That is a threat to their revolution so it must be destroyed. The virus shutdowns and the upcoming election were/are the perfect storm for their attempts to remove our history and remake America. Wake up everyone! The mainstream media is complicit in all this because they despise our President so much. Over half of the country is being duped by their fake and incomplete reporting. This is only going to get worse. And if Democrats manage to win in November they will be beholden to these radicals and the country as we know it is lost.

LOL :1rotfl:

The hateful white conspiracy theorists, have brought out an old playbook...of trying to blame Soros for everything. :oops:

Right-Wing Conspiracists Pull From Old Playbook: Blame George Soros For Riots


It does make it easier, if white supremacists can put a face on an "enemy."

Never mind if its false or there's absolutely no proof, as that takes a back seat...to having a target of the rage & hate toward minorities. :ohdear:

And on the other hand, we have people trying to blame the riots and destruction on white supremacists when there is no evidence for it.

“I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” Howard Graves, a research analyst at the SPLC

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards blacks & other minorities, then the decades long effort by the work of the billionaire Koch Brothers...will just fuel your confirmation bias. :ohdear:

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards whites, then the decades long effort by the work of billionaire Soros....will just fuel your confirmation bias. :wave:

As a resident of "the real world", here's my takeaways:

Some people would write an entire post essentially saying that it's really outside agitators (white nationalists) who are to blame. Never mind that there's no evidence of such activity in this case that I've seen as of this writing.

Some people would make statements that it's not BLM protesters at all. It's those outside instigators. Really? Wow. Who knew that no one in the BLM movement could ever resort to property destruction or violence?

Some people would suggest that the real well-intentioned protesters just aren't smart enough to realize they are being manipulated by these outside extremists. Of course, some people who suggest this think that they, themselves, are smart enough to see it from afar. It's just those intellectually-limited protesters who can't see what's going on around them.

Some people find that after posting something so off-base, they have to come back and repeatedly explain their points. You see, those people think that everyone else online is intellectually challenged and incapable of understanding the truth of what's going on. Oh, lest I forget, the intellectually challenged people online are also uncivilized - or close to it.

We should all be thankful for some people like this. Where would we be without the omniscience topped with gratuitous sarcasm?

Just so it's clear, here's my thoughts on anyone involved in violence and/or property destruction: find them, root them out and prosecute them. It makes no difference whatsoever if they are white nationalists or any part of those engaged in supporting BLM. Those people are criminals. They need to be brought to justice.

But for some people to suggest or imply that no one involved in the BLM movement could possibly be involved in property destruction and/or violence without being manipulated is just naive at best.

Think BIG picture. ;)

Richard Spencer. (poke here)

Quote:

“A race is genetically coherent, a race is something you can study, a race is about genes and DNA, but it’s not just about genes and DNA. The most important thing about it is the people and the spirit. That’s what a race is about.”

I DARE you to watch... :ho:

13TH (click here)


And of course, there will be a small faction of any large group...that leans toward violence.

MLKJR. had to fight against the same thing.

What's sad, is when those who prefer to hate, try to use the small %...to paint a whole group. :ohdear:


:wave:

Just thugs being thugs

Peaceful protests
 

Colin was berated because he chose to protest the symbol under which we ALL live instead of taking his concern to those who could do something. Do you think he honestly took his concern to his local politicians? Nope, he thought the best way was to dishonor ALL Americans and then MSM helped him along. Which IMHO was just as disrespectful as the raised clenched fists on the Olympic podium.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :thumbup:

:wave:

Your last sentence describes MSM perfectly

You just asked the $50K dollar question

What happened that leaders all over the country seem to be just standing on the side lines watching this and are not taking any nonviolent steps to stop this?

There isn't anyone to negotiate with, or learn exactly what these 'protesters' (very loose use of that term) actually want...what's that tell us (they don't want to negotiate?...it's a mob and they really don't know specifically what they want??...it's not just a 'mob' and they have no intention of negotiating??...that this is about creating chaos in the US??)

It's occurring all over our country....this is no longer a spontaneous protest to right a wrong...those don't last this long, those protesters can articulate what they want changed and will come to the table to talk

something very nefarious is at work here, something that wants to stay in the shadows

This is no longer about race, the underdog, slavery, etc...this has been planned and is now being executed

Madison is not only the capital of Wisconsin but the home of the main campus of the University of Wisconsin, one of the best public universities in the country. It is also the home of thousands of generally pretty cool graduates who love the city and school and decided to stay on. Most of them are very liberal. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind. Many are minimally employed but just love the city. However, there are quite a few teachers and teaching assistants who are radicals dedicated to spreading an agenda of what they call “Social Justice” but which really means “take the money of those who have it and give it to those who don’t.” (That “those who have it” group includes, in their minds, most people able to own homes in The Villages.) These radical teachers (a small minority of the teachers there, actually) are popular and develop coteries of student followers and train them by assigning reading material and research assignments and developing classes that teach how to effectively combat what they call “white privilege”—which is also a code word for overthrowing the established order (though I think most African-American young people don’t realize that). A lot of their graduates hang on in Madison.

There is no need to have an “organization” to which these people answer. They can learn what they need to learn online from many sites and from their teachers. Don’t imagine that labeling some organization as terrorist is going to stop anything. It won’t. It’s what they WANT! If they are persecuted, they will gain more sympathizers and followers. That’s how they win! It’s not “Antifa”! It’s people who agree, have learned what to do to sow discord, and are willing to do it. There was an attempt to do this in the late sixties and early seventies, but it wasn’t big enough and it frittered out, though a couple million Americans still believe in the goals and may even run for office.

For decades, scholars have written books explaining that the purpose of terrorism is to get the normal, average, law-abiding people of a country (most of us) so upset at these acts that we decide we are willing to take strong actions to stop the anarchy: willing to crack down. So we crack down hard, and as a result millions are so appalled by the new laws that they sympathize with the protestors and join the attempts to overthrow the government. Most of these people are good, decent people, but the government reaction to violent protests and terrorism lead them to seek peace by overthrowing the government and democracy and the rule of law. That is usually the goal. That is how it is playing out now. Naturally, countries that believe in communism and would like to see us overthrown are providing propaganda to inflame both sides—all sides. Fighting and disagreement and separation of friends from friends is how they hope to decrease American power and influence. (I have friends at The Villages who frequently repost disgusting and untrue memes on Facebook that they think are witty barbs against liberals, but were designed and originally posted by Russian trolls.)

Two of my children have marched in BLM rallies because they believe in fairness and equality. They are as far from radicals as can be. Whatever the skin color, I think that describes the majority of protestors. But there are definitely anarchists trying to sow anarchy in hope that it will lead to a violent overthrow of our country or at least change millions of minds. That is their agenda. Some of the arson and violence comes from these anarchists. Most of the looting and a lot of the arson and violence is done by criminals and thugs and people who just want free stuff. Meanwhile, the anarchists win whether or not they are in charge. Every time police fire tear gas canisters or rubber bullets or use their shields and clubs, the anarchists win. Again they aren’t organized. They are amorphous. But they still win, a bit at a time, as they politicize both left and right and those in-between.

[I was a state university professor for 34 years and before that a state university graduate student. I’ve watched this happen. When I arrived At my school in 1986, we taught mostly literature classes about various periods of English and American literature. It was a sacred calling to us. Today most of those classes are seldom taught. We used to think English majors should get out of college knowing a little about ever period and every major writer. No more! The department has been taken over by people who openly talk with scorn in department meetings against teaching the work of “dead white men.” They now teach more classes about Activist Writing and how to do it and publish it than they do about the great works of the past. In response to the current situation, the director of freshman writing is developing a new composition class syllabus she hopes most teachers will use called something like “Anti-Racist Activist Writing”. That will sound good to a LOT of students at my school, but it’s a great chance to indoctrinate hundreds of students every semester with communist and anarchist ideas and give them the tools to join the “struggle.” I’m so glad I’ve retired. I couldn’t take it anymore.]

Read the article in the liberal Baltimore paper about racism, it will answer a lot of questions.

This has nothing to do with protests. WHY aren't these people going to jail?

In my opinion protesters have never accomplished anything just disturbing the peace.

I did watch that documentary. Which views of mine are you interested in exploring?

Pick one of my views from this and previouscomments.

I support BLM.

I feel this is the most racist community I've ever lived in and have personally heard the N word freely spoken to me on several occasions.

I pointed out a person's post as having a racist remark because they believed the color of person at their door was proof enough that the person was a scammer.

I'm not going to review all of my comments but feel free to do so and I'll defend them. As far as this latest comment, what in particular prompted your assessment that I needed educational assistance?

Well said Choro

I have to laugh at all the people who post about protesters. Unless your of color you have no idea what its like . Imagine every time your children and loved ones leave the house and not knowing if they will be stopped by law enforcement, and harmed or killed. Change is needed and our great country is what it is because of protesting. Its almost laughable when I hear people concerned about a Wendys or a statue getting damaged but cant name 3 innocent lives taken by Law enforcement just in the last year .

Thank you so much for input and perspective. Much appreciated.

These protestors, obviously ignorant of history, are really children needing discipline. And in cases of assault, jail time. Their cause has lost its meaning and become one only of destruction.

Which is why I was respectful when I asked you...to watch the documentary.

I'm impressed that you, contrary to so many others around here...took the time to watch it. :thumbup:

What threw me though, after you admirably pointed out racism in a couple of instances...was this. :confused:

I am not a fan of those (particularly at the national level) who often say "people are saying," or "some people say," or "people have told me"...Etc., Etc.

If I misconstrued your intent, then I am not averse (like some of those same folks at the national level) of admitting I was wrong...and proffering my apologies. :ho:

BLM isn't about Black Lives. Perhaps this will help.
YouTube

It’s not that simple. Each of these mobs contain a variety of people with different reasons for being there. Some actually believe BLM and are there to give voice to hat they believe is tyranny. Others are tyrannical activists who very opportunistically use BLM protests to do their dirty deeds. The BLM protesters are put in harms way by these thugs. The thugs count on the police’s reluctance to harm the BLM protesters. The BLM protesters are serving as “cover” for the thugs.

Any group affiliation or ideology any thug claims is bad and anti-American.

The goal is to dismantle American culture, history and government.

They want socialism and they are willing to force it on us by any means possible.

Black Lives Matter is a trained Marxist organization. YouTube

The Obamas are not on the board of directors, and never were. They were courted by Netflix with the opportunity and turned it down. They did, however, sign a production rights deal, after Obama's final term in office. In other words - as a civilian and not as a member of government. Susan Rice was added to the list of the board of directors in 2018 though - after she was removed from government by trump. Again, as a civilian.

If you have a problem with that, create your own streaming network and don't invite either of them to help you generate your profits.

If you won’t listen to regular folks, then maybe you will listen to FBI Director Wray:

FBI Director Christopher Wray’s Remarks at Press Conference Regarding Civil Unrest in Wake of George Floyd’s Death — FBI

Sometimes.
 

Sometimes, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Sometimes, it is intended as a mirror in hopes one may recognize one's self.
Sometimes, it is used as justification for thoughts or deeds, good or bad. Sometimes.

To all: keep up the good fight (discussions), but fight fair.
There is no one so wise that they can not learn.

Why do we continue to play right into the thugs’ hands?

They want to DIVIDE & CONQUER.

If you don’t want socialism, then we had all better keep our eyes on the prize.

Per the link...


Of which I TOTALLY agree with.

Next? :ho:

If any of what you said is true, then why hasn’t the BLM separated themselves from these terrorist infiltrators? Or at a minimum, denounced their participation? Why do they allow themselves to be categorized with the organized anti-American enemies of our country??

In answer to the OP's question.

THIS is why they're protesting. :ohdear:


Three Cops Fired

Why hasn’t EVERY American leader used their voice and power to speak and act against the destructive riots? Why haven’t ALL of them warned the citizens about the real and present danger being posed to our country? Are they in denial or do they hope to benefit, after the dust settles?

The answers are not hidden. They are widely available if you care to understand.

If you don’t believe me, do some research. Listen to the voices of many black leaders who are now bravely warning that BLM and the rioters are extremely dangerous to everyone.

I was responding to Chatbrat's claim and opinion based on that claim. I don't think Chatbrat is a thug. I also don't think Netflix is a thug. I also don't feel that the Obamas or Susan Rice are thugs. I also don't think any of these people/entities are trying to promote socialism.

So I'm confused as to why you are responding to my post with your comment. It doesn't really seem to pertain to anything I said.

Also, I'm a little concerned as to your use of the term "socialism." I'm thinking you might be confusing it with something else. Socialism is a catch-phrase that encompasses several different systems under one umbrella term.

Our medicaid and medicare and social security system and welfare and assistance to the poor are all based on concepts of socialism. They are not "socialist" implementations per se, but that is the system the government used in order to create these programs in the first place. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Conversely, China's methodology of "all business owned by the government" and a singular dictator in charge of deciding who gets to benefit from it, is also borrowed from the socialism system - and we see how much fun THAT is.

The word "socialism," in other words, does not inherently mean something negative nor positive. It is a system that, if it worked and was implemented all at once, would benefit pretty much everyone. Unfortunately it is never implemented all at once, and pieces of it are typically implemented by dictators who have no interest in benefiting everyone. And so socialism, as a whole, is not 100% successful anywhere in the world.

But as concepts go, it's really not a bad one, not something to fear. Dictatorship, fascism, that's something to fear. When you combine fascism with socialism you get China, Laos, and Cuba.

Good question. Some posts with links earlier in this thread shed light on the truth behind the BLM group. What people think they are, is not what they really are.

Keep asking questions. That’s a very good thing.

We need to pull together & stop bickering with each other. D vs. R won’t matter if we all forced to become socialists. We need to keep our beliefs that can improve our democracy In the future but Immediately stop pandering to BLM because we are playing right into the goals of the thugs.

Please do some research

SOME people did SOME things.

Socialism is government ownership of means of production. When there is no incentive to earn a profit no incentive to be efficient or improve what you make or do you do not have an efficiently functioning economy.

As a wise man once said Capitalism is a terrible system but better than every other system ever created.

Nothing wrong with govt preventing capitalism to run uncontrolled but nothing better than capitalism.

We became the #1 economy thru capitalism.

FBI Director Christopher Wray’s Remarks at Press Conference Regarding Civil Unrest in Wake of George Floyd’s Death

June 4, 2020

“In recent days, the violence, threat to life, and destruction of property that we’ve seen in some parts of the country jeopardizes the rights and safety of all citizens, including peaceful demonstrators. It has to stop. We’re seeing people who are exploiting this situation to pursue violent, extremist agendas—anarchists like Antifa and other agitators. These individuals have set out to sow discord and upheaval, rather than join in the righteous pursuit of equality and justice. And by driving us apart, they are.”

~source: fbi.gov

"Momentum is an organization that helps other organizers - organize. They give them the tools to do what they already are planning to do, by teaching them effective strategies. It's like any other organizational or motivational or public relations company."

It says right there on their own website that BLM is one of the organizations they have worked with.