Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1976835)

I'm not so sure that is correct. The medical community knows more about this virus today than when this pandemic first hit us like a ton of bricks. There are treatments for the disease now that were not available when the first wave of people were dying of Covid-19.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1976305)

Interesting how the OP started with the possible long term side effects of the vaccine, and everyone wants to talk about the effects of the virus itself.
Of course, the vaccine has saved lives. That's a no-brainer. This is not a debate on whether or not the vaccine worked. It is about possible long term side effects.
My only concern was/is what the long term effects might be to children. Children have weathered this pandemic pretty well, over all. My suggestion has been that since they mostly seem to be handling the virus well, why subject them to something that may or may not be necessary. Is it really expedient that they should be vaccinated right this instant? My question is, can this wait until we know more about how this vaccine works with the other vaccines they have bombarded upon them at their early age. What might not have a long term effect on us "old" folks, might cause some long term side effects to them. Just wondering and speculating. I value my grandkids very much and hate to see a hasty decision made that might not be necessary. Knowing that these children have all kinds of inoculations before entering the school system, do we really know if this "new" serum will play nicely with the stuff being pumped into them already? Is there really a danger to the kids if they DON'T get the vaccination right now?

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1976329)

You're better than that.

I am sure you are aware that long-haul effects are those that have or will cause permanent changes or damage. From the moment you get it you are destined to no cure.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1976348)

Except the dead ones, and the ones with permanent lung/heart damage, and permanently compromised immune systems. They didn't weather the pandemic so great.


Yeah let's wait to see if they get sick and die in the next year from the current new strain, and future new strains. If they don't get sick and die, then we can uh - not vaccinate them since clearly they've weathered the pandemic. If they get sick and die, then uh - I guess we probably should've vaccinated them. Ooops.

I'll compare your reasoning to drowning women to see if they're witches. If they float, they're witches and you can execute them. If they're not witches, they'll drown. Woops.

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1976543)

No, that is not what was reported. What was reported is that it is 225% more transmissable (I have not looked into the exact assumptions that went into that number) than the original strain and one study from China showed that infected people have a 1000 times higher average viral load in their respiratory system. That does not mean it is 1000 times more transmissable.

Delta Variant Is On The Rise. Here's How To Stay Safe And Protect Others : Shots - Health News : NPR

Originally Posted by worahm (Post 1976695)

Maybe not. My son came down with polio symptoms after taking the mandatory polio vaccine on a sugar cube many years ago.

There were days he could not get out of bed. Apparently, the weakened virus he received was not as weak as it was suppose to be. He is 60 years old and still experiences those symptoms.

We were informed he had no legal recourse.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1976857)

Honestly, that is not what I heard Dr. Scott Gotlied say on television but I certainly would prefer to believe your stats, that is for sure!!!

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1976805)

This is a prime example of not understanding what you're reading...

The study stated the=at the Delta Variant may cause the infected person to carry 1000 Xs "the viral load"...

NOT that it is 1000 Xs more transmissible...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1976831)

But, but, but..... I like my "big words" almost as much as I like my rolling laughing little men:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1976862)

Doubtful anyone said that. More likely you misinterpreted what he said.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1976853)

I do understand your concerns and they are very valid concerns. But.......my concern is that even children can transmit the disease when they are asymptomatic. The idea of children being one of the causes of mutations and more variants does not sit well with me.

We, as a community, as a nation as part of the global community, need to do everything we can to stop this virus from mutating and creating more variants. For this reason, children do need to be vaccinated. Why eliminate this segment of the population from doing their part to quell this pandemic?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1976866)

I didn't read that the Delta variant is 1000 X more transmissible. I heard Dr. Scott Gotlieb say it on the news on television. I just remember my eyes widened quite a bit when I heard it. I even played it back. I have no doubt, that is what I heard.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1976991)

Then that Dr is an idiot...

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1975751)

Almost guaranteed it will have SOME long term side affects. And for some (few) those long term side affects will be serious.

Nothing is perfect. PERIOD. The issue is are the side affects worse than letting the virus run rampant throughout the country/world and mutating at will, into something with even worse long term affects on humanity.

Just my Not So Humble Opinion.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1977014)

No, Dr. Scott Gotlieb is not an idiot. I would bet that I was incorrect in what I heard him say so there is that. Tonight on the evening news with Lester Holt, it was said that the Delta variant has 1000X more viral load than the original virus. This is not good news. Either way, this Delta variant is the latest issue we are dealing with in this pandemic.