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jimjamuser 01-24-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2179504)
You mean walking paths like Hogs Eye Trail, that meanders thru THE TREES that they DID NOT CUT DOWN???

Did you not read the many posts in this thread about people complaining that they were building TOO MANY PITCH AND PUTTS AND NOT ENOUGH EXECUTIVE AND CHAMPIONSHIP COURSES???

But you're right... No one wants to play on the bigger courses because golf is of no interest to the younger retirees...

A while back, my buddy and I were driving down to one of the exec courses thru March bend area and he commented that he was impressed that TV had left SO MUCH LAND UNDEVELOPED along the MMP and nearby walking trail. And that no other developer would do that...

And based on the number of golf rounds played per year in TV, no more people would use the golf courses...

Now, this isn't snark - this is an attempt at a CUTE JOKE.........here goes........wait for it.........is that buddy the hairy one in the picture with the 4 paws........what a cutie!

Bogie Shooter 01-24-2023 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179540)
I have noticed the situation as quite the opposite. I notice areas left with trees to be swampy or otherwise unsuitable for building houses. I have NOT looked at every walking trail in TV Land, so some may be built on high ground. But, also some walking areas could be just money in the bank to allow builders to return in the future and build houses.
........I remember that where there once was a fenced-in acreage for a herd of buffalo, but now today on 466 there are stores and assisted living. This amounts to both progress and the big bucks.

Tell me why the Buffalo were removed? I know do you?

golfing eagles 01-24-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179552)
Tell me why the Buffalo were removed? I know do you?

Wasn't their farts causing global warming???? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Or did grandpa do something incredibly stupid.

Bogie Shooter 01-24-2023 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179554)
Wasn't their farts causing global warming???? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Or did grandpa do something incredibly stupid.

Waiting for jimjams reply.

JMintzer 01-24-2023 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179538)
And also once again, I would say that it matters NOT, and not anything, about what the land was used for BEFORE THE VILLAGES purchased it. It could have been used for passenger pigeon races, snipe hunts, or a drag strip. The Villages has the wherewithal to turn about anything into anything. They could cut trees, they could plant saplings, they could have brought in mature palms or other trees. It ONLY matters what they DO AFTER they buy land. What they usually do after they buy land is move in GIANT EARTH MOVING equipment and TEAR the crappola out of anything animal or vegetable that gets in their way. Then they do homes and golf courses or WHATEVER they want. Lately, they have REALIZED that younger 50-year-olds are NOT quite as enamored by the large, long golf courses as other sports (like softball) and the shorter pitch and putt courses. So, they are bending to demand......like "bend the knee" in Game of Thrones. I hope this prevents my further getting misquoted.

Once again, you repeat the same false information...

They are building and have plans for 3-4 MORE Championship and 3-5 MORE Executive courses...

The current Pitch & putt and Putting courses were added in as a fill in for land that was too small for bigger courses. NOT because of a lagging interest in golf...

And they DO plant mature palms and all sorts of trees, bushes and other ground cover. The even do it on those dreaded championship and executive golf courses that no one plays on anymore, since they're too crowded (with a nod to Yogi...)

You would know that if you ever actually visited a golf course. But you'd rather make up nonsense...

Yes, they could buy cow pastures and replant them into a forest. IF THEY WERE INSANE... What developer anywhere would do such a foolish thing?

JMintzer 01-24-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179540)
I have noticed the situation as quite the opposite. I notice areas left with trees to be swampy or otherwise unsuitable for building houses. I have NOT looked at every walking trail in TV Land, so some may be built on high ground. But, also some walking areas could be just money in the bank to allow builders to return in the future and build houses.
........I remember that where there once was a fenced-in acreage for a herd of buffalo, but now today on 466 there are stores and assisted living. This amounts to both progress and the big bucks.

You're living in a fantasy land...

You really think that once all of the underground infrastructure is in place, and all the houses are built out, that they will return and add MORE houses to a village? Where do you come up with such nonsense?

And the buffalo were removed because some idiots kept wanting to pet them and got injured. Now, they were left with vacant land. They used that land for another purpose... They saw a need and addressed it...

JMintzer 01-24-2023 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179548)
Not sure how "intentional" that was about the houses being built on higher ground than the (UGG) long golf fairways. Maybe it is just natural for the homes to look DOWN on the (re-ugg) long golf fairways rather than the homes looking UP at the (re-re-ugg) long golf fairways. Plus waste stuff flows downhill and more (uggy) golf balls would go through more windows if the fairways were higher.

Ugg (sic), more nonsense...You know absolutely nothing about water management on a golf course...

Of course the golf course is built lower than the houses. They WANT that extra water. It decreases the need for watering.

I used to live on a TPC course in MD. EVERY SINGLE HOUSE was built higher than the adjacent course... It's done ON PURPOSE...

JMintzer 01-24-2023 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179552)
Tell me why the Buffalo were removed? I know do you?

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179554)
Wasn't their farts causing global warming???? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Or did grandpa do something incredibly stupid.

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179562)
Waiting for jimjams reply.

Sorry, I wrecked the surprise... I posted the answer before I saw your questions... My bad...

Papa_lecki 01-24-2023 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179548)
Not sure how "intentional" that was about the houses being built on higher ground than the (UGG) long golf fairways. Maybe it is just natural for the homes to look DOWN on the (re-ugg) long golf fairways rather than the homes looking UP at the (re-re-ugg) long golf fairways. Plus waste stuff flows downhill and more (uggy) golf balls would go through more windows if the fairways were higher.

It’s called civil engineering - rain water management, it is not an accident.

Two Bills 01-25-2023 06:33 AM

I have to laugh at all the moans about how far people have to travel for shops and golf.
No one travels more than 15 minutes anywhere in TV (unless on foot) to a shop or golf course.
I will wager that the majority traveled a whole lot further in their previous homes.
I agree infrastucture went in before homes "Up North" in previous years, but everything will come to those who wait!

BrianL99 01-25-2023 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179548)
Not sure how "intentional" that was about the houses being built on higher ground than the (UGG) long golf fairways. Maybe it is just natural for the homes to look DOWN on the (re-ugg) long golf fairways rather than the homes looking UP at the (re-re-ugg) long golf fairways. Plus waste stuff flows downhill and more (uggy) golf balls would go through more windows if the fairways were higher.


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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2179588)
It’s called civil engineering - rain water management, it is not an accident.

This is like an Abbott & Costello routine.

Who would build houses at a lower elevation than a golf course, when the golf course happens to be part of one of the most sophisticated drainage systems in the USA?

In a battle of wits, it's best to come armed .... I thought everyone knew that?

BobbyD1955 01-25-2023 08:15 AM

Great courses
 
Great courses if just learning or kids come to visit. They get a lot of play not always because they can't get on elsewhere, but be cause the like them. More executive courses coming south of 44, be patient.

JMintzer 01-25-2023 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2179617)
This is like an Abbott & Costello routine.

Who would build houses at a lower elevation than a golf course, when the golf course happens to be part of one of the most sophisticated drainage systems in the USA?

In a battle of wits, it's best to come armed .... I thought everyone knew that?

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jimjamuser 01-25-2023 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179552)
Tell me why the Buffalo were removed? I know do you?

Really want to know?.......OK......Some stupid Villagers allowed their stupid grandchildren to crawl through the fence and go out to "PET" the nice, cuddly BUFFALO. Then the buffalo did what buffalo do and protected their herd and charged the children. Later on the Buffalo got shot and sent out to restaurants. Moral of the story......stupidity reigns supreme in the camp of the ignorant.

golfing eagles 01-25-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179818)
Really want to know?.......OK......Some stupid Villagers allowed their stupid grandchildren to crawl through the fence and go out to "PET" the nice, cuddly BUFFALO. Then the buffalo did what buffalo do and protected their herd and charged the children. Later on the Buffalo got shot and sent out to restaurants. Moral of the story......stupidity reigns supreme in the camp of the ignorant.

Sure does. But that's that many less buffalo burps you have to worry about causing global warming :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Papa_lecki 01-25-2023 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2179617)
This is like an Abbott & Costello routine.

Who would build houses at a lower elevation than a golf course, when the golf course happens to be part of one of the most sophisticated drainage systems in the USA?

In a battle of wits, it's best to come armed .... I thought everyone knew that?

It was dumb luck.

Bogie Shooter 01-25-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179818)
Really want to know?.......OK......Some stupid Villagers allowed their stupid grandchildren to crawl through the fence and go out to "PET" the nice, cuddly BUFFALO. Then the buffalo did what buffalo do and protected their herd and charged the children. Later on the Buffalo got shot and sent out to restaurants. Moral of the story......stupidity reigns supreme in the camp of the ignorant.

So, they really were not moved by the greedy Developer to sell the land. Sometimes your stories don’t make any sense.

Kenswing 01-25-2023 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179844)
So, they really were not moved by the greedy Developer to sell the land. Sometimes your stories don’t make any sense.

Sometimes? :shrug:

JMintzer 01-25-2023 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2179847)
Sometimes? :shrug:

Beat me to it! :icon_wink:

asianthree 01-25-2023 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179818)
Really want to know?.......OK......Some stupid Villagers allowed their stupid grandchildren to crawl through the fence and go out to "PET" the nice, cuddly BUFFALO. Then the buffalo did what buffalo do and protected their herd and charged the children. Later on the Buffalo got shot and sent out to restaurants. Moral of the story......stupidity reigns supreme in the camp of the ignorant.

Truly if the Buffalo would have charged children they would be dead.

So the real story grandpa held up the 4yo male grandchild, to pet Buffalo, leaning over the fence. Buffalo bit the child’s fingers. Lawsuit followed.

Buffalo moved to undisclosed area. Which some who live and work for TV, know exactly where they reside now.

jimjamuser 01-26-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179844)
So, they really were not moved by the greedy Developer to sell the land. Sometimes your stories don’t make any sense.

That PARTICULAR story ( about where have all the Buffalo gone, long time passing) MUST make sense because it is TRUE.......... TRUTH has a way of making SENSE and being logical. And when it is said that sometimes I DON'T make sense, that is ALMOST a compliment because it MUST mean that most of the time, I MUST make sense.
........Thanks, I appreciate that. No one is perfect so I can be pleased when I make sense most of the time. And since this is an OPINION forum, then some folks are always going to disagree with some other folks. That's just HUMAN NATURE. One man's opinion about what makes sense is another man's (or woman's) nonsense.

jimjamuser 01-26-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2179900)
Truly if the Buffalo would have charged children they would be dead.

So the real story grandpa held up the 4yo male grandchild, to pet Buffalo, leaning over the fence. Buffalo bit the child’s fingers. Lawsuit followed.

Buffalo moved to undisclosed area. Which some who live and work for TV, know exactly where they reside now.

OK. I can believe that version of the story. It is only SLIGHTLY different from the story as I heard it. Your details MAY (?) be more accurate than the story that I was told. It is all 2nd hand stories. None of us were actually there at that time. Maybe there was something accurate that could be relied upon written in a newspaper article back then. It is NOT that interesting that anyone wants to do RESEARCH on it.
.........I just tried to be helpful because some other poster brought up the question.
.........And as to the last sentence about the Buffalo being MOVED........I would question that as just a story to make TV Land feel better about where they went.....just like the stories told by the alligator trappers about RELOCATING the alligators. Yes, the alligators get relocated to peoples' stomachs by the alligator trappers. I TEND to think that the Buffalo exist today absorbed from the stomachs of some humans into their muscle structure.

Vermilion Villager 01-26-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180085)
OK. I can believe that version of the story. It is only SLIGHTLY different from the story as I heard it. Your details MAY (?) be more accurate than the story that I was told. It is all 2nd hand stories. None of us were actually there at that time. Maybe there was something accurate that could be relied upon written in a newspaper article back then. It is NOT that interesting that anyone wants to do RESEARCH on it.
.........I just tried to be helpful because some other poster brought up the question.
.........And as to the last sentence about the Buffalo being MOVED........I would question that as just a story to make TV Land feel better about where they went.....just like the stories told by the alligator trappers about RELOCATING the alligators. Yes, the alligators get relocated to peoples' stomachs by the alligator trappers. I TEND to think that the Buffalo exist today absorbed from the stomachs of some humans into their muscle structure.

Only in the villages could the original post be about pitch and putt golf courses and morph into buffaloes attacking children, and trapping alligators. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

jimjamuser 01-26-2023 02:59 PM

OK. I think that Pitch and Putt golf has the advantage that it appeals to more people than Executive courses. - the number of beginners in ANY sport ALWAYS exceeds the number of experts. The experts are willing to travel further for a course, so it is advantageous to have as MANY Pitch and Putts available as possible and as CLOSE as possible. The PNP courses have the advantages of COSTING much less to build and maintain while appealing to a greater audience. It seems strange to me that expert golfers would NOT want to encourage as many beginners to their sport as possible. It seems SELFISH to deny the PNP players a solid introduction to their fine and to-be-worshipped sport. You can't have a GREAT sport without a solid foundation. That is what female athletes learned beginning in about 1970 with the introduction of female soccer, tennis, running sports, and many others.
.......If I were managing The Villages' sport development, I would put in another track in the newest Villages. And I would set up an indoor (or outdoor) rock climbing situation. Also roller skate obstacle tracks. Dog obedience classes. Dog breeding classes. Dog fetching frisbees classes. Dog field trial exhibitions. Fly casting classes. Something (?) for cat lovers. And maybe some hedgehog races. Just kidding about the hedgehogs, but they can be quite cute.

rustyp 01-26-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2180094)
Only in the villages could the original post be about pitch and putt golf courses and morph into buffaloes attacking children, and trapping alligators. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

Give it enough time and it will turn to dog poop.

Bogie Shooter 01-26-2023 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180155)
OK. I think that Pitch and Putt golf has the advantage that it appeals to more people than Executive courses. - the number of beginners in ANY sport ALWAYS exceeds the number of experts. The experts are willing to travel further for a course, so it is advantageous to have as MANY Pitch and Putts available as possible and as CLOSE as possible. The PNP courses have the advantages of COSTING much less to build and maintain while appealing to a greater audience. It seems strange to me that expert golfers would NOT want to encourage as many beginners to their sport as possible. It seems SELFISH to deny the PNP players a solid introduction to their fine and to-be-worshipped sport. You can't have a GREAT sport without a solid foundation. That is what female athletes learned beginning in about 1970 with the introduction of female soccer, tennis, running sports, and many others.
.......If I were managing The Villages' sport development, I would put in another track in the newest Villages. And I would set up an indoor (or outdoor) rock climbing situation. Also roller skate obstacle tracks. Dog obedience classes. Dog breeding classes. Dog fetching frisbees classes. Dog field trial exhibitions. Fly casting classes. Something (?) for cat lovers. And maybe some hedgehog races. Just kidding about the hedgehogs, but they can be quite cute.

There is a Villages sport development department?

JMintzer 01-26-2023 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180155)
OK. I think that Pitch and Putt golf has the advantage that it appeals to more people than Executive courses. - the number of beginners in ANY sport ALWAYS exceeds the number of experts. The experts are willing to travel further for a course, so it is advantageous to have as MANY Pitch and Putts available as possible and as CLOSE as possible. The PNP courses have the advantages of COSTING much less to build and maintain while appealing to a greater audience. It seems strange to me that expert golfers would NOT want to encourage as many beginners to their sport as possible. It seems SELFISH to deny the PNP players a solid introduction to their fine and to-be-worshipped sport. You can't have a GREAT sport without a solid foundation. That is what female athletes learned beginning in about 1970 with the introduction of female soccer, tennis, running sports, and many others.
.......If I were managing The Villages' sport development, I would put in another track in the newest Villages. And I would set up an indoor (or outdoor) rock climbing situation. Also roller skate obstacle tracks. Dog obedience classes. Dog breeding classes. Dog fetching frisbees classes. Dog field trial exhibitions. Fly casting classes. Something (?) for cat lovers. And maybe some hedgehog races. Just kidding about the hedgehogs, but they can be quite cute.

One would think that the courses with plenty of open tee-times, by definition would be LESS POPULAR that those courses where it's nearly very difficult to get any tee-times, let alone good ones?

I just described the difference between the pitch & putts and the executive courses.

Those "oh so popular pitch & putts" have plenty of open tee-times, day in and day out. Where the executive courses (where beginners can get a better feel for the ENTIRE GAME OF GOLF) are nearly full, day in and day out...

Add to that, there are also more than 10xs as many executive courses than pitch & putts...

Of course you're free to "think" anything you like, but the FACTS prove your "thoughts" to be wrong...

And you actually thing "rock climbing walls" and "roller skate obstacle tracks" are a good thing for senior citizens? Are you an orthopedic surgeon, who's been punking us all this time? Trying to drum up business?

You constantly talk about golf causing injuries to people. What do you think a "roller skate obstacle track" will do?

I won't even comment on your other suggestions, but I'd like to have some of whatever you were smoking when you came up with them...

JMintzer 01-26-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2180161)
Give it enough time and it will turn to dog poop.

It's already turned to crap...

Two Bills 01-26-2023 03:48 PM

I had to laugh about Dog fetching Frisbee classes.
Last dog I had, used to look at me as if I was nuts when I threw things for him to fetch.
His attitude was, "You threw the Bl**dy thing, you go fetch it!"

jimjamuser 01-26-2023 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180155)
OK. I think that Pitch and Putt golf has the advantage that it appeals to more people than Executive courses. - the number of beginners in ANY sport ALWAYS exceeds the number of experts. The experts are willing to travel further for a course, so it is advantageous to have as MANY Pitch and Putts available as possible and as CLOSE as possible. The PNP courses have the advantages of COSTING much less to build and maintain while appealing to a greater audience. It seems strange to me that expert golfers would NOT want to encourage as many beginners to their sport as possible. It seems SELFISH to deny the PNP players a solid introduction to their fine and to-be-worshipped sport. You can't have a GREAT sport without a solid foundation. That is what female athletes learned beginning in about 1970 with the introduction of female soccer, tennis, running sports, and many others.
.......If I were managing The Villages' sport development, I would put in another track in the newest Villages. And I would set up an indoor (or outdoor) rock climbing situation. Also roller skate obstacle tracks. Dog obedience classes. Dog breeding classes. Dog fetching frisbees classes. Dog field trial exhibitions. Fly casting classes. Something (?) for cat lovers. And maybe some hedgehog races. Just kidding about the hedgehogs, but they can be quite cute.

Just remembered a good sport for those loyal and enthusiastic cat lovers. The great international sport of "cat juggling". This sport, I believe, was popularized in the United States by that former "All World" champion cat juggler.........Steve Martin, who was well known to be a great athlete in his youth. He could play the banjo with one hand and juggle 3 cats simultaneously in the other hand.

JMintzer 01-26-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180195)
Just remembered a good sport for those loyal and enthusiastic cat lovers. The great international sport of "cat juggling". This sport, I believe, was popularized in the United States by that former "All World" champion cat juggler.........Steve Martin, who was well known to be a great athlete in his youth. He could play the banjo with one hand and juggle 3 cats simultaneously in the other hand.

Like that's hard to do... :jester:

jimjamuser 01-28-2023 10:48 AM

I think that the original thread starter calling the pitch and putt courses to be "non-desirable" to be ignorant and elitist. Why does he get to make that judgement?

golfing eagles 01-28-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180674)
I think that the original thread starter calling the pitch and putt courses to be "non-desirable" to be ignorant and elitist. Why does he get to make that judgement?

Like you, he is entitled to his opinion. The bigger question is: How did this thread go from pitch and putt golf to cat juggling?????

JMintzer 01-28-2023 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180674)
I think that the original thread starter calling the pitch and putt courses to be "non-desirable" to be ignorant and elitist. Why does he get to make that judgement?

Because there are some actual facts so back up that opinion...

JMintzer 01-28-2023 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2180687)
Like you, he is entitled to his opinion. The bigger question is: How did this thread go from pitch and putt golf to cat juggling?????

If you have to ask... :p

Normal 01-28-2023 03:12 PM

We Need MORE Pitch and Putts
 
These courses are wonderful and great exercise. Golf carts are not permitted on them and all of them require skill. Hopefully they put more in the Villages! Sorry Northerners, you probably don’t have the room.

jimjamuser 01-29-2023 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2180687)
Like you, he is entitled to his opinion. The bigger question is: How did this thread go from pitch and putt golf to cat juggling?????

Well, that was just a 9 iron away.

jimjamuser 01-29-2023 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2180687)
Like you, he is entitled to his opinion. The bigger question is: How did this thread go from pitch and putt golf to cat juggling?????

I call......OVERLY judgemental!

BrianL99 01-29-2023 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=Dog breeding classes .[/QUOTE]


There's a classic. I'm sure neighbors breeding dogs would go over well in the neighborhood.

... as if there aren't already enough discussions about dogs in The Villages.

jimjamuser 01-29-2023 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2181081)
There's a classic. I'm sure neighbors breeding dogs would go over well in the neighborhood.

... as if there aren't already enough discussions about dogs in The Villages.

I read a scientific text on dog breeding. also, as an aside, Russian scientists bred very stable human-loving foxes in 4 generations from wild to adorable.........true story!


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