Originally Posted by jabacon6669 (Post 2178874)

Sad to think that it's now all about the developer maximizing his dollar. The developer did a nice job laying out the championship courses further north, 27 holes, lined with homes. They look great. Championship courses are in short supply in the new areas. The focus has clearly changed.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2178819)

Please don't hold your breathe while you're waiting for them.

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911 (Post 2178336)

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2178913)

How do we get people to stop thinking that they are in charge of what a private business decides to do? How do we get people to realize that if they are no longer unhappy with the community in which they live, that they should consider doing the only thing that they have actual control over?

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2178344)

I don’t know why they built Richmond as a pitch & putt instead of as an executive. It is 18 holes and the total length is about 1300 yards. You could easily put a nine hole executive on the piece of land.

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911 (Post 2178336)

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to
Villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178655)

Basically, you don't stop it. The idea is that residents south of 44 are going to trend toward the younger range of retired seniors - like in their 50s. These younger folks don't want to WASTE the time going to a 18 hole longer type course. They realize that the longer course is BORING and of LITTLE exercise value so they would rather play the pitch and putt, which gives them the skilled shots and clubs while eliminating the driver and the 2 or whatever iron. And they may still have time to go to a weight room or run on a track for REAL EXERCISE.
...... THERE ARE many other advantages of pitch and putt.....starting with less BACK pain and injuries, which is a BIG bugaboo for the over-50 crowd that wants to pace themselves and avoid injury so that they can still be relatively PAIN free and "running, jumping, and playing" well into their 80s and up.
.......Pitch and Putt is less expensive than the alternative and leaves money left over to buy that antique vehicle that they always desired.
........Pitch and Putt is less frustrating and can be played less competitively (if desired) vs the longer alternative.
.........Pitch and Putt leaves more time at the POOL so they can work on their TAN and show off to their northern friends.
......Pitch and Putt has fewer heart attacks during the HEAT of the summer than the alternative.
.......Pitch and Putt has less grass area, therefore NEEDS less fertilizer that can run off into the close by lakes and pollute them. Also, there is the obvious need for less water, which helps keep the cost of water DOWN and helps out with the resident's budget.
........I may have missed a few others ?

Originally Posted by derkster (Post 2178405)

The least they could do is treat the Pitch and Putt courses as a separate category in the reservation system like they do with Executive and Championship courses. I would actually play them if it did not add a point to my Executive play totals. It is a point that impacts getting group reservations in the system and should not be considered as having played an Executive course.

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911 (Post 2178377)

Yep…. If people don’t stand up they will go to virtual golf. What could be cheaper? I have contacted them, is there batter suggestions?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178978)

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178978)

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

Originally Posted by Gatorgreen (Post 2178963)

Exactly

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178826)

Horse hockey! They are building 5-6 more Executive and 3 more Championship courses below 44.

To your other points... You know nothing about golf. Your comment that to play the pitch and putts, one must give up their "driver and the 2-iron" proves that. In reality, you would have to give up 9-10 of your (14) clubs to play.

Nor do you know anything about what "younger folks" want to do... When I play golf when I'm in MD, if I'm not in my usual 4-some, I'm ALWAYS playing with a 20-30 something kid...

My son in law is a golf fanatic and he's 35. He can't wait to visit next month so we can play golf... My wife thought golf was "boring" until she started playing. Now, she understands the skill and technique that goes into playing and she'll sit and watch a tournament on TV (when the weather is bad and we can't be outside playing golf or pickleball)... I suggest you actually try it. Maybe you'll learn something...

According to you:

Pickleball is bad... Too many injuries...
Golf is bad... Too many injuries (even though I regularly play with men in their 80's who can often kick my butt!)

I guess your solution is an e-bike, which gives minimal exercise and can get you killed...

All that grass on a golf course helps clear that dreaded CO2 you keep complaining about... The water used is reclaimed. The same water used in your sprinkler system...

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178999)

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
......

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178999)

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
..........And incidentally every year the world's forests decrease especially in the Amazon Rain (soon to be desert). If golfers really cared about their next generation, they would require that 5% of the cost of green fees were sent to an organization for preserving the Amazon and other forests. The US forests are all dry and burning as part of Global Warming, which most golfers are quick to ignore. I could say you folks are only "fore" yourselfs, but I won't.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178978)

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2179011)

And he’s allowed to hijack yet another thread.

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2178906)

Take a drive down Warm Springs and 470 initial land prep is underway as far as the eye can see. There's evidence everything on this map has started.

It's a little mind boggling to see the scope and rate of progress. Many of the new courses started construction six months ago.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179025)

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2178993)

Or alternatively, we could all go back to living like we did 5,000 years ago. Does that statement also hold true for virtual football, virtual soccer, virtual baseball, and my favorite, virtual polo? Personally, I'd be in favor of virtual posters (for some)

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179029)

I have to admit that even when I rarely agree with what you say, you do have the capability for some very humorous posts. Keep up that very POSITIVE work.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179025)

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2179032)

Do you have any thought on the correct way to prepare Sauerkraut?:shrug:

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2178989)

All the land dedicated to golf courses, could then become non-polluting homes, with chemical fertilizer applied by non-professionals, the grass cut by magic.

Good thinking.

Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2178995)

This time of year I've witnessed a lot more slow play, unrepaired ball marks, bunker rakes laying in the grass, and unfilled divots, the groups behind hitting up before the other group leaves the green. A requirement to attend the Good Golf Class prior to being able to make a tee time would help but, maybe not. Kind of like asking the entitled to drive a golf cart like they have some sense.:22yikes:

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2179002)

Most of the land south of the Turnpike is former ranch lan.

They try to preserve the groves of trees that were clumped together on the ranch land.

With the addition of the many ponds and landscaping, you see more diverse wildlife, especially birds, which are the "canary" for an improving environment.

Bald Eagles and even otters are now common sight fishing the ponds where cattle formerly grazed.

And keep in mind the golf courses are also part of the storm water management system.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179028)

First of all, nobody "gleefully" yells "fore", it is usually the result of a pretty bad shot or perhaps bad judgement when it was hit.

Secondly, and here's a news flash, every century dozens of species go extinct and dozens of new species emerge. Just think what your cow fart, I mean burp scenario would be like if we still had mastodons and wooly mammoths:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Extinction and speciation are dynamic processes that have flourished for 3-4 billion years. Do you think we have the wisdom to do better than nature?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179028)

First of all, nobody "gleefully" yells "fore", it is usually the result of a pretty bad shot or perhaps bad judgement when it was hit.

Secondly, and here's a news flash, every century dozens of species go extinct and dozens of new species emerge. Just think what your cow fart, I mean burp scenario would be like if we still had mastodons and wooly mammoths:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Extinction and speciation are dynamic processes that have flourished for 3-4 billion years. Do you think we have the wisdom to do better than nature?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179035)

I don't know if he does or doesn't, but I think he prefers to serve it on a re-used paper plate.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by geobar (Post 2178437)

Be Thankful "The Morse Clan" has given you a few activities South of CR-44.
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As you well know by now living South of CR-44 definitely does not have the number of activities as up North. Do you?
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Perhaps your Village Sales person did not tell you everything. For some reason, they are told WHAT TO SAY and what not to MENTION.
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People will buy South of CR-44 and do not know what they are in for.
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Just how many Publix stores do you have to shop in in the South?
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Might you have more than one shopping center for how many people?
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You need to drive North to Shop, and Dine, and to a Town Square overloading them. When they were designed it was for the number of homes being developed near them. Seems the Morse Clan does not care other than selling homes for huge profits.
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Before buying South of CR-44 do yourself a favor and talk to Real Estate Brokers not affiliated with The Villages as there are many for thier views.

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2178370)

You're right, since there are now more people playing Pickleball than golf, those resources should be devoted to more Pickleball facilities.

Covered with lights would be really great.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179043)

The "gleefully yelling FORE" was an exaggeration for EFFECT with a little HUMOROUS overtones thrown in for good measure. It IS not unusual for writers to "exaggerate for effect". Other posters have done that in other posts. Why would my humor be bad, but your humor is good? I don't see the logic?

Originally Posted by RoyCooper (Post 2178407)

Such an odd take. It's not like The Villages invented the game for selfish reasons. Pitch N Putt is an internationally recognized game.

For those of us that moved to The Villages and have no golfing experience, we're finding the PNP's to be really enjoyable and helpful to ease us into the game.

I'll bet the same people complaining about the PNP's would be REALLY complaining if they had me in from of them on an executive course holding them up as I learn what the heck I'm doing.

Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2178913)

How do we get people to stop thinking that they are in charge of what a private business decides to do? How do we get people to realize that if they are no longer unhappy with the community in which they live, that they should consider doing the only thing that they have actual control over?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2179051)

Because I'm funnier than you?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by villager4 (Post 2179069)

The executive course are not revenue producing and take up space were homes can be built. You will not see many ,if any, new executive courses with the current management,