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I agree. I am a cigar smoker but would always ask those I play with, if they don't mind. If the answer is no, it should be respected.

I have damaged lungs, I would have asked him to please do not smoke because of this reason. If he lit up anyway, I would have just left the course, it's free and I'll play another day.

IMHO some womens perfumes are LOTS worse than cigar smoke and the ones that wear the stuff that can gag a maggot put it on by the bucketful.

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 638771)

I really disagree with you on this one. He is in the minority as far as the percentage of smoking population. The scientific proof is there as to the health dangers of second-hand smoke. Plus he has been added in to a group whose habits or preferences he does not know. To light up in those circumstances is... like I said, he's either ignorant or arrogant.

He needs to ask permission, not put everyone else in the uncomfortable position of having to ask him to stop. It's common sense.

My point is that smoking is allowed on the golf course and a person doesn't "NEED" to ask anyone's permission but it would be nice.

I agree some of the perfumes are awful and overpowering --- you can always put the cigar out - but the perfume ??????

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Originally Posted by nitehawk (Post 638971)

I agree some of the perfumes are awful and overpowering --- you can always put the cigar out - but the perfume ??????

I thought of that too. I play pickleball with some people who wear perfume, and as they start perspiring it... well, never mind. Let's just say perfume should be banned from all sports.

Actually, I wouldn't mind if perfume were banned period. And I'm a girly-girl.

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 638854)

IMHO some womens perfumes are LOTS worse than cigar smoke and the ones that wear the stuff that can gag a maggot put it on by the bucketful.

Indeed, some perfumes on older women here should have been thrown in the trash in 1958.

But compared to cigar smoke, at least perfume is a clean, sanitary liquid (mostly alcohol) when it comes out of the bottle. It's not full of smoke that carries pollutants that leave nicotine and tar on things and people that then stink and form carcinogens coating everything:

"......Nicotine in third-hand smoke, the residue from tobacco smoke that clings to virtually all surfaces long after a cigarette has been extinguished, reacts with the common indoor air pollutant nitrous acid to produce dangerous carcinogens. This new potential health hazard was revealed in a multi-institutional study led by researchers with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab).

In tests at Berkeley Lab of cellulose surfaces contaminated with nicotine residues from third-hand smoke, levels of newly formed TSNAs rose 10 times following a three hour exposure to nitrous acid. TSNAs are potent carcinogens. (Photo by Roy Kaltschmidt, Berkeley Lab Public Affairs)
“The burning of tobacco releases nicotine in the form of a vapor that adsorbs strongly onto indoor surfaces, such as walls, floors, carpeting, drapes and furniture. Nicotine can persist on those materials for days, weeks and even months. Our study shows that when this residual nicotine reacts with ambient nitrous acid it forms carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines or TSNAs,” says Hugo Destaillats, a chemist with the Indoor Environment Department of Berkeley Lab’s Environmental Energy Technologies Division. “TSNAs are among the most broadly acting and potent carcinogens present in unburned tobacco and tobacco smoke.”

Destaillats is the corresponding author of a paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) titled “Formation of carcinogens indoors by surface-mediated reactions of nicotine with nitrous acid, leading to potential third-hand smoke hazards.”......

...Since the most likely human exposure to these TSNAs is through either inhalation of dust or the contact of skin with carpet or clothes, third-hand smoke would seem to pose the greatest hazard to infants and toddlers. The study’s findings indicate that opening a window or deploying a fan to ventilate the room while a cigarette burns does not eliminate the hazard of third-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors is not much of an improvement, as co-author Gundel explains......."

Study reveals dangers of nicotine in third-hand smoke � Berkeley Lab News Center