You misunderstood my comment, or I wasn't clear. Many of these executive courses are as good or better than many country club courses from a maintenance standpoint. Overall, many excellent executive courses in TV. I was referring to the golfers abusing the courses by being too lazy/inconsiderate to fix their pitch marks, sand their divots and rake the bunkers after they mess them up. They act like a bunch of pigs.

In all fairness, pigs have a hard time with the raking due to the whole hoof thing.
However, I wish the pigs would fix the ground where they forage.
Ya gotta admit that those little piglets are kind of cute though! Oink, Oink.

No disrespect meant to pigs...they don't know any better.

I think that he loves his job but is a bit frustrated when people complain and don't understand what goes into maintaining a golf course.

I worked in the golf industry for 35 years and although I loved my job, it was irritating to hear people coming in after playing and complaining about little things. I was stuck in the shop for ten to twelve hours and didn't get to play as much as I would have liked and instead of appreciating how fortunate these people were to be out playing golf, they came in whining about the greens were too slow or they got a bad lie in a fairway.

Like I said, I loved my job, but it was annoying and frustrating to hear people who should have been out enjoying themselves come in complaining while you were working hard to make their time at the club as enjoyable as possible.

I think the pin placements should be on the ponds because that's where my balls go.

One person's truthful observation is another person's "complaining". As in your statement regarding being "stuck" in the pro shop for 10 to 12 hours. Many people would feel lucky to be working in the golf industry, being paid to be at a beautiful country club atmosphere all day, meeting new and interesting people, mostly in a good mood because they're at the golf course, not stuck in their cubicle office environment. Successful businesses understand that the customer can make or break them. Ergo "the customer is always right" cliche. You won't find too many successful businesses if the owner thinks customer dissatisfaction is just picky "complaining". Golf swing fundamentals is a combination of very precise movements and synchronization of those movements. The difficulty of doing this well is what attracts many to the game. Take the top player in most country clubs, a person that has that swing and ball striking consistency you wish you had, and you will likely find a person that is still practicing more than most, still working on improving their swing mechanics, etc.; never totally satisfied with their level of performance. The people that approach (not achieve) this perfection, many times expect this level of dedication from everyone else. It's not so much that they are complaining. They are just responding to the employee obligatory greeting "how was your round today". Or maybe they think that the course depends on their input to improve the course conditions, as in "what did the manager say when you told him about your poor service" or "did you call the course superintendent to tell them about the poor pin placements".

Most people get in the golf business because they love the game and they love to play. Unfortunately for most of us we find that we're not able to play very much because we spend so much time helping others enjoy their time at the the club.

You're right, I've heard many people talking about how they'd feel lucky to be able to spend every day at a beautiful country club. Believe me, it's a lot different when you are there to work than when you are there to play.
But I will admit that it was much better then working in an office. My work life varied tremendously every day. I did meet interesting people and it was very rewarding to know that I helped some of those people play better and enjoy the game more. But, it's not a bed of roses and working in an environment where every is on their recreation time and you are working can be very frustrating. This is especially so when people come in from playing golf and whine about minor problems. I often want to say, "Why don't you stay here and unpack, price and put these sweaters out while I go out and play."

I'd ask everyone who came in after playing how their day went and how they played. Most were very happy but there were always those few that felt that they had to complain about everything. Some people are just not happy no matter what. And many of these complainers would complain about the most ridiculous things. But, I'd patiently listened to all of it promising that I'd look into it.

I can play gold on most executive courses. I cannot and will probably never be able to carry the water on Mangrove #4 and Seetgum #8 (depending on tee placement). Most gold tee golfers I play with also cannot. Makes me stay away from these 2 courses

Unreasonable Pin Placements
 

If you generally like the courses, why not just play green tees on those couple of holes.

Take a look at the initiative called "Tee It Forward". There's nothing wrong with "checking your manhood" at the starter shack and enjoying the game again, at all the courses, from the set of tees that is friendly to you. I see way too many guys, and a few women, playing tees too far back. Besides you having more fun, it helps speed the game up.

I'm sure you're right about that. Every job has it's mundane, tedious tasks that must be done...it's like the cubicle worker complaining he's cooped up all day inside...until he sees the outside worker toiling in the summer heat or in a downpour. Then the air conditioned, dry cubicle doesn't look so bad.

Really??
 

Well it's golf isn't it? Various skill levels, various abilities, various attitudes...seems rather obvious statement you've made.

Actually, the USGA recommendation is that there is no change in the degree of slope within three feet of the hole. On some greens it might be impossible to find a perfectly flat spot six feet in diameter.

True, but studies have shown that better golfers will score closer to their average score as the course gets more difficult. Higher handicap golfers will score much worse than their typical score on a course that's much more difficult than what they usually play.

That's what the SLOPE system is all about. If you made a course as easy as possible the higher handicap players would score much better than their average and the better players would only score a little better than average. As the course gets more difficult, the better player would only score a bit higher and the high handicapper would score much worse.

If you took a scratch player and an 18 handicap and had them play a match at Silver Lake, or Hilltop, for example with the 18 getting a stroke a hole, the higher handicap would have a much better chance of winning the match that if they played at say, TPC Sawgrass, where the 18 handicapper might need two strokes per hole.

Moving all of the holes to the middle of the greens would benefit the higher handicap player more than the better player.

Number 7 at Shinnecock is another great example as is 18 at Olympic. I don't think that most people realize how good the tour players are to shoot the scores that they do on the courses they play.

Watch next week at Augusta National. I'm sure that you'll see a few examples of a player getting int he wrong place and have no control over his ball.

Another factor in this discussion has to be the speed of the greens. I've seen courses where the greens had such severe slopes to that the speed of the greens had to be slowed. I haven't played here in The Villages, but I doubt that any of the courses have green speeds of 12 or 13.

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Every time I play, the pins are in the wrong places!:smiley::cryin2:

It's nice to hear an opinion on golf and golf courses from someone who actually has real life experience to draw upon. I am guessing the greens in the Villages are somewhere between 8 to 9. Possibly up to 10 on some courses during the dry summer months, but that is a stretch as the staff probably keeps the grass higher to protect them.

How here I thought it was my poor golf abilities.

That's almost never the case.