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Pugchief 04-14-2025 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424088)
30 years ago the Medical Schools went out of their way to make US Medical Schools HARDER to graduate from. Their graduate alumni doctors wanted harder standards so that graduate Doctors could have MORE patients and make more money. US doctors were in charge of US Medical production and all things medical. Then the US population increased drastically and there were not enough US Doctors to handle the NEED.The large medical groups turned Doctors into mere laborers (with big degrees). Doctors are mere worker bees today. And imported Doctors helped make that possible.

Aside from the constant conspiracy theories that the "rich are out to get you", it is actually DESIRABLE to make medical school "hard". If they make it easy, to accommodate students that they should never have let in in the first place, will you be comfortable letting that surgeon cut you or that dentist drill you?

And what made doctors into laborers is government interference in the the free market via massive regulations.

Normal 04-14-2025 11:46 AM

Absolutely
 
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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424316)
Aside from the constant conspiracy theories that the "rich are out to get you", it is actually DESIRABLE to make medical school "hard". If they make it easy, to accommodate students that they should never have let in in the first place, will you be comfortable letting that surgeon cut you or that dentist drill you?

And what made doctors into laborers is government interference in the the free market via massive regulations.

100% correct

Pugchief 04-14-2025 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424091)
The Debt could EASILY be repaid merely by changing the tax brackets to make the top brackets pay more (their fair share). But, it may be too late. We may have lost our Democracy already.

Would you please define what is "fair"? That term gets thrown around a lot but is very vague. The top 1% of income earners already pay 50% of the tax. Would you be happy when the top 1% pay 75%? 90%? Or is your only solution communism where there is zero incentive to be productive or innovative bc there is no reward for hard work?

Normal 04-14-2025 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424314)
If getting more taxes from the working lower classes was the object - what I would do is ONLY ALLOW a maximum of 2 children to be exemptions. Huge families were the right thing in 1930 because infant morality was HIGH then, but not TODAY. With modern medical advances children can live longer, especially the ones that get ALL the immunization shots.

The average per couple is 2.5. Many couples don’t even opt for kids anymore.

Pugchief 04-14-2025 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2424240)
Interesting Thread. What are you going to do with the millions of Americans on “public aid” of various types?

Unionize them!! Isn't that the answer to all economic problems? My friend explained that to me recently.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-14-2025 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2424265)
Sounds simple. Where do we get the materials? The expertise? The equipment? The food?
We import it.

That's why I posted it. You understood the logic lesson.

Many of the things we enjoy, many of the things we want in life, can't be made here, without parts from there. Such is the way of planets - some raw materials just aren't available everywhere. Like bananas. You want American-made bananas for everyone in the country? Figure out a way to grow enough of them to provide everyone here with them FIRST. THEN tariff the heck out of imported bananas.

Normal 04-14-2025 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424318)
Would you please define what is "fair"? That term gets thrown around a lot but is very vague. The top 1% of income earners already pay 50% of the tax. Would you be happy when the top 1% pay 75%? 90%? Or is your only solution communism where there is zero incentive to be productive or innovative bc there is no reward for hard work?

We will get more tax with the endowment tax congress is working on. Currently colleges only pay 1.4%. They are elevating that tax to 22%. 99% of Americans pay almost no tax and several even get refunds. This group needs to be taxed progressively like the rich are.

Eg_cruz 04-14-2025 03:18 PM

Agree

jimjamuser 04-14-2025 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424316)
Aside from the constant conspiracy theories that the "rich are out to get you", it is actually DESIRABLE to make medical school "hard". If they make it easy, to accommodate students that they should never have let in in the first place, will you be comfortable letting that surgeon cut you or that dentist drill you?

And what made doctors into laborers is government interference in the the free market via massive regulations.

There is nothing wrong with making medical schools rigorous. What I meant to say was that new medical schools were NOT opened up to accommodate MORE new 1st year Medical students. More well trained Medical students were needed, but Medical graduates wanted the number to NOT go up so they could have MORE patients and make MORE money. But, in doing so they shot themselves in the foot because now large business conglomerations control the Doctors.

jimjamuser 04-14-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424316)
Aside from the constant conspiracy theories that the "rich are out to get you", it is actually DESIRABLE to make medical school "hard". If they make it easy, to accommodate students that they should never have let in in the first place, will you be comfortable letting that surgeon cut you or that dentist drill you?

And what made doctors into laborers is government interference in the the free market via massive regulations.

Not massive government regulations, but massive takeover of the Medical industry by GIANT corporations. A case of capitalism gone amuck.

jimjamuser 04-14-2025 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424318)
Would you please define what is "fair"? That term gets thrown around a lot but is very vague. The top 1% of income earners already pay 50% of the tax. Would you be happy when the top 1% pay 75%? 90%? Or is your only solution communism where there is zero incentive to be productive or innovative bc there is no reward for hard work?

Communism is NOT my solution.

jimjamuser 04-14-2025 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424322)
Unionize them!! Isn't that the answer to all economic problems? My friend explained that to me recently.

VOCATIONAL high schools would be ONE step forward.

Decadeofdave 04-14-2025 04:01 PM

The latest idea for the young generation is Micro-retirement.
It's the greatest idea to prevent yourself from getting ahead but great for a work life balance, non-go-getter.

fdpaq0580 04-14-2025 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424316)
Aside from the constant conspiracy theories that the "rich are out to get you", it is actually DESIRABLE to make medical school "hard". If they make it easy, to accommodate students that they should never have let in in the first place, will you be comfortable letting that surgeon cut you or that dentist drill you?

And what made doctors into laborers is government interference in the the free market via massive regulations.

Wrong, imho. Free market? The US can't compete globally in a free market. Let the buyer beware. Zero regulations. Open doors policy for goods and services
What about a fair market. Or, is Monopoly the name of the game?

Pugchief 04-14-2025 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424374)
Communism is NOT my solution.

You still didn't specify what you think is a "fair share". I'll wait.....

Pugchief 04-14-2025 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424371)
There is nothing wrong with making medical schools rigorous. What I meant to say was that new medical schools were NOT opened up to accommodate MORE new 1st year Medical students. More well trained Medical students were needed, but Medical graduates wanted the number to NOT go up so they could have MORE patients and make MORE money. But, in doing so they shot themselves in the foot because now large business conglomerations control the Doctors.

You can open 1000 new medical schools, but that doesn't mean you will have enough qualified students. More doctors might be needed, but only if they are qualified.

The next problem would be to get them to the areas that have a shortage. Should that be done by force?

Pugchief 04-14-2025 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424372)
Not massive government regulations, but massive takeover of the Medical industry by GIANT corporations. A case of capitalism gone amuck.

Sorry, but this is not accurate. Over-regulation is what caused the problem. Including, but not limited to the ACA, which has proved to be anything but affordable.

fdpaq0580 04-14-2025 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424374)
Communism is NOT my solution.

( note; communism in the animal word is like an ant colony. Each taking only what it needs and selflessly working for the good of the colony)
So-called communist governmets are actually fascist/dictatorships. Like China, North Korea, Russia. The old Soviet "Socialist" Repulic, wasn't real Sociaism. It wasn't about the society (the people). It was about the Government Entity. The "Corporation", in a sense. The strive for the Monopoly, to be the puppet master.

fdpaq0580 04-14-2025 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2424362)
We will get more tax with the endowment tax congress is working on. Currently colleges only pay 1.4%. They are elevating that tax to 22%. 99% of Americans pay almost no tax and several even get refunds. This group needs to be taxed progressively like the rich are.

Please don't forget the church's. Lots of easy money to be found there. Ask Joel O.

JMintzer 04-14-2025 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424372)
Not massive government regulations, but massive takeover of the Medical industry by GIANT corporations. A case of capitalism gone amuck.

Medicare (the Government) is one of, if not THE largest, "massive takeovers" of the Medical industry...

jimhoward 04-14-2025 09:42 PM

Getting back to the main topic.......

I don't think we necessarily do want low more paying jobs manufacturing commodity products. We just want to reduce the trade deficit. That means we want to export as much or more stuff than we import. It really hard to reduce the trade deficit selling tee shirts.

I think reducing imports by making more things for internal consumption that you aren't all that good at making is another hard way to reduce the trade deficit. I think the best way to reduce the trade deficit is to make and sell more things we are good at, ideally high ticket items. That means we should sell more Aircraft, Machinery, Drugs, Medical equipment, Construction equipment. Power Plants, Semiconductor processing equipment, software. I don't know the whole list of markets we can compete well in right now, but its long. Protectionist policies aren't the answer. They just trigger reciprocal tariffs that prevent us from selling what we are good at.

Dr.Butler 04-14-2025 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2423561)
We need manufacturing for a trade balance. That does not mean we need to manufacture socks. We only need to make stuff that other countries would want to buy. Services can be part of the balance, but we need manufacturing for national security interests.

That does not make sense. We buy more from other countries because we can afford it. They buy less because they cannot. What would we make that a poor country would want to buy that would be even worth making? Technically, the only thing they would really want is food from our farms that they couldn't grow themselves or that they needed more of to meet the demands that country has.

fdpaq0580 04-14-2025 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2424429)
Medicare (the Government) is one of, if not THE largest, "massive takeovers" of the Medical industry...

(Psst. Medicare isn't takeover of the medical industry. It is insurance regulated so we, the American people, have access to health care. It is a good thing, actually. Thought you'd like to know. )

jimjamuser 04-15-2025 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2424387)
Sorry, but this is not accurate. Over-regulation is what caused the problem. Including, but not limited to the ACA, which has proved to be anything but affordable.

Quote "over-regulation caused the problem". First we need to agree on WHAT problem we are talking about? I was talking about the problem of Doctors losing their status of being in charge of medicine in the US (which is probably NOT happening in other countries). I don't believe that over- regulation or even under-regulation played ANY PART. Doctors got their profession taken over by large corporations of PRIVATE INSURERS like Medicare Advantage. Some Doctors did stay independent, but many joined conglomerates. Many people in their 60s that are NOT Medicare eligible have used ACA successfully.

jimjamuser 04-15-2025 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimhoward (Post 2424443)
Getting back to the main topic.......

I don't think we necessarily do want low more paying jobs manufacturing commodity products. We just want to reduce the trade deficit. That means we want to export as much or more stuff than we import. It really hard to reduce the trade deficit selling tee shirts.

I think reducing imports by making more things for internal consumption that you aren't all that good at making is another hard way to reduce the trade deficit. I think the best way to reduce the trade deficit is to make and sell more things we are good at, ideally high ticket items. That means we should sell more Aircraft, Machinery, Drugs, Medical equipment, Construction equipment. Power Plants, Semiconductor processing equipment, software. I don't know the whole list of markets we can compete well in right now, but its long. Protectionist policies aren't the answer. They just trigger reciprocal tariffs that prevent us from selling what we are good at.

I agree with this post. Especially the last summary sentence.

JMintzer 04-15-2025 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2424451)
(Psst. Medicare isn't takeover of the medical industry. It is insurance regulated so we, the American people, have access to health care. It is a good thing, actually. Thought you'd like to know. )

(Psst. You're completely wrong. I've been a provider accepting Medicare for almost 40 years. I've watched it change drastically during that time. And not for the better. Thought you'd like to know.)

JMintzer 04-15-2025 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424596)
Quote "over-regulation caused the problem". First we need to agree on WHAT problem we are talking about? I was talking about the problem of Doctors losing their status of being in charge of medicine in the US (which is probably NOT happening in other countries). I don't believe that over- regulation or even under-regulation played ANY PART. Doctors got their profession taken over by large corporations of PRIVATE INSURERS like Medicare Advantage. Some Doctors did stay independent, but many joined conglomerates. Many people in their 60s that are NOT Medicare eligible have used ACA successfully.

And many got screwed by the ACA, watching their premiums and deductibles triple and quadruple (especially if you were self employed...)

fdpaq0580 04-15-2025 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2424669)
(Psst. You're completely wrong. I've been a provider accepting Medicare for almost 40 years. I've watched it change drastically during that time. And not for the better. Thought you'd like to know.)

I do! Thanks!

Kelevision 04-16-2025 04:15 AM

It’s okay….When you fire 10’s of thousands of American workers, you can save money to throw a big military/birthday parade that’ll cost around 90 million. Good times!!

asianthree 04-16-2025 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2424719)
It’s okay….When you fire 10’s of thousands of American workers, you can save money to throw a big military/birthday parade that’ll cost around 90 million. Good times!!

It’s heartbreaking to walk into a VA facility and notice those familiar healthcare professionals are no longer employed. Appointments changed cancelled. Some consider veterans unworthy of medical care.
Our daughter basically lost her entire team, yet even with her own medical problems, she still believes everyone deserves respect, and treatment either physically or emotionally.
She truly believes the strong will over power those who try to destroy wellbeing of others. I don’t think she will win but it’s good to have goals.

rustyp 04-16-2025 08:53 AM

China, long regarded as the factory of the world, is now pioneering a bold new frontier: dark factories—fully autonomous manufacturing plants that operate without human workers, without lights, and without interruption. No parking lots, no food service facilities, no human resources, etc. These futuristic facilities are not science fiction; they are already in operation.

If you are of the thought new manufacturing plants will bring back the days of high paying manual labor jobs you better have a plan b.


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