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Byte1 03-16-2022 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Proveone (Post 2073132)
Buy an electric car/cart!
But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?

Byte1 03-16-2022 08:32 AM
Even hydrogen powered vehicles is more practical and feasible than battery powered.
If you wish to go electric, then encourage the gov to install electric rails in the streets to realistically power or charge electric vehicles.

Speedie 03-16-2022 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2073149)
Electric sure is becoming more attractive as fuel prices soar. 🚗🚙🚲 ⛽⛽⛽
Careful
Electricity rates will zoom too. Charging that battery can get very expensive.
Last week cost to charge a tesla was about $10 for 200 miles

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-16-2022 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2073071)
…….or simply use our own, American, available but, now, underutilized energy sources until those other energy solutions become a reality
Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.

You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.

kkingston57 03-16-2022 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2073159)
But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?
Not a good argument. Not many snow storms in TV.

Research how long a battery lasts. I had the same idea and found out that the batteries can last longer than most people believe. What happens if your car is low on gas? Same problem. Agree about getting EV re started.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-16-2022 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2073159)
But don't get stuck in a snow storm for any period of time because "electric" won't keep you warm very long in a car in cold weather. That battery pack will be depleted very, very quickly. AND, it's very difficult to hike for a gallon of electric to get your vehicle to the next charging station. Maybe they will come up with an extension cord that will stretch a few miles to your broke down vehicle? Does triple A provide a road side assistance electric charge for stranded battery powered vehicles?
That's why I'm in favor of hybrids that switch between battery and gasoline while driving. Sure you're still using fossil fuels. But not as much. And by your vehicle switching back and forth, the battery lasts longer between charges than if you relied exclusively on electric with no gas.

Byte1 03-16-2022 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2073167)
Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.

You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.
Yes, because all that is soooo much easier than just using what we have now, plenty of fossil fuel. It's much better to keep it in the ground where it is safe. Poor working folks should just grin and bear it when it comes to the extreme expense of alternate power.

Chi-Town 03-16-2022 08:45 AM
Remember when gas prices were a little over $4.00/gal in 2008
and just a little over $2.00/gal in 2020?

Waltdisney4life 03-16-2022 08:47 AM
Thanks Brandon!

toeser 03-16-2022 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2073054)
Sorry not the way it works and not greed. The stations bought the gas when it was high and have to sell it for the higher cost until they have depleted that inventory. Gas goes up and down with the cost of oil but it is slower to respond to drops. The oil suppliers control the price by controlling supply not the gas stations.
Except stations also bought the gas when it was low, but still immediately raise their prices when the environment allows. It's a one-way street.

haysus7 03-16-2022 09:02 AM
The oil companies still making huge profits. Presidents don’t cause the prices to go rise or lower

cherylncliff 03-16-2022 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2072785)
And going up higher. Erggggg, I have to drive the gas hungry pickup truck on the 1,360 mile trek back north in a couple weeks, that’s gonna hurt. Besides filling up the golf cart, I haven’t seen a gas pump since I tanked up the truck in Altoona, FL on January 3rd.
Actually, it is starting to come back down.

Keefelane66 03-16-2022 09:10 AM
I have a totally electric vehicle expecting delivery of second one in April. May be investing in a Winnebago when a reasonably priced one is available so I can enjoy everyone’s pain at the fuel pump (only kidding).

Cyndee@twc.com 03-16-2022 09:22 AM
I think to make electricity you need fuel to run a or keep the sun shining to charge
 
Batteries, we saw how good windmills worked in Texas when they froze in a winter storm they had to heat them up with electric from a generator using fuel


It's not optimal for sure. I'd love to see gas prices lowered. Heck I'd do a big happy dance and buy everyone a round at the bar if prices got down under $2/gallon.

But as long as people rely on oil, the oil refineries will have us by the cajones. There's absolutely zilch anyone can do about it OTHER than start encouraging and using alternative energy sources.[/QUOTE]

airstreamingypsy 03-16-2022 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 2073021)
Remembering it all just two years ago .
When the country was in lockdown and there was no demand? A great example of the law of supply and demand.

JayBee 03-16-2022 09:24 AM
You may need to check your math. 1325 miles for 105.00 bucks? Did you forget to count the gas you already had in the tank before you left? You getting 45 MPG?

airstreamingypsy 03-16-2022 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 2073179)
Thanks Brandon!
LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.

PugMom 03-16-2022 09:53 AM
[QUOTE=B-flat;2073076]No too hot here in the summer! Last trip we made from north to south cost (1325 Miles) us about $105. Come this May I'm guesstimating it could run as high based on $7 per gallon, time will tell. The good news is here based on how little we use our van it's about $15 per week.[/QUO

the heat will only bother you the 1st year or so, then it becomes the norm. @ that point 60* will feel like 32*.

MrFlorida 03-16-2022 09:54 AM
It's funny how the price goes up instantly , and they are still pumping last weeks gas from their tanks....

Malsua 03-16-2022 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2073202)
LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.
Cancelling gas/oil leases, banning fracking and stopping oil pipelines absolutely has an effect on the SUPPLY of oil. Less supply, higher prices. Because oil is fungible, changes in supply here, affect the price of oil, EVERYWHERE.

Byte1 03-16-2022 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2073169)
That's why I'm in favor of hybrids that switch between battery and gasoline while driving. Sure you're still using fossil fuels. But not as much. And by your vehicle switching back and forth, the battery lasts longer between charges than if you relied exclusively on electric with no gas.
Not to be argumentative, BUT today we already have more fuel efficient vehicles than we did 30-40 years ago. It's interesting how someone can rationalize.....but, but, but hybrids only use fossil part of the time.
I have decided to get a battery operated vehicle and install a gas generator in it so that I can go further. Of course, I am only going to use a "little" fossil fuel, therefore I am doing my thing in support of the tree huggers.....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Rich42 03-16-2022 10:05 AM
Like Kamala said the other day, we got what we voted for!

forebubba 03-16-2022 10:07 AM
Wind mills froze up only because Texas did not use the right equipment for them. Why do they only freeze up in Texas and not in the north? Texas still has not fixed their electrical grid. With all the oil they have why is Texas a leader in investing in solar?

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mike1946 (Post 2073097)
USA Prices still half of those in the UK - spare a thought for us !!
Most of that is due to taxes over there...

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Priebehouse (Post 2073107)
Exxon made 84% profit last year. The others made no less than 38%. All from exporting cheaper U.S. oil and selling more expensive imported oil to us. Too bad we can't all go to a "Mom & Pop" American refinery to get gas.
Why didn't they just sell the "cheaper US oil" here and make even more money?

Oh, right... It doesn't work that way at all...

kkingston57 03-16-2022 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2073167)
Induction stoves are the next greatest thing since sliced bread. They are reportedly more accurate and superior to gas stoves, emit no dangerous fumes into the air when not in use (gas stoves emit methane even when turned off), use less electricity than standard electric stoves. They can be pricey, and you might need to buy new cookware since your all-aluminum pans won't work on them. There's also a learning curve to using them but mostly that's because you have to "unlearn" your old habits, and old habits are hard to break. You no longer have to wait for the pan to heat up to the correct temperature. It's already there within seconds of placing it on the stove. It also takes only a minute to cool off completely, compared to the sometimes 20 minutes for a conventional electric stovetop. And so it's much safer.



You can also buy a single-burner induction stove for around $100. It's portable, sits on your counter when you use it, and slides into a cupboard when you're not using it.

That's an alternative to natural gas, not petroleum.

For vehicles that use gasoline, if the price of gas bothers you, then sell off the Hummer or the pickup truck or the Buick Park Avenue or whatever big wasteful boat you have that only gets 18mpg. Get a more efficient vehicle - you can find plenty of quality, comfortable cars that get better mileage. You don't need a V8 in the Villages. And if you want to travel in ultra luxury, you can always rent one for your trip.
Agree 100%. We have an induction cook top and pot of water is boiling in 90 seconds and no residual heat.

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 2073119)
As far as gas prices go, elections have no effect. What your saying is one elected person has control of the worlds gas prices. At least we still have a democracy....for now
Someone once said, "Elections have consequences..."

forebubba 03-16-2022 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2073220)
Cancelling gas/oil leases, banning fracking and stopping oil pipelines absolutely has an effect on the SUPPLY of oil. Less supply, higher prices. Because oil is fungible, changes in supply here, affect the price of oil, EVERYWHERE.
There are more than 9000 open permits in the USA approved to drill oil but oil companies are not using them, why ?

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ashley from UK (Post 2073154)
What are you all winging about?

$4/$5 a gallon that's sooooo CHEAP.

Over the pond, the price is already c$8.68 per US gallon - with the news projecting this to top $12.77 in the next few weeks. Such is the price of freedom from a deluded tyrant hell-bent on starting the apocalypse
That's because you were dependent on Russian oil...

The previous differences were due to your significantly higher taxes...

Byte1 03-16-2022 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 2073176)
Remember when gas prices were a little over $4.00/gal in 2008
and just a little over $2.00/gal in 2020?
I remember when gas prices were about $4 gal in 2011 and 2012 and then dropped down to less than $2.50gal from 2016-2020

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by haysus7 (Post 2073186)
The oil companies still making huge profits. Presidents don’t cause the prices to go rise or lower
Their actions do...

The market reacts to uncertainty (just like the stock market).

Create uncertainty in the market and watch prices rise...

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2073199)
When the country was in lockdown and there was no demand? A great example of the law of supply and demand.
Truckers were still delivering goods. Millions were still working so that you could stay at home...

Personally, I didn't miss a day at work, except when I contracted Covid (from a patient)...

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2073202)
LOL, that's so funny that you think the the POTUS sets gas prices..... me, I would be embarrassed to write something so wrong. In Europe gas is over 6.50 a gallon, I wonder if they are blaming "Brandon" too.
No one has said the POTUS "sets" gas prices. But their actions most certainly affect them...

And as I've already stated, Europe has MUCH higher gas taxes (and taxes in general) than does the US...

Keefelane66 03-16-2022 10:23 AM
How many drilling permits did Biden issue?
WASHINGTON— New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration's first-year total of 2,658.
It’s surprising how many Villagers are a wealth of MISINFORMATION. Even if all 3557 wells were delivering oil it will be priced at the speculative market rate of $100+ a barrel, some people just don’t get it.

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 2073233)
Wind mills froze up only because Texas did not use the right equipment for them. Why do they only freeze up in Texas and not in the north? Texas still has not fixed their electrical grid. With all the oil they have why is Texas a leader in investing in solar?
Yes, because "fixing their electrical grid" can be done overnight...

As to why they are investing in solar, just follow the money...

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2073240)
Agree 100%. We have an induction cook top and pot of water is boiling in 90 seconds and no residual heat.
I'm sure they're great and we will consider on when the time comes to re-do the kitchen, but OBB's suggestion of "just buy one" smacks of the elitism we hear when we're told, "Can't afford gas prices, just buy nan electric car!"

As if those who can't afford gasoline can afford a new car... Or a VERY expensive cooktop...

jimbomaybe 03-16-2022 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2073229)
Not to be argumentative, BUT today we already have more fuel efficient vehicles than we did 30-40 years ago. It's interesting how someone can rationalize.....but, but, but hybrids only use fossil part of the time.
I have decided to get a battery operated vehicle and install a gas generator in it so that I can go further. Of course, I am only going to use a "little" fossil fuel, therefore I am doing my thing in support of the tree huggers.....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Hug a tree or hug your wallet, we have more efficient vehicles because people want them,, they make sense from more than one perspective, I would like to replace my old but so far reliable Honda with a hybrid of some sort posible an electric, many factors to consider, everyone weighs things differently

JMintzer 03-16-2022 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 2073243)
There are more than 9000 open permits in the USA approved to drill oil but oil companies are not using them, why ?
9000 "LEASES", not permits... BIG difference... But a good obfuscation...

They still have to apply for the permits, they still have to be allowed to build roads, and pipelines to move the oil that will be pumped...

THAT is where the holdup is. The current admin won't allow new pipelines, nor approve new permits to drill...

Birdrm 03-16-2022 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2072768)
Sorry for the cuss word.
I feel ya, just moved down less than 2 months ago and have to use my car for everything because it takes 4-6 months to get a golf cart now!

Cliff Fr 03-16-2022 12:06 PM
To me it makes no sense to spend at least $40k to buy an electric car even if I could afford to which I can't. We have a 2007 Chevy HHR and a 2008 Saturn Aura which had a combined cost of less than $10k, purchased used. They both have the same 4 cylinder engine and both get 34 to 35 mpg. on the highway. Buying a used hybrid or electric car would be a gamble because of the cost of replacing the battery pack which could fail. The gas powered cars will last much longer if maintained. At this stage in our lives we do not want to finance a vehicle purchase so a new hybrid or electric, or gas car purchase, is out of the question


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