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threeonemiles@outlook.com 09-29-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Moesly (Post 2260917)
Couldn't agree more with this statement.

Mouse No. 1: “Are You Going to Get Vaccinated”
Mouse No. 2: “Are You Crazy, They Haven’t Finished the Tests on Humans”

Bill14564 09-29-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2261252)
Yes, but the delivery system of the flu shot HAS been tested for WAAAY more than 12-15 years... It's just the attenuated virus that changes...

So, no... No where near on point...

Well, that isn’t what the poster wrote at all.

I’m tired of the whack-a-mole for today.

JMintzer 09-29-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261271)
Well, that isn’t what the poster wrote at all.

I’m tired of the whack-a-mole for today.

The poster was comparing the lack of testing of the Covid vax with the "lack of testing" in the flu shots, since they change the flu shot every year...

So yes, it WAS EXACTLY what the poster wrote...

Stu from NYC 09-29-2023 03:46 PM

Seems like many posters think the covid shot should have been tested for many years to make sure it is safe.

Of course the hundreds of thousand of people that would have died waiting for the testing to be completed might not agree.

Bill14564 09-29-2023 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2261318)
The poster was comparing the lack of testing of the Covid vax with the "lack of testing" in the flu shots, since they change the flu shot every year...

So yes, it WAS EXACTLY what the poster wrote...

The poster who would not take the Covid shot did not mention that his problem was with the delivery system. That poster made a simple statement that he would not take any shot until it had been tested for 12 - 15 years. The flu shot that I will get next month has not been tested for 12 - 15 years. Pick some bits if you must but that is what he wrote and that is the fact of the flu shot each and every year.

Do you suppose he would be happy to accept the J&J version that uses a delivery system that has been around for quite an awhile? You may remember pointing out that THAT vaccine had a risk of GBS four times higher. (though still minuscule)

Pugchief 09-29-2023 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261246)
Pretty sure the current flu formulation hasn’t been tested for 12 - 15 years as the previous poster required. Seems right on point

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2261252)
Yes, but the delivery system of the flu shot HAS been tested for WAAAY more than 12-15 years... It's just the attenuated virus that changes...

So, no... No where near on point...

Yep.

If you're referring to my previous post, that's exactly what I meant.

JMintzer 09-29-2023 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261321)
The poster who would not take the Covid shot did not mention that his problem was with the delivery system. That poster made a simple statement that he would not take any shot until it had been tested for 12 - 15 years. The flu shot that I will get next month has not been tested for 12 - 15 years. Pick some bits if you must but that is what he wrote and that is the fact of the flu shot each and every year.

Complete nonsense... Changing the attenuated virus (to match what strain is anticipated) is not "starting over", requiring new testing for safety and efficacy...

And what else could he be talking about with the covid virus? The MRNA component IS the delivery system. And THAT was not adequately tested (IMO)...

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Do you suppose he would be happy to accept the J&J version that uses a delivery system that has been around for quite an awhile? You may remember pointing out that THAT vaccine had a risk of GBS four times higher. (though still minuscule)
Nice red herring. But you actually proved his point since the J&J vax was removed from the market... Maybe if they had done some more testing...

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JMintzer 09-29-2023 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2261320)
Seems like many posters think the covid shot should have been tested for many years to make sure it is safe.

Of course the hundreds of thousand of people that would have died waiting for the testing to be completed might not agree.

Or, maybe they wouldn't have died... Apparently, your crystal ball works better than mine...

Bill14564 09-29-2023 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2261336)
Or, maybe they wouldn't have died... Apparently, your crystal ball works better than mine...

No crystal ball just simple observation and data analysis

JMintzer 09-29-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261342)
No crystal ball just simple observation and data analysis

Yeah, no...

I could have been the ventilators that were killing people...

Why some doctors are moving away from ventilators for virus patients

billethkid 09-29-2023 04:58 PM

I still don't get why the survivor impact of the vaccines is glossed over (OK, ignored).
How many more deaths would there have been if......etc.
Billions of doses administered with no statement of impact.

Why is that?

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OrangeBlossomBaby 09-29-2023 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261321)
The poster who would not take the Covid shot did not mention that his problem was with the delivery system. That poster made a simple statement that he would not take any shot until it had been tested for 12 - 15 years. The flu shot that I will get next month has not been tested for 12 - 15 years. Pick some bits if you must but that is what he wrote and that is the fact of the flu shot each and every year.

Do you suppose he would be happy to accept the J&J version that uses a delivery system that has been around for quite an awhile? You may remember pointing out that THAT vaccine had a risk of GBS four times higher. (though still minuscule)

Block or report. Don't feed the [entities that live under bridges, which result in moderation if you use the word].

Bill14564 09-29-2023 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2261356)
Block or report. Don't feed the [entities that live under bridges, which result in moderation if you use the word].

Yeah. The disbelievers are so wedded to their opinion that they will never see the facts- it would mean accepting they were wrong and the science was right.

I mostly continue to post because 1. bad and misleading data analysis presented as gospel really irritates me; and 2. maybe something I write will be useful to someone out there.

GoRedSox! 09-29-2023 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2261320)
Seems like many posters think the covid shot should have been tested for many years to make sure it is safe.

Of course the hundreds of thousand of people that would have died waiting for the testing to be completed might not agree.

The voice of reason.

JMintzer 09-29-2023 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2261358)
Yeah. The disbelievers are so wedded to their opinion that they will never see the facts- it would mean accepting they were wrong and the science was right.

Recognizing you have a problem is the first step...

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I mostly continue to post because 1. bad and misleading data analysis presented as gospel really irritates me; and 2. maybe something I write will be useful to someone out there.
Still whacking moles?


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