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jimjamuser 09-21-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2259247)
How do you know those cases wouldn't have been mild anyway, even without the jab?
You don't. You just assume that's the case.

At least THAT assumption has some science behind it.

Just jimmy 09-21-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2258799)
Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

Why don’t you get them from your doctor??

Bogie Shooter 09-21-2023 05:37 PM

And the beat goes in……….

JMintzer 09-21-2023 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2259244)
At least Dr. Fauci never recommended putting ultraviolet light inside a person's body.

Which is an actual therapy...

UVA Light Reduced Virus Loads in COVID-19 Patients

jimjamuser 09-21-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2259248)
That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

When each person gets the vaccine they are doing the rest of society a favor because that is one less person available to SPREAD the disease.

JMintzer 09-21-2023 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2259269)
When each person gets the vaccine they are doing the rest of society a favor because that is one less person available to SPREAD the disease.

False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

billethkid 09-21-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2259106)
is this a national emergency??? just asking for a friend


NO!

UpNorth 09-21-2023 05:55 PM

Follow the money. Now that Pfizer and Moderna have made billions off of government purchases, the FDA now does not object to the use of Ivermectin as an off-label prescription for treatment of Covid.

kcrazorbackfan 09-21-2023 05:55 PM

I got the flu, rsv and Covid shots at Walgreens this week.

Altavia 09-21-2023 06:11 PM

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Altavia 09-21-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2259248)
That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

No one said it "prevents" transmission.

Reducing transmission, having fewer sick people with less severe disease obviously reduced risk for everyone.

Once vaccination rates approached 50%, viral loads in the vaccinated who tested positive were up to 50% lower and for a shorter period of time than the vaccinated.

Also at that time, for every ten hospitalized for COVID, nine were unvaccinated.

Rechecking my recollection:

COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

"Findings

In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.

Meaning

The study results suggest that COVID-19 vaccines are strongly associated with prevention of serious COVID-19 illness."

...
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study...


"Vaccination was found to be effective in reducing household transmission of the alpha variant (B.1.1.7) by 40–50%,1 and infected, vaccinated individuals had lower viral load in the upper respiratory tract (URT) than infections in unvaccinated individuals,"

Bill14564 09-21-2023 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259270)
False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

But it does reduce the transmission. Not much in this world is 100% effective; implying the vaccine is worthless because it is not 100% effective is disingenuous at best.

Bill14564 09-21-2023 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2259248)
That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

Less than 100% but MUCH greater than zero.

Altavia 09-21-2023 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259270)
False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

How about reduces transmission.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.

Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.



Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths.

Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections.

Keefelane66 09-21-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 2259273)
Follow the money. Now that Pfizer and Moderna have made billions off of government purchases, the FDA now does not object to the use of Ivermectin as an off-label prescription for treatment of Covid.

“ Fact Check-Ivermectin still not FDA-approved to treat COVID”


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