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JMintzer 02-22-2022 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2064765)
Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!

As opposed to those who have been vaccinated and can just as easily transmit the virus?

Northwoods 02-22-2022 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2064490)
I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

Ditto.
I've had COVID twice. First time was before the vaccine. I was tired and had a headache - no respiratory issues.
The second time was after I had both doses of the vaccine (no booster). Symptoms were much worse, but I was not hospitalized (again no respiratory issues).
I know at least 10 people who have recently had COVID. All of them have had both shots plus the booster. Some have had the same symptoms I had... some had worse.
I am not going to get a booster shot.
Why?
1. Because it's not going to prevent me from getting COVID.
2. If I get COVID, it doesn't mean my symptoms will be less severe.
Everyone has to do what they feel is right for them. I respect everyone's decision. But for me... I'm not getting the booster.

Northwoods 02-22-2022 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2064765)
Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!

Based on my experience, 100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have been double vaccinated, and 90% had the booster. In fact, the people I know (just a few) who haven't gotten the vaccine still have not gotten COVID.

Northwoods 02-22-2022 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2064735)
Those that never got the 1st shot ARE a big problem. Also, digging in ones' heels and stubbornly disregarding additional expert medical advice is also a problem. I will get as many shots as often as needed and recommended by the majority of the expert medical advice. And for as long as I think that I am NOT as smart as hundreds of Medical Doctors.

100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have had both vaccines and the booster.
You may want to blame people that haven't gotten the vaccine. But based on what I have seen the virus is infecting people who have gotten the vaccine... and booster.
I know of 2 people who were double vaccinated and had the booster and died from COVID.

OhioBuckeye 02-23-2022 07:25 AM

Thanks for your input & your opinion. At least you expressed how you feel. Thank you!

MDLNB 02-23-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2064765)
Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!


Not a very good point. My wife is vaccinated and caught covid from a neighbor that was fully vaccinated and thought that she was protected. And she gave it to me and I am vaccinated. Yes, someone not vaccinated can be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic" but so can someone that is vaccinated. It's better just to say that those vaccinated are somewhat protected from the virus, not fully protected.

billethkid 02-23-2022 08:57 AM

Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

gpk111 02-23-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2064490)
I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Please share any information you have found that describes side effects of getting vaccinated "over and over and over." I would be very interested, as I am considering getting my fourth shot.

Lots of data on side effects and breakthroughs or persistent symptoms, but nothing on adverse effects of a fourth shot when you have had no symptoms from the first three.

Thanks

coffeebean 02-23-2022 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 2064796)
Based on my experience, 100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have been double vaccinated, and 90% had the booster. In fact, the people I know (just a few) who haven't gotten the vaccine still have not gotten COVID.

Unless an individual gets tested regularly and by regularly I mean at least once per week, NO ONE knows if they have had Covid or not. Asymptomatic infection is just that........asymptomatic. That means NO SYMPTOMS.

As an aside......I've been tested only twice for cruising and was negative both times. That may not mean I have not ever had Covid. I just may have but was asymptomatic, just like anyone else who claims they have never had Covid.

coffeebean 02-23-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 2064805)
100% of the people I know who have recently gotten COVID have had both vaccines and the booster.
You may want to blame people that haven't gotten the vaccine. But based on what I have seen the virus is infecting people who have gotten the vaccine... and booster.
I know of 2 people who were double vaccinated and had the booster and died from COVID.

Just wondering.......were those two people who died from Covid immunocompromised? Folks who are immunocompromised do not get the full benefit, if any at all, of the vaccine protection.

coffeebean 02-23-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2064904)
Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

Yes. That is my understanding.

JMintzer 02-23-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2064904)
Isn't the point of having the vaccination to reduce/eliminate hospitalization and death potential?

Not that the vaccine prevents being infected.

That's the point NOW...

Initially, we were told that it would prevent infection... Yet here we are...

Northwoods 02-23-2022 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2065021)
Just wondering.......were those two people who died from Covid immunocompromised? Folks who are immunocompromised do not get the full benefit, if any at all, of the vaccine protection.

One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).

MDLNB 02-24-2022 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 2065137)
One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).


So, they had their vaccinations before they left on their cruise and caught covid and died anyway, right? Not trying to imply anything, just wondering if we are still wanting to blame death by covid on the unvaccinated, or finally admitting that the vaccination is not quite the miracle elixir that everyone wishes it to be. I am not down playing the worth of the vaccination, and have mine but some folks seem to believe that it is ONLY the unvaccinated that are dying from covid. We were on line every morning to get our vaccinations, driving hours to our appointment, and still caught covid. Yes, it was a mild version, but the point is that you can't depend on just a vaccination to protect you. You must be prudent in your daily activities until this thing dies out, IF it does.

Dorebea 02-24-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2064733)
We have had exactly ZERO shots and avoided it as well...what makes you think anything you have had (so far) is the reason you have not been infected?????

IMO: I have not been hit by a car crossing the street but I still look both ways every time (as insurance!). Clearly the vax does not prevent covid but it does lessen the severity if it is contracted. And…there are documentated cases (in fact just saw one on the local news last night) about people with even mild covid symptoms suffering from longer term after effects (including balance issues, blood clots, lack of energy etc). Look at The Villages Newcomers (Jerry & Linda). They say they are not yet back to 100% more than 3 weeks after contracting covid with mild symptoms.

The rate of infection, especially severe infection went down consistently across the world as vaccinations increased. That correlation is good enough for me. Will I get / need a forth shot? Haven’t decided yet. I do get annual flu shots so maybe I’ll do an annual booster if that is recommended. Neither me nor anyone I know who was vaccinated has had severe reactions to the vaccine. On the other hand, you don’t get a ‘do-over’ if you forego the vaccine and become severely ill or worse yet, die. Not worth the risk to me.

MDLNB 02-24-2022 09:56 AM

We were both vaccinated, and we caught the dreaded covid. Even though she tested positive twice, she still insisted that she had nothing more than a mild cold. She still adamantly insists that it couldn't have been covid, since it was milder than colds she has had. On the other hand, I do not get the flu and hardly ever catch a cold. Probably ten years since I had a cold. Covid gave me a congested head and a sore throat and some coughing. No fever. My taste was distorted, which made tomato sauce based food taste terrible and sweet foods taste extra sweet. No effect on my sense of smell.
Supposedly, we now have an abundance of antibodies plus the vaccination so we should be in pretty good shape. Supposedly, those that have had covid have three times the protection of those that are vaccinated. Add the vaccination to that protection and we should be able to enjoy a fairly normal lifestyle. I probably won't be getting boosters for it. It is waning right now, and that looks to be a pretty good forecast for the future. That's my opinion and I did not mean to influence anyone else's decision. I may be totally wrong, but that is just my reasoning on the booster idea. One thing that also makes a difference is that I have NO medical issues, and that should be a consideration in anyone's rationale when making health care choices.

Topspinmo 02-24-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2064145)
I would think if one decided to get the 3rd shot (booster) in the initial days they would do so again for the 4th shot (booster).

The CDC direction is pretty specific. There does not seem to be much discussion regarding getting the 4th shot.


Using the same criteria we we did for shot number 3 we will be scheduling our 4th shot.


All about money 💰. Why stop at 4.

MDLNB 02-25-2022 07:27 AM

You're talking about a 4th shot and currently we are being told to delay getting the second shot for a few more weeks, instead of getting it at four weeks. Not sure if they are even sure about what is best, but like some say....their information is "evolving." Who knows if a third shot (booster) is even needed. Or, maybe they want us to get a booster every three months. I've been vaccinated and still got the covid so I don't know if a booster is even needed FOR ME.

waterflower 02-25-2022 07:44 AM

Do you think you were played....

Bay Kid 02-25-2022 07:51 AM

Who to believe? So easy to be lied to.

billethkid 02-25-2022 08:03 AM

Media/political success story.....mass confusion!!

Wyseguy 02-25-2022 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2064359)
What could her doctors have done? This?

https://c.tenor.com/uDyb-e9cgjMAAAAM...bubble-boy.gif

Please STOP. Do not give them any ideas.

Wyseguy 02-25-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2064490)
I have had three shots, I'm over 75, and I'm done. The virus seems to be weaker now, and I have read far too much about the potential side effects of getting these vaccines over and over and over.

Everyone must make their own decision, and I've made mine.

Waiting to see if you disappear before commenting.

Wyseguy 02-25-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2064759)
I had not heard about a 4th shot but if my oncologist calls to tell me to come in, I will.

Gary, my onc advised against the vaccine. I developed a low grade fever (under 100) and a sore throat in end of January.. I was set to get the monoclonal treatment, however that option was taken away. Treated with a strange assortment of meds. The symptoms hung around for a couple of weeks, but never got worse. I do not know if the meds halted and reversed the virus progression. The only thing I do know is that I wish there was more transparency around the tests conducted by the vax companies, and more options to treat the illness.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-25-2022 10:30 AM

If the CDC and the FDA recommend and approve a 4th booster for my demographic, I'll get the 4th booster. As long as it's recommended and approved by the CDC and FDA, my insurance will cover it. If it turns out to be another yearly shot like the flu shot, I'll get them both every year. I had the flu once a few years ago. Not interested in going down that route again.

My sister and husband both have had COVID. My husband had the current Omicron version - felt miserable for a few days but was otherwise his usual self. Sister was sick as a dog for months, lost her sense of taste and smell, had trouble breathing, trouble moving, any worse and she would've needed hospitalization.

I'm not interested in finding out how badly I'd experience it, if I caught it.

Nucky 02-25-2022 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat La Rosa (Post 2064571)
I am 92 years old and do not plan on getting any more shots. I think this is all for the benefit of the drug companies bottom line. I really think if they did not mandate that you get the shots or else??????? the American people would decide for themselves if they want them or not. Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. We don't need this stupid government to tell us what to take and what to not take. This country is beginning to feel like a dictatorship. What happened to this great country having a bunch of idiots telling all us smart people what we should and shouldn't do.

Hey, Pat did you have a conversation with my Primary Doctor? :1rotfl: He just told me the same thing you said almost word for word. He and his wife will not be getting shot #4.

He did advise me to get the shot. So shot #4 for me on Monday. What the hell. :super:

I am not a Doctor or advisor to others about their decision on any shot. It's none of my business.

unialimon 02-25-2022 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2065640)
If the CDC and the FDA recommend and approve a 4th booster for my demographic, I'll get the 4th booster. As long as it's recommended and approved by the CDC and FDA, my insurance will cover it. If it turns out to be another yearly shot like the flu shot, I'll get them both every year. I had the flu once a few years ago. Not interested in going down that route again.

My sister and husband both have had COVID. My husband had the current Omicron version - felt miserable for a few days but was otherwise his usual self. Sister was sick as a dog for months, lost her sense of taste and smell, had trouble breathing, trouble moving, any worse and she would've needed hospitalization.

I'm not interested in finding out how badly I'd experience it, if I caught it.

This is why home prices will be so much lower in a couple years.

MDLNB 02-25-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 2065667)
Hey, Pat did you have a conversation with my Primary Doctor? :1rotfl: He just told me the same thing you said almost word for word. He and his wife will not be getting shot #4.

He did advise me to get the shot. So shot #4 for me on Monday. What the hell. :super:

I am not a Doctor or advisor to others about their decision on any shot. It's none of my business.


My wife said she has no intention of getting a booster, period. She is a cancer survivor and has diabetes, had two shots and recently survived covid.

My doctor examined my blood work and mentioned that I had my two shots. Did not ask me if I wanted a booster, and I didn't bother asking him if I should.

billethkid 02-25-2022 05:55 PM

One who would be 80-85 years or more old probably has a different view on whether to vax 4 or not.

Velvet 02-25-2022 07:26 PM

It was never a question for me. Looked to see how the thousands people over 50 who got 4th shot were doing in Israel. They are doing fine. The vaccine doesn’t cost me anything, so everything is looking good.

JMintzer 02-25-2022 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by unialimon (Post 2065778)
This is why home prices will be so much lower in a couple years.

Huh? Care to exaplin?

camaguey48 02-26-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frank1975 (Post 2064507)
I've stopped at one booster shot. But you go right ahead and got all the booster shots you want. JUST DON'T START TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED A 4TH SHOT. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!

The sheep are helping Big Pharma boost their profits.

camaguey48 02-26-2022 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2065814)
It was never a question for me. Looked to see how the thousands people over 50 who got 4th shot were doing in Israel. They are doing fine. The vaccine doesn’t cost me anything, so everything is looking good.

Doesn't cost you anything? Wanna bet?

coffeebean 02-26-2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2065024)
That's the point NOW...

Initially, we were told that it would prevent infection... Yet here we are...

I do not recall ever being told that the mRNA vaccines will prevent infection. Only "sterilizing" vaccines can prevent infection. mRNA vaccines are NOT sterilizing vaccines.

I recall VERY VIVIDLY thinking, "thank goodness I'm fully vaccinated because I will not become hospitalized and die from this virus if I get infected. I never ever thought I would never become infected with the virus because I was vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine. MSM "hammered" that fact with every reporting about the mRNA vaccines.

I don't know about the J&J vaccine because that is not the vaccine I was given and therefore did no reading about that one at all.

As an aside......."sterilizing immunity vaccines" do not make a human sterile. What they do is offer sterilizing immunity meaning the virus can not infect an individual who has been vaccinated. I do not understand why people continue to think that our Covid vaccines offer sterilizing immunity to every person who is vaccinated. They never have.

Read about sterilizing immunity............

COVID-19 Vaccines: The Myth of '''Sterilizing Immunity''' - The Atlantic

Coronavirus: few vaccines prevent infection – here's why that's not a problem

coffeebean 02-26-2022 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 2065137)
One of the individuals was in their late 80's. I don't know the medical history of these individuals, but one of them was on a cruise right before they came down with COVID. So they were healthy enough to go on a cruise. I don't believe either individual had any life-threatening illness (eg. cancer).

Cancer is not the only condition that can make an individual immunocompromised. You just never know by looking at someone who may be immunocompromised. Someone in their late 80s could die from the common cold so there is that.

coffeebean 02-26-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2065206)
So, they had their vaccinations before they left on their cruise and caught covid and died anyway, right? Not trying to imply anything, just wondering if we are still wanting to blame death by covid on the unvaccinated, or finally admitting that the vaccination is not quite the miracle elixir that everyone wishes it to be. I am not down playing the worth of the vaccination, and have mine but some folks seem to believe that it is ONLY the unvaccinated that are dying from covid. We were on line every morning to get our vaccinations, driving hours to our appointment, and still caught covid. Yes, it was a mild version, but the point is that you can't depend on just a vaccination to protect you. You must be prudent in your daily activities until this thing dies out, IF it does.

Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

coffeebean 02-26-2022 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2065319)
All about money 💰. Why stop at 4.

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

asianthree 02-26-2022 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2066218)
Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

One and only flu shot was 2002, with a lovely anaphylactic reaction, good news is I have never had the flu.
1/2 dose of first Moderna vaccine with severe reaction. Big Pharm doesn’t make any money off of me.

Many don’t get flu vaccine, do quite well without

Northwoods 02-27-2022 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2066215)
Having a strong robust immune system will most likely prevent a vaccinated individual from dying of this virus. Not so however, in unvaccinated individuals. They take their chances and seem to be very proud to do that.

At this point, Omicron seems to be no more than the common cold in individuals with a strong immune system who are fully vaccinated and boosted. Those who are not vaccinated.......good luck to you.

Interesting perspective. I know many unvaccinated individuals who easily survived COVID (I was one of them... I got it before the vaccine was available. I know a number of people who survived before the vaccine was available. One of them was on a pacemaker and had respiratory issues... yet... they survived).

I got COVID a second time after I was vaccinated twice. I was sicker the second time.

Based on my experience and knowing a number of people who have had COVID... It's just not that simple. Unvaccinated people survive. Vaccinated people who have had the booster die. (and...Unvaccinated die...Vaccinated people survive).

Personally, I think people have to do what they think is right for them. And I think people have to stop judging people for making decisions that aren't in alignment with what they might think.

JMintzer 02-27-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2066209)
I do not recall ever being told that the mRNA vaccines will prevent infection. Only "sterilizing" vaccines can prevent infection. mRNA vaccines are NOT sterilizing vaccines.

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."


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