I have no opinion on the flu vaccine, since I have not had a flu shot since 1970 and have NEVER had the flu. I just haven't felt it necessary for me. I am glad that others get the flu shot to protect them, though. Some folks get pretty ill from the flu. Like I said, I have never had the flu (that I know of) and rarely every catch a cold. When I do catch a cold, my symptoms are usually gone in two days. I did catch the dreaded Covid, but it must have been a mild case. I did my duty and stayed home for five days (or more) and wore a mask for over five days when I went out after that.

There is no doubt that Pharma makes big bucks off of their products. That's the American way and I have no problem with it. I do hate it when other countries get the same product for a tenth of what we have to shell out for the same thing. I have no problem with folks making a profit via our Free Enterprise, but darn it cost us a bunch.

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article from January 2021 quotes him as saying:

“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

Most who are doing the whining are those who think they know best for someone else.

For some get the shot and have severe reaction..No thanks..

I'm not whining, but I think that I am going to skip the booster and any more until I feel I might need it. I am not going to let someone on here tell me to "get the shot...etc." just because they are scared of catching it. The shot does not keep me from giving it to you. It might help me,,,period. I got my two shots and I have had covid, therefore I have an idea of what my body can accept. Next week there is a likelihood that they will tell us to return to normal.

And yes, the military requires one to be vaccinated. However, I did not get vaccinated for the flu and was still able to work. I spent ten of my years in the military without getting the flu shot. No repercussions.

If you want to get the shot then go for it. No one is stopping you. Do not presume to demand that I get it, on the pretense that it is going to protect you.

I am not anti-vax. I've had plenty of vaccinations when I traveled overseas. But, some medications I won't take because I do not believe I need them. Example: if I do not intend on traveling to a hot spot, I am not going to take malaria medication. But, that is just me and I will NOT advise anyone else on whether they should or should not get their shots. That is a personal decision.

No way in hell… I did my research and did not just listen to government propaganda. I will sit back and watch the long term effects.

Stay healthy by eating a proper human diet… take supplements… do some exercise and Loose Weight.

I agree to a certain extent, but people may or may not take sound medical advice because 1) what works for the majority of people may not work for them, especially if they have noticed it in the past. For example, I was recommended way higher dosage of certain vitamins than what my body liked. 2) each person has one body, they try to do the best they can with their body. “Sound” medical advice is based on what we know about something so far… that is why as we learn more about this virus, and as the virus evolves, the advice also changes (to an extent). Your body is the only one you have so it is prudent to take the best advice you trust, observe, experience. In the end the quality of your life depends largely on the quality of care you give yourself.

(As far as Covid vac goes I’m ready for my tri-monthly appointments, bring it on!)

But nothing like the Covid Vaccine was the point...

No, if you get the flu, you most certainly can expose others...

And yes, I get the flu shot. But that's because I spend my days in a hospital setting, full of sick people...

Same reason I decided to get the Covid shot AFTER I already had gotten and recovered from Covid... But both were MY decision...

And someone WITH three shots could be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary" Some folks are forgetting that NOW folks that have their shots are being infected and are also contagious.

Trouble is….people who have gotten the vaccination are still getting the Chinese virus and spreading it. Just like the unvaccinated. And I’ll say this again, even though I was attacked for stating my own personal experience in another thread. My wife and I both got the rona. We are both vaccinated. Our daughter got the Rona about the same time. She is unvaccinated. All three of our symptoms were the same, like a mild flu. I have spoken to others that are unvaccinated and they have told me the same thing, it was like a mild flu. Do NOT misunderstand. I know people who have died from it. I am NOT saying it isn’t serious. Just like the flu. But my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE tells me that the vaccine doesn’t lessen the symptoms.

CDC announced that 64 and under should wait more weeks between dose. Little late for millions already on 2 and 3rd dose. Of course big pharmaceutical made billions on vaccine, guessing they will be giving bonus to employees

I never heard Fauci say that. I can not speak to POTUS about it. I never watched Madow but she was absolutely WRONG to say that if she did.

What do you think those vaccine efficacy percentages were about? We were NEVER EVER told that the mRNA vaccines would prevent Covid 100% of the time. The Moderna vaccine has a bit better efficacy than Pfizer but they were both in the 90s efficacy. That means that there most certainly is a chance that people will contract Covid.

We were told that if an individual was fully vaccinated, they would not be hospitalized and would not die of Covid. THAT certainly did not pan out though for people who are immunocompromised. Unfortunately, individuals who are immunocompromised do not have a strong immune response and some have such a poor response, they have no protection from the virus.

These Covid vaccines that we have are not sterilizing immunity vaccines. That means the vaccines do not sterilize the virus and the virus can still replicate. I don't know where you got your information from but I certainly recall different information than you do.

Of course not. Not for the general population.

I only get my information from reliable sources. Conspiracy theory sites and sources have never been a news source for me.

Interesting. In my professional career, I was offered the flu shot but was always able to decline it. My very first flu shot in my life was when Covid came on the scene. I think I had the flu once back in the early 70s but was not going to chance it when Covid was killing masses of people.

CDC-Center for Dictatorial Coercion.

No whining from me. I'm waiting for the recommendation for the second booster or maybe even a third full dose. I will roll up my sleeve ASAP when I am eligible.

Just wondering..........besides a high fever (104) and all the rotton side effects of a fever, what do you consider a "severe" reaction?

Vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to become infected. Un-vaccinated individuals are MORE LIKELY to become infected.

Read about it here.......
You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

I think that was his point.

You want see coercion, in some African countries Covid vaccine is mandated at gun point (WSJ).

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...

That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...

Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw

ED saw patients immediate rash, from injection site, upward to neck and face, difficulty breathing, in some cases required intervention

Problematic patients had appointments in hospital setting just for that reason. Those who have anaphylactic issues with any vaccine, usually were denied by their physicians. Some Immuno compromised that had reaction to any vaccine, were brought in to hospital setting, give a half dose and wait for a reaction.
More people than you will ever know didn’t just get the mild ache, headache, joint issues. Anaphylactic patients are a known group, with serious precautions taken, for any medication. In many cases such as our family, anaphylactic reaction goes on for 5 generations.

Physicians having to use an intervention to keep patients breathing, That’s a severe reaction.

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

There was recently a lady posting on TOTV whose husband had a stroke (or smoother event) and had slow response at the hospital emergency room. I felt for her, my brother (78) in Texas just had a stroke and care was slow also - in Texas.

The staff was thin and exhausted and still not recovered from the massive work load of unvaccinated patients they were swamped with. I don't know if that is what this ladies situation was, but I do know my doctor at the VA has told me the same was true there. I recently (a few weeks ago) had to go to the emergency room at the VA in Gainesville, and spoke with many of the nurses and doctors there, and they were completely exhausted. Again, because they had been over run by patients that had NOT been vaccinated.

I don't know all the stuff people talk about here, and I don't know enough to say if I should or shouldn't get another shot, I just do what my doctor tells me to do. I feel it is the least I can do to help them provide the care and treatment I need more and more often as I get older. To me it is about being a good neighbor.

I thought you said you only got your information from reliable sources?

You got a drivers license?
Wear a seat belt?
Have car insurance?
Pay your taxes?
Need I go on?

Well that should definitely help you, in heaven. Where it counts anyways. I hope to get there too but in the meantime I’d like a few more happy years here….

Personally, I’ll do whatever it takes to keep my family and myself healthy. But my daughter won’t get the vaccine, she didn’t say why. Fortunately she has not caught this horrible virus so far. I have to bite my tongue but it is her choice and she is an adult.

As far as jobs go, no one has a right to any job. One has to earn the privilege to work for money. The employer can set the conditions, and the person seeking the job can say, “I don’t think so.” Until you are physically tied down and forced to get a shot…

Well, if get to 92 then I would comment.

I'll take my chances after two and the booster

Yes, for me. I rarely get flu or catch cold. But, that’s me. Now, in another 10 years or less I might be old, weak enough, and my body failing?

I wondered how all the people (not working) caught Covid? Did they NOT take the advise like staying away from crowds, indoor or out, not eating out where IMO your odds go up dramatically of catching everything that’s going around, air borne, from strange people around you, or in the food. Large percentage that can’t follow simple instructions IMO so rest of us has to suffer.

Wife and I got the first 2 shots and decided that’s it. Not going to keep getting booster shots every few months for whatever new variant that pops up. In my opinion the only people that will be benefitting now from all these booster shots will be the drug manufacturers. Sorry but I personally do not have a whole lot of confidence in these drug companies, these are the same companies that every year can’t get the flu vaccine right, they can’t predict which flu variant we will getting every flu season. The flu has been around a lot longer than COVID, so I am finding it difficult to believe that these same drug manufacturers truly have a handle on the COVID booster shots. This is a personal choice for everyone.

"Less likely?" Ok, I'll give you that since I cannot prove otherwise. However, all the folks that I know NOW that are infected, have been vaccinated. Of course, it is always good to have the positive feeling that one has made the right decision when you think others have not. Why not say something that CAN possibly be proved and that those that have the vaccination will have milder symptoms than those that did not receive the vaccination? Of course, I also know of many family members that caught the dreaded covid prior to vaccinations being available and they had minor symptoms, milder than my own that I incurred after being vaccinated and still catching covid. I am not attempting to convince anyone NOT to get the vaccinations, but I do take issue with those that use static arguments versus a dynamic reasoning process.

Perhaps a possible means of conveying the message is to inform folks that there is way more of a chance of becoming infected with the dreaded covid virus now than before and that IF they are vaccinated, they may-MAY have milder symptoms than if they are not vaccinated. You may also inform them that they are less likely to be hospitalized, even though it is still a possibility. The unvaccinated are not the enemy. Covid is the enemy.

None of those are REQUIRED.
No to seat belt if you are not in a vehicle
No to car insurance if you do not have a car
Taxes are only required (or face jailtime) if you have an income


Got your drift though.

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.

In this country, no one dictates what job you MUST fill. IF/IF does not make it REQUIRED. There are other jobs besides bus driver.

And if you want to be a doctor, you must have a medical degree.
Want to be a lawyer? Law degree.

However, would it be right to “mandate” that we must all have medical and legal degrees because doctors and lawyers are required to have them?