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LWoodLMT 06-09-2020 07:30 AM

You are absolutely right my friend!!

wiltma 06-09-2020 07:34 AM

Van Kerkhove also said that what appear to be asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 often turn out to be cases of mild disease.

Schaumburger 06-09-2020 07:37 AM

Mask wearing for those who still work
 
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780293)
The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

Giving a little dose of what is happening in the world of people who are not yet retired -- employees at all offices in my company are now required to wear a mask when away from their desks. At my employer's production facilities, employees must wear a mask at all times, plus have their temperatures checked before their shift.

When I return to working in my office 2 days a week starting next week, I wonder what would happen if I marched into the VP of HR's office and said, "Masks are virtually useless. I ain't wearing a mask." I wonder how fast I would be terminated? Considering the unemployment rate is greater than 13%, I think I will stick with wearing a mask in my office.

The mask policy does not only apply at my company. A few of my friends must also wear a mask when they are working in their offices.

DonnaNi4os 06-09-2020 07:38 AM

The WHO seems to flip flop every other day. I am not convinced that asymptomatic people seldom spread the virus. That is just my opinion before you jump all over my statement. My mind goes back to an a symptomatic woman who spread disease that lead to many deaths. You may remember her as Typhoid Mary. I believe that the World Health Organization is succumbing to political pressure. It seems that politics sadly drives the world.

DonnaNi4os 06-09-2020 07:41 AM

Medical professionals have been double masking for months for hours and hours every day. Their brains haven’t been so effected that they cannot treat their patients. I’m not buying the nitrogen/mask reference.

cheweycat 06-09-2020 07:54 AM

Public Health officials all say the mask is the #1 protection for others. It should be worn to protect others. All people should wear masks. Could you cite the article about the size of the virus and the inefficacy of masks?

Paporter 06-09-2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1780243)
LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.


How many people have died from previous viruses verses this year? How many of these were from the most vulnerable? Frankly, I’m starting think we’re being infected with viruses by the “annual” push for flu shots. I never had flu shots, until I moved TV’s and have gotten so sick with flu every year. This past year, I refused the flu shot and I thought my doctor was going to throw me out of his office for refusing the shot. He was so angry. Guess what, I did NOT get sick this year. Being a Floridian, I’ve learned how to keep away from snowbirds and their germs etc. The best way is don’t go to the doctor, get medical testing during snowbird season. These waiting rooms are infested with viruses and bacteria.

theruizs 06-09-2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1780278)
And how do you distinguish the "asymptomatic" from the "presymptomatic"?

Exactly! and that’s why everyone should have been wearing masks all along when being around other people, IMHO.

cheweycat 06-09-2020 07:57 AM

And kill over 110,000 people.

kendi 06-09-2020 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Slapnut (Post 1780305)
Most medical personnel say that masks are bad for you to wear for prolonged periods of time
They say you are breathing in your own bacteria and you are also breathing in your own nitrogen which is harmful to the brain when you are breathing it constantly. It was also reported early last week that you should only wear a mask if treating someone with the virus. Who knows if this information will change next week like everything else but I choose to breathe in oxygen versus my own bacteria or nitrogen.

They hide all the pretty smiles we used to see. And people are so hateful towards each other over the virus. So sad to see. You’d think that by the time a person reached their senior years they’d have learned how to interact respectfully with others. Especially those who claim to be Christian.

theruizs 06-09-2020 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1780255)
Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

If it is that easy to destroy the free world economy then it needs a serious revamp anyway. On a lighter note, not sure if you all saw the meme recently posted elsewhere on TOTV with Doc from “Back to the Future” saying to Marty - “Whatever you do, don’t stop in 2020!” A good chuckle, but I sure hope 2020 ends on higher note.

kanoa1kale2 06-09-2020 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Would you seriously consider ANYTHING the WHO puts out these days as truth? What if at China's bidding this information was disseminated to cause more infections? At this point, I would be fact checking anything I could and using common sense to guide my actions.

lyndastahl 06-09-2020 08:04 AM

I would not believe W.H.O.
Just take care of yourself. I would rather be safe then sorry.
For me I will wear a mask. I will do what is best for me.

Manhoopty 06-09-2020 08:15 AM

PT Barnum just smiles....second by second....:)

Manhoopty 06-09-2020 08:18 AM

2 “trusted” sources....the W H O and CNN.....

stadalberts 06-09-2020 08:22 AM

It's a strange, strange world we live in, Captain Jack.......

Lindsyburnsy 06-09-2020 08:23 AM

If a person has contracted COVID 19, but are asymptomatic, they can spread the virus. Those who are NOT INFECTED and are asymptomatic, it is much rarer that they can spread the virus. Aside from that, the scientists don't know everything about this virus, yet. Wear a mask to protect others and yourself.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?


LowOnCash 06-09-2020 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780293)
The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

Ok its just your opinion not to wear a mask - the problem the mask is not for you its for me!

If you happen to be stuck in an elevator and you start sneezing or coughing contaminating the air in this space, what about the other people in the elevator.

What if you have a common flu is it ok with you to spread it to others?

Quit thinking of just yourself, the death count is near accurate!

newgirl 06-09-2020 08:24 AM

It is not at a all time high, stop watching Fox

graciegirl 06-09-2020 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Here is the article, whose headline you quote and if you read to the VERY end you will see the Correction.

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is '''very rare,''' WHO says

merrymini 06-09-2020 08:34 AM

Why would I listen to anything the “experts” are saying since they do not seem to know anything with certainty. ,
Maybe they can learn how to say “we do not know.”

riamd1954 06-09-2020 08:36 AM

Yes I knew it from the get go !! Can’t trust the WHO

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-09-2020 08:44 AM

Here's a situation:

Someone who works at Walmart has allergies - they sneeze and their nose runs during thick humid days and on high-pollen days. They take meds for it, so it's "controlled" but sometimes it just kinda happens, breakthrough symptoms you could call it.

One day, he says "I'm not wearing a mask anymore." Walmart is okay with this and tells him he doesn't have to wear his mask, because you can't trust what WHO says, and everyone knows that it doesn't protect anyone from anything anyway.

So he keeps his mask off.

Two weeks later, there are 1000 new cases of coronavirus confirmed, of which 10 have become full-blown COVID-19 pneumonia, all within a 20 mile radius of this Walmart.

Turns out - this guy WAS infected with coronavirus, but he was asymptomatic. So he had the virus and was spreading it to everyone in the store - thousands and thousands of people, tens of thousands. And all his fellow employees.

Now those 1000 diagnosed coronavirus patients - they are merely the ones who were diagnosed. There are another 20,000 who are now asymptomatic, infected with the virus, spreading it to everyone they know, unaware that they even need to get tested.

This is what happens when you tell people at work they don't need to wear a mask, while they are not showing any symptoms of the virus.

If you need to be in fairly close proximity to thousands of people every day, in an environment with a controlled air ventilation system, you need to be wearing a mask while you're in there. There really is no way around it.

ColdNoMore 06-09-2020 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginpappas (Post 1780219)
It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.


Exactly! :thumbup:

The fact that we are learning more and more about this "novel" (some people should look up what that means) virus every day and passing on and modifying directions/suggestions, should be seen as a very positive thing...and not a rallying cry of "we're being lied to."
:oops:

Gizemo33 06-09-2020 08:53 AM

Great analogy of how COVID-19 spreads. Thank you very much.

Joe C. 06-09-2020 08:59 AM

In today's world, everything that can be politicized WILL be politicized by those who would profit.
Yes, Covid-19 is out there and we do need to take precautions.
Government agencies get involved, and the more they "speak", the more they gain importance. The more "necessary" they can make themselves, the more money they stand to get added to their budget.
It's also an opportunity for those in government and politics who oppose the current ruling party, to cause chaos, instill doubt and social unrest, and then say that they have the solution to our problems.

The ONLY SOLUTION is to use common sense, and take all the news you hear with a grain of salt. And, PAY ATTENTION....analyze what's going on, and see that it's all about the MONEY, POWER AND CONTROL.
Don't get suckered in.

dtennent 06-09-2020 09:14 AM

As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.

SouthJerseyGirl 06-09-2020 09:18 AM

Really? It’s not a conspiracy against you. They are trying to save your ass from death! It takes awhile to learn about a new disease. Better to he safe than sorry!

WindyCityzen 06-09-2020 09:18 AM

This is being debated right now. This is all new to everyone, including epidemiologists. Immediately jumping to conclusions won’t help.

cherylncliff 06-09-2020 09:18 AM

The facts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

If you read the actual report you will see that they differentiate between people who are pre-symptomatic and those who are asymptomatic. Pre-symptomatic are people who have COVID -19 but have not yet started to have symptoms. All the data shows that these people reach their highest infectiousness 2-3 days before they actually display symptoms. Asymptomatic are people who have COVID-19 but only a mild case and they never really display any symptoms and seem to be less infectious.

The reason for social distancing and masks is to prevent spread due to the pre-symptomatic people who are highly infectious but do not yet realize they are sick and can give the virus to others.

Please look at all the facts.

EdFNJ 06-09-2020 09:19 AM

Edit: typed at the same moment as the post right above this .....

Maybe if everyone would read IN IT'S ENTIRETY what actually was written by the W.H.O. rather than what one person speaking said this entire trolling thread would never have happened. One must really read beyond the dark bold headline.

Bill Torres 06-09-2020 09:20 AM

I guess for me the use of a mask is like the use of the umbrella when the morning weather reports states 50% chance of rain today I asked myself should I chance it by not taking an umbrella and get wet.

At least I was given something of an advise. I'll take the advise and not regret anything.

ColdNoMore 06-09-2020 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 1780565)
As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.


Thank you for a well thought out post.

So refreshing, given the knee-jerk responses...we constantly witness.
:ohdear:

Cheiro 06-09-2020 09:24 AM

Always amuses me how folks like to believe what folks want to believe. So, just go on and believe whatever you like. I happen to like the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny; although, the am still making up my mind about Santa Claus. :-)

pamhobbs 06-09-2020 09:45 AM

Coronavirus in Florida
 
Florida just experienced a 4000 new cases surge in spite of attempted minipulation downward by gov. The smart thing is to be cautious and follow nonpartisan guidelines until we know we are on the right track back to normalcy.
Thanks n7

kenoc7 06-09-2020 09:52 AM

WHO got it wrong this time possibly
 
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Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1780242)
When will you figure out this is all political!!

It isn't "all" political, it is mostly about threading the needle to keep the death count under 1/4 million. This is all new and this WHO report isn't definitive - it is a scientific theory based on the evidence as they see it at this time. Nothining more, nothing less.

kenoc7 06-09-2020 09:54 AM

Choice?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1780255)
Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

Would you rather have millions dead?

kathy1516 06-09-2020 10:05 AM

The WHO is as politically corrupt organization. The musical group WHO is more believable.

LEE ZIERES 06-09-2020 10:35 AM

Try watching a news outlet that shows the vandalism and destruction that was done. The Guard was put in place to keep property from being destroyed. These so called peaceful protests are just a conduit for rioters to pillage small businesses. It's like you got together with a group of friends to create a disturbance while one of you robbed a bank all would be guilty of robbery.

chewy 06-09-2020 10:37 AM

Pick any side of the Covid issue and you can find " studies/research" to support your views. trump has made it very clear he views the W.H.O. as useless. To now quote the WHO to support a view is hypocritical. You can't call them out and then use their statements to support a stance. You can't have it both ways.


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