The simple answer is because critical thinking has been destroyed, resulting from generations of public education with a certain political bias/agenda.

“... last month the education press reported the amazing news that, in their ability to think, children schooled at home seem to be five or even ten years ahead of their formally trained peers.”
― John Taylor Gatto, Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

Fred

OK. I agree, 80% political and 20% science 🧪.

Really??
 

Tell that to the families and friends of the 100,000 + who are no longer with us. Oh wait, you probably think that is fake news" right. Unbelievable!

My, 20-20 hindsight is a factual weapon. How could any agency know what the COVID-19 virus would do or not do?....so they responded with a little overkill to keep people like you safer.

With so much unknown about the spread of COVID-19 (world wide), being conservative and wearing a mask was just prudent. If you are correct about the information from the World Health Organization then wearing a mask was only an inconvenience rather than a big deal.

Only to some is it political or made political by some. I trust science not what some politicians says trying to get elected. Any new unknown virus has to have “time” in order for science to gather data. I still believe in masks as what has been learned does not change wearing a mask.

Evidently you are unaware of the following:

If there's a dramatic increase in the number of coronavirus deaths in New York City in the coming days, it likely won't be because conditions worsened in the city, but because of a change in the way deaths are counted.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=video+new+...109-5_y&ia=web

This is true almost everywhere, whether you know it or not. No one knows the true number of deaths from Covid and that's a simple fact. They don't even know the number of true deaths from the flu - estimates - go to the CDC web site and verify for yourself. These reporting numbers are either guesstimates or politically-driven stats … period.

Fred :spoken:

Might of spoke too soon.

Coronavirus Live Updates: W.H.O. Walks Back Claim That Asymptomatic Transmission is Rare

Everybody stop. It just came across my screen that the WHO has issued a new message stating that the prior message that asymptomatic people generally do not spread COVID-19 was a miss understanding.

I repeat, the WHO just rescinded today's comment About the spread of COVID-19 by a systematic people.

I suggest you all go and look at the latest statement from them.

#91 Report Post Unread Today, 12:03 PM
Gizemo33 Gizemo33 is online now
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 13
Thanks: 0
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadbone1 View Post
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Everybody stop. It just came across my screen that the WHO has issued a new message stating that the prior message that asymptomatic people generally do not spread COVID-19 was a miss understanding.

I repeat, the WHO just rescinded today's comment About the spread of COVID-19 by a systematic people.

I suggest you all go and look at the latest statement from them.

Well, it appears that either the original reporter who did the story or the doctor was originally quoted (Dr Maria Van Kerkhove) was imprecise in her language or the reported did not understand the distinction. This is being widely reproted today, although I had heard the clarification. "Asymptomatic" refers to Covid-19 victims who never experience any symptoms- this was the cohort that the doctor felt was "very rare" of spreading the virus. People who experienced mild symptoms" were definitely at risk of spreading the virus- before their symptoms appeared. Language matters and people in authority have a duty to be precise in their language. As far as wearing masks, I feel it's better to be safe than sorry

Please provide sources and corroboration for this alleged "manipulation". And not just hearsay.

WHO Correction
 

Less than 24 hours later, WHO convened a special news conference to walk back its comments, stressing that much remains unknown. But the comment from Monday had already spread widely and been seized upon by conservatives and others to bolster arguments that people do not need to wear masks or maintain social distancing precautions.

Very sensible post...so hoping an effective vaccine will be ready before 18 months.

No one has seen COVID-19 before. The medical profession and scientists are learning as we go along. Medicine is a combination of science and art. Did wearing a mask harm you? I think the masks are a good idea to prevent many common diseases from spreading, especially the common cold. There are far more important things to grumble about than wearing masks.

For those of you who believe that the published stats on Covid deaths/infected are etched in granite and factual, permit me to provide the following, which is typical of the manner that many states have handled their reporting (for a myriad of reasons - mostly political and financial :icon_wink:)

The Facts: Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, recently stated that, even if it's clear one died of an alternative cause, their death will still be marked as a COVID death.
“If You Die of a Clear Alternative Cause, It’s Still Listed As A COVID Death” – Dr. Ngozi Ezike – Collective Evolution

The video of the above is being scrubbed from the internet, as so much that doesn't uphold the narrative but a bit of research will verify this fact!


Fred :spoken:

“W.H.O. Walks Back Findings”
 

After criticism, WHO clarifies stance on asymptomatic virus transmission

“ Less than 24 hours later, WHO convened a special news conference to walk back its comments, stressing that much remains unknown.”

Unfortunately people listen to and BELIEVE what they hear from television performers who disguise themselves as "Investagative journalists" very few people look beyon their nose. Two things to look up are 'operation mockingbird' and 'the business plan ala Prescott Bush'

The myth is WHY?- when intelligent medical USofA Doctors point out the ambiguousness and confusion caused by the W.H.O. that people reject US Doctors that say to KEEP YOUR MASK ON and stay apart, that the science-deniers beat their chests and say, "I'll believe what I want to believe even if it kills me and you".

Facts ----the graph of Fl. cases is STEEPLY going UP by 1,000 new case/ day. Deaths recently are fairly flat in Fl.

People identified with new cases of Covid-19 have increased by about a thousand cases each of the three prior days, but deaths nationally have fallen under a thousand per day for each of the prior days.

I watch it.

You are driving a good point HOME and a high-quality German piece of machinery HOME -----Vaaarrrrooommmmm!

You can cheat death if you have a stylish Mickey - Mask on.

Amen to that!

Florida is definitely trending back up in cases. My opinion: I don't think it's because of more testing. The "curve" really has never straightened or gone down. https://www.wesh.com/article/coronavirus-florida-covid-19/32791789

Nice post and nice pseudo-name!

You go Orange Person. That's AMEN to my ears (eyes)!

Wonderful!! Thank you for your logical post. Keep posting. The US of A needs MORE science and logic, not LESS.

Cases graph is Rising STEEPLY!

Source-NY Times-----For Fl. not Nationally. I stand by my Post.

Excellent point. You don't.

Since we can’t tell the difference between asymptomatic vs presymptomatic ....

So which "science" are we to trust and believe in?

The science from the CDC that initially said mask wearing was not needed to prevent transmission of the virus and might even be counterproductive?

Or the later science from when the CDC flip-flopped and said mask wearing was actually needed?

Or the science that said "millions" of Americans would die from COVID-19?

Or how about the science that said New York City didn't have nearly enough hospital beds and the USNS Comfort ship absolutely had to be sent to help with the overburden? It left harbor after only three weeks and treating a whopping 179 patients.

And don't forget the science that Los Angeles mayor Garcetti used to open the beaches in his city but only in the "wet sand" areas and not the "dry sand" areas.(Obvious question: how does a beachgoer get to the wet sand areas without crossing the dry sand areas? A boardwalk? Did he order a city crew to wet down a walking path? Or, what if an individual took a bucket with them and dipped water from the surf in order to create their own private wet sand area? Does the science support that option?)



How about the "science" of common sense? Does anyone still possess it??

1 - the market is still not all the way back. Unless you are an active trader and just the normal let my investments ride "I'm in it for the long term" as we speak you are still at a loss from the high.
2 - Give it till 4th qtr and you will be longing for today

There has been a clarification of the W H O statement about asymptomatic transmission. The Q&A is now on the news. Here are two statements from the clarification:

Whether someone is presymptomatic or or simply experiencing very mild symptoms is not of importance to the person on the receiving end of the transmission, said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime adviser to the CDC.
"I thought they were getting very prissy and trying to slice the salami very fine," Schaffner said about WHO's comments on Monday on asymptomatic spread.
"You can be vertical and feel 100% or virtually 100% and going about your daily business and unaware that you're infected and perfectly capable transmitting the virus," Schaffner said. "How do we inhibit transmission of the virus by these people who are doing their full range of normal activities? The answer is social distancing and wearing masks and good hand hygiene and stay away from crowds. That's the formula."

Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of its emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday that "it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual."
But then on Tuesday, during the live Q&A, she clarified "this is a major unknown."
"We do know that some people who are asymptomatic, or some people who don't have symptoms, can transmit the virus on," she said. "So what we need to better understand is how many of the people in the population don't have symptoms and separately how many of those individuals go on to transmit to others."

That's what I predict too.

I also predict that once it starts, it will be a torrent...the likes of which we have rarely seen before. :ohdear:

Risk far out weighs the small inconveniences for us
 

We have one big issue with not taking as much caution as we can. Once you get the virus and you have to go to the hospital there is a high chance that your loved one(s) or you, may not see each other ever again. For us that is too big a negative. There is nothing more important to me in my life than the beautiful woman I married 38 years ago. The thought of not seeing her again after dropping her at the hospital door, to not be with her through the ordeal, makes me do whatever I have to not be infected. Yes I hate the mask, yes I think the messages on all fronts are conflicting and yes I miss a great draft beer at the bar with a good meal with friends.

The World Health Organization said Tuesday that the likelihood of asymptomatic coronavirus carriers to transmit disease was still an open question, tempering remarks made the day before indicating it was rare.
The question hinges on whether people are asymptomatic – that is, infected but without ever exhibiting symptoms – and presymptomatic, which applies to people who have been infected and have not yet manifested illness. The latter are contagious, most experts agree.
The trick is knowing which asymptomatic people will actually turn out to be presymptomatic, WHO scientist Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the organization’s technical lead on the coronavirus pandemic, clarified on Tuesday.

How do you know if you are asymptomatic or presymptomatic? Could be too late.

I checked into this further (article in USA TODAY) and found that the spokesperson said the observation came from "a small subset of studies" and "unpublished info" in the far East. She concluded by saying it's "a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare." So, where does that leave us? I certainly do not know but I'm going to continue to be cautious by continuing social distancing, washing hands, etc. for now anyway.