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jimjamuser 08-19-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1991059)
They are finding that COVID stays primarily 3 feet above the ground.

After getting your Booster the requirement will be crawl on your bellies.

6 months ago News Media showed videos of CV riding on droplets of vapor from human breathing and sneezing. The heavier droplets loaded with CV fell to the floor BEFORE traveling 3 or 4 ft. The LIGHTER droplets from breathing traveled from 6 to 7 feet and stayed high (plus 6ft) as they traveled forward. That was the reason for the recommendation for a 6 feet social distance. Those light droplets from a sneeze traveled about 15 feet. The lightest vapor droplets could remain in a room with STILL air for a LONG time (like 15 minutes - although I forget exactly). That is the reason behind the recommendation for people to meet outside whenever possible. And to have windows up and the A/C running so as to NOT have still air in places like school rooms, gyms, office buildings, hospital rooms, and basically anywhere INDOORS. These videos have been available on Youtube and Facebook for over 6 months.

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1990847)
This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month

I admittedly haven't read the article but is this just another dose of the same vaccines that have already been given because their effectiveness has worn off?

Or is it something new as in a vaccine with new/different spike protein? It's disappointing that the original doses didn't seem to last more than a few months and are we going to get boosters every time there is another variant that is widely circulating? We still don't know about long-term effects of mRNA on our immune system so this strategy risky to say the least.

COVID/SARS2-CV is here to stay it will never go away despite our best efforts. It's like saying we want to eradicate influenza or the common cold (coronavirus). Maybe one day they will develop a sterilizing vaccine that can prevent infection and transmission, but don't hold your breath.

drcar 08-19-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella6368 (Post 1991469)
Here's the source btw:
mRNA Tech Inventor Dr. Robert Malone: Easier for
Delta to Kill "Vaccinated" than Jab-Free People - Freedom First Network
freedomfirstnetwork.com

Dr. Robert Malone is a anti vaccine nut case, he and Steve Bannon, have been pushing their misinformation all over the place. I do not care if you get the vaccine or not, people just need to STOP spreading the lies.

Two Bills 08-19-2021 12:25 PM

The only thing that I can find that Dr. Robert Malone invented, was Dr. Robert Malone.

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1991209)
Where did this virus start? Who do you believe? Honest answers?

At this point the origin of this VIRUS is inconsequential. We can't go back in time and change it like in some Sci/Fi movie. Would it matter if a Russian or American astronaut brought it back from space?

flflowers 08-19-2021 12:48 PM

everyone offline already
 
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aallbrand 08-19-2021 01:06 PM

how sad we are against shots
 
Take advice from Doctors and health agencies . Forget about Fox News , News Max and OAN. The same broadcasters who speak against the shots are all vaccinated .

dtennent 08-19-2021 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by flflowers (Post 1991498)
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Dr. Peter McCullough is being sued by Baylor Scott & White Health for continuing to use his former professional titles.

Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods | MedPage Today

Looks like he is part of the misinformation crew. His primary work was in cardiology. However, he is using that basis to claim expertise in epidemiology and virology. I am sure that he took courses during his medical training that covered these areas but that doesn't make him an expert.

He is also advocating hydroxychloroquine as a treatment which has been debunked as an effective treatment against this virus.

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1991491)
At this point the origin of this VIRUS is inconsequential. We can't go back in time and change it like in some Sci/Fi movie. Would it matter if a Russian or American astronaut brought it back from space?

Sounds like a certain woman being questioned about her responsibility for an event that cost American lives, "what difference does it make?"

That's the wrong attitude, and frankly, quite scary. Of course you have to hold the culprits accountable. Reckless or harmful actions should have consequences. At the very least it should be discussed more openly and not swept under the rug like many want to do.

I realize it's a touchy subject because China controls the world's economy and most countries are in their debt, literally. Those who do evil should face punishment of some sort, as a deterrent if nothing else. Do you think because this happened they have stopped their bio-warfare research in the Wuhan lab? Why should they, nobody asked them to.The world/IOC should at least boycott the Beijing Olympics this winter. For health and safety reasons, if nothing else. That would be a start.

Altavia 08-19-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella6368 (Post 1991469)
Here's the source btw:
mRNA Tech Inventor Dr. Robert Malone: Easier for
Delta to Kill "Vaccinated" than Jab-Free People - Freedom First Network
freedomfirstnetwork.com

Real-world data from several mid-sized Florida hospitals demonstrate thIs is false.

drducat 08-19-2021 02:43 PM

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Rose Ann Vinci Igoe 08-19-2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1990847)
This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month

CVS, Walgreens, Publix is already doing booster sign up on line. Available all over the villages. Got appointment next day. I just received mine yesterday. Bring Vaccine card... Medicare and ID ... they will ask if your are compromised.... no proof required but your word. If you are NOT 100% in good health, you are compromised. Easy Peezy... glad I did it... and would do it again.. my friends who have been vaccinated.. got covid, 5 months later, landed in hospital very very ill. Girl friend died in l4 days, because she waited too long and figured she was careful....

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 03:49 PM

Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor Univ. has stated that children who have initially recovered from CV have long-term deterioration of the gray matter of their BRAINS. Pediatric neurological studies are being conducted to determine just HOW BAD the problem really is. The Pediatricians KNOW that there is a problem. The 10-year-old mentioned here could have symptoms of poor breathing, type one diabetes, and a difficult sense of smell associated with long-term CV symptoms. It is very sad that this is happening and I will respect BOTH those affected and the Science that is working to prevent and alleviate this terrible Pandemic. Please get as vaccinated as possible!

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe (Post 1991527)
CVS, Walgreens, Publix is already doing booster sign up on line. Available all over the villages. Got appointment next day. I just received mine yesterday. Bring Vaccine card... Medicare and ID ... they will ask if your are compromised.... no proof required but your word. If you are NOT 100% in good health, you are compromised. Easy Peezy... glad I did it... and would do it again.. my friends who have been vaccinated.. got covid, 5 months later, landed in hospital very very ill. Girl friend died in l4 days, because she waited too long and figured she was careful....

Are you willing to get these every month because eventually that's what it might take.

sail33or 08-19-2021 04:01 PM

One of the reasons for the Booster is that the vaccine data coming in shows it is ineffective. (Doesn't work).

Go look at Hawaii. Google it. 99.5% of all people 65 and older have been vaccinated. Covid is SURGING to NEW HIGHS in Hawaii for those 65 and older. HMMMM.

Now all the vaccinated folks are safe from DYING RIGHT?? So do not worry about anti-vaxers. Wear your masks forever. No sweat. Tommy Copper is selling designer masks to go with different outfits.

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1991547)
Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor Univ. has stated that children who have initially recovered from CV have long-term deterioration of the gray matter of their BRAINS. Pediatric neurological studies are being conducted to determine just HOW BAD the problem really is. The Pediatricians KNOW that there is a problem. The 10-year-old mentioned here could have symptoms of poor breathing, type one diabetes, and a difficult sense of smell associated with long-term CV symptoms. It is very sad that this is happening and I will respect BOTH those affected and the Science that is working to prevent and alleviate this terrible Pandemic. Please get as vaccinated as possible!

Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rrb48310 (Post 1991446)
Schools are just starting back in person learning, if this madness continues the death rate will climb. Shame on you for trivializing, saying fewer than 400 have died. FOUR-HUNDRED children are dead that didn’t have to die, because of the “non-vaccinated”, it should be a crime.

And cases could be ? (should have been?) today at around 300,000 cases. If Medical Science had been followed instead of being ignored. We were asked to stay only outdoors when in large groups. We were asked to stay 6 or more feet away from any non-family members. We were asked to wear masks. Later, we were asked to vaccine ourselves if we were eligible. We messed up on ALL those important areas. And now we have a worse variant circulating. We did this to ourselves - it is like we chose to be in a car wreck. Does the future seem bright for us, our children, and our grandchildren? What have we left them with because of ALL our arguing?

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 04:35 PM

It will be interesting to observe what happens when all those smug, supercilious pro-vaxxers wake up one day and discover their immune systems are shot and there's now a deadly variant circulating that is immune to the effects of the vaccines and the boosters.

Who will they blame? Not China, right, because what difference would it make? Maybe they'll blame all those wise people who have been urging vaccinations and penalizing those who don't get them? Not a chance! they'll find a convenient scapegoat but you can bet it won't be those who led them astray.

This will never leave us until a true, sterilizing vaccine is developed which can prevent infection and transmission. Until then, the CDC, Fauci, the so-called experts, etc. are just pi**ing into the wind.

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1991454)
I doubt a covid shot was reason the 10yr old got diabetes, I'm sure it's the same reason any diabetic gets it...the pancreas stops working, as did my 3yr old grandson....it happens.

I read carsondm's post a little differently. I thought that they meant getting "Covid" as opposed to getting "Covid shots".

Velvet 08-19-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1991551)
One of the reasons for the Booster is that the vaccine data coming in shows it is ineffective. (Doesn't work).

Go look at Hawaii. Google it. 99.5% of all people 65 and older have been vaccinated. Covid is SURGING to NEW HIGHS in Hawaii for those 65 and older. HMMMM.

Now all the vaccinated folks are safe from DYING RIGHT?? So do not worry about anti-vaxers. Wear your masks forever. No sweat. Tommy Copper is selling designer masks to go with different outfits.

Effect of vaccine wanes. Sort of like saying you ate yesterday, what you are hungry again today?

Joanne19335 08-19-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1990933)
I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

Amen. Me, too.

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella6368 (Post 1991462)
But should we listen to mainstream media, LMAO?

The US mainstream media was the traditional media that was trusted by about 250,000,000 people for ALL of the 19 hundreds (1901-1999). The US reporters were considered the best and most honest in the world. Traditional newscasters would inform US society about new medications - about new vaccines against polio, the flu, chickenpox, scarlet fever, and many other DEADLY diseases. The traditional media was always believed and acted upon by Americans. We believed them when they said that Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Now we might not believe things that we all saw on TV. How and why did that all change? I MUST be super conservative, because I still believe in the traditional media! I will continue to get ALL shots recommended by 97% of all US doctors, the CDC, and traditional media.

billethkid 08-19-2021 05:26 PM

Don't the current new cases, hospitalizations and deaths, that are for the most part those not vaccinated attest to the fact that vaccines are the better alternative?

graciegirl 08-19-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1991556)
Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.

It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

jimjamuser 08-19-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1991556)
Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.

If DEATHS are in the "hundreds" and the largest number in the "hundreds" is 999 - and I divide 999 by 166,000,000 - which is the number of US persons vaccinated - I get .000006 - then, if I say that makes 1/2 of total vaccinations to be that of males, then I use 83 million as the denominator - or 999 divided by 83 million, which equals .000012

Now, I am not sure what the exact number of "young adult males" is? It would be smaller than the number of total males vaccinated, so assume it is 30% - or 24,900000. So, 999 divided by 24,900,000 equals .0004 - which means that .04 of one % of all young, vaccinated people would have died

After all those assumptions, it would seem like the main summary is that it is MUCH, MUCH better to be vaccinated!!!!!!

ThirdOfFive 08-19-2021 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1991616)
If DEATHS are in the "hundreds" and the largest number in the "hundreds" is 999 - and I divide 999 by 166,000,000 - which is the number of US persons vaccinated - I get .000006 - then, if I say that makes 1/2 of total vaccinations to be that of males, then I use 83 million as the denominator - or 999 divided by 83 million, which equals .000012

Now, I am not sure what the exact number of "young adult males" is? It would be smaller than the number of total males vaccinated, so assume it is 30% - or 24,900000. So, 999 divided by 24,900,000 equals .0004 - which means that .04 of one % of all young, vaccinated people would have died

After all those assumptions, it would seem like the main summary is that it is MUCH, MUCH better to be vaccinated!!!!!!

A few years back we welcomed a new worker to our unit. Starry-eyed, just out of grad school, shiny new license, the works. A couple of months after she arrived, during one of our Friday afternoon bull sessions, I observed that "I only hope I live long enough to die of something".

She looked at me and said, in all seriousness, "I know EXACTLY what you mean".

Scary.

Bucco 08-19-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1991611)
It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

I have said this many times, and nobody agrees with me, but they are not anti scientist.

They are anti government. Any scientist that says it’s all a hoax or you don’t need to do what is suggested, they would embrace that science.

DaleDivine 08-19-2021 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1991205)
Me and mine will be getting the boosters. Doc told us yesterday to wait eight months from the date of the second shot. Get the same kind unless they have decided otherwise at that time.

Lots of people agreed with me about getting the booster on my Facebook page too, young and old, Villagers and folks clear over in London. A really nice list posted that they would be sticking out their arm to get the booster when it is the right time. The Villages Health Centers now offer the Moderna Shots.... Our daughter had the Pfizer, (we drove her to Orlando to get hers)...because she was younger and that is the place that it was first offered for those younger.

Every single person I know and love have had the vaccine. Except for three. I keep hoping that they too will get the first two. Before they get sick and you know...

My wife and I will be getting our booster...
:pray::pray:

stanley 08-19-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1991625)
I have said this many times, and nobody agrees with me, but they are not anti scientist.

They are anti government. Any scientist that says it’s all a hoax or you don’t need to do what is suggested, they would embrace that science.

Come out of the cave......there are a lot of people that are smarter than you think.

I'm Popeye! 08-19-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1991215)
Correct, we still do not know long term effects.

In your 60s and worrying about long term effects! :1rotfl:

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1991571)
Effect of vaccine wanes. Sort of like saying you ate yesterday, what you are hungry again today?

Exactly! But that's not a good thing. With the flu vaccine you get it at the beginning of flu season, more or less, and then by late spring it's probably worn off but the worst part of flu season is over. With this, you're going to have to keep getting jabbed no matter what season it is! There is no "COVID" season.

Escape Artist 08-19-2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1991611)
It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

I wouldn't like to chance it with my son or grandson. It could result in heart damage which is often difficult to diagnose in young people.

I knew a college-age kid who suddenly dropped dead for no apparent reason. He was an athlete, a basketball player, so he had great cardio and was in fantastic shape. Later, the family released a statement saying everyone should not take it for granted that their kids are healthy just because they appear to be so. The young man had an undetected heart condition of unknown cause so it was truly a tragedy for the family and something they will never get over.

My point is something like myocarditis or pericarditis (which is worse as my mom developed that after her pacemaker was implanted) might cause a heart defect. For that reason, and given the still unknown side effects of these powerful vaccines, I don't think they should be given to anyone under 25.

drducat 08-20-2021 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 1991511)
Dr. Peter McCullough is being sued by Baylor Scott & White Health for continuing to use his former professional titles.

Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods | MedPage Today

Looks like he is part of the misinformation crew. His primary work was in cardiology. However, he is using that basis to claim expertise in epidemiology and virology. I am sure that he took courses during his medical training that covered these areas but that doesn't make him an expert.

He is also advocating hydroxychloroquine as a treatment which has been debunked as an effective treatment against this virus.

hydroxychloroquine is the delivery system for allowing zinc to neutralize a virus so it can't replicate.........that is a fact and is being used around the world......still.


Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro | Cell Discovery

jswirs 08-20-2021 05:09 AM

News?
 
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Originally Posted by aallbrand (Post 1991503)
Take advice from Doctors and health agencies . Forget about Fox News , News Max and OAN. The same broadcasters who speak against the shots are all vaccinated .



Okay, so, what news source should we listen to? Do you recommend CNN? Truthfully, none of them are dispersing just news. All of them are giving their own opinions, and calling that news.

Nucky 08-20-2021 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1991137)
I’ll be first in line

You can be first in line just behind us. We are special. Lol

Great post by the way!

Bob.Betty 08-20-2021 07:01 AM

just had covid, no worse then the flu

Chi-Town 08-20-2021 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 1991744)
just had covid, no worse then the flu

Do you get the flu shot?

TNLAKEPANDA 08-20-2021 07:42 AM

You all need to do some research on what this rDNA is doing inside your body. This is not a vaccine and it’s not FDA approved. Blind trust in the Government and Big Pharma is not a good thing. Every time you get more injected you are potentially causing more damage. Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells

golfing eagles 08-20-2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1991657)
I wouldn't like to chance it with my son or grandson. It could result in heart damage which is often difficult to diagnose in young people.

I knew a college-age kid who suddenly dropped dead for no apparent reason. He was an athlete, a basketball player, so he had great cardio and was in fantastic shape. Later, the family released a statement saying everyone should not take it for granted that their kids are healthy just because they appear to be so. The young man had an undetected heart condition of unknown cause so it was truly a tragedy for the family and something they will never get over.

My point is something like myocarditis or pericarditis (which is worse as my mom developed that after her pacemaker was implanted) might cause a heart defect. For that reason, and given the still unknown side effects of these powerful vaccines, I don't think they should be given to anyone under 25.

Hmmmmm.......

The CDC
The NIH
The WHO
and just about every virologist, epidemiologist and practicing physician.....Based on scientific studies and volumes of data.....
Think they should

On the other hand, there's your opinion

Gee, tough call:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 08-20-2021 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1991786)
You all need to do some research on what this rDNA is doing inside your body. This is not a vaccine and it’s not FDA approved. Blind trust in the Government and Big Pharma is not a good thing. Every time you get more injected you are potentially causing more damage. Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells

And some people need to do the RIGHT research from REPUTABLE sources----mercola.com does not qualify


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