The "rMRA" and "mDNA" mention in the same post reeks of the same conspiracy that created the fallacious trend of dairy labeling and scaremongering when rBGH/rBST was a thing. Yes, Monstanto is a big powerful scary company that produces dangerous things.

But no, bovine somatotropin is not the big hairy monster people think it is. There are no elevated amounts of it in the milk you drink, and there is no way of telling whether the milk you're drinking has ONLY the natural BST that the cow manufactures all by herself, or the rBST which is injected into her to make her produce more milk. The two are molecularly identical. The labeling is merely marketing jargon, it has no significance of any kind, whatsoever.

This is the same kind of strategy used by the anti-vax movement which wants you to be afraid of "big Pharma."

and yet wasn't given to the last president when he was ill with covid...he was given antibodies that fight covid. what else produces antibodies...oh, yeah, the vaccine.

btw, there's plenty of hydroxychloroquine to be had.....Florida bought almost a million doses, OK is trying to return about 2 million dollars worth to name just two

HCQ with Zinc does help as an anti-viral if taken very early in the disease course. Once the viral replication phase is over, and the other dysregulation starts happening, HCQ+Zinc has essentially no effect. Lots of the trials, specially the abominable Recovery trial point out that in the later phases, HCQ trends to harm, specially at the toxic doses as were given in the recovery trial.

Quercetin is an over the counter supplement that is also a zinc Ionophore and does essentially the same function as HCQ as it relates to zinc. It can be taken as prophylaxes without any of the side-effects.

We know that zinc does inhibit Sars-cov2 replication in vivo. Just taking a zinc supplement without an ionophore though will result in a low concentration in the cells, probably too low to do much good. The ionophore will raise the cellular concentrations dramatically, enough to start having an effect. It could be the difference between the sniffles and a bad go of it.

Hmm, maybe I'll wait 10 years for my booster.....:)

I bet if fauci tells them that they can avoid Covid by crawling on their bellies, we would see a lot of them crawling through Publix and Walmart.

I don't understand this post.

1) The article that you reference says nothing about zinc.

2) The paper is a comparison of hydroxychloroquine vs chloroquine in an experiment done in vitro using cells from African green monkey kidney VeroE6 cells (ATCC-1586). While in vitro studies are useful in designing future studies on animals/humans, they do not replace in vivo studies.

3) They appear to compare results done at much higher drug concentrations (1.85 to 16.67 umolar) with the blood serum levels of 1.5 umolar. It isn't clear to me that their conclusions are valid.

I don't understand this post.

Who or what is "OK"???

Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.

It's the abbreviation of one of the United States. To be specific, Oklahoma. Reading each word, in order, helps understand the poorly-written post.

Translated to "reasonably understandable English":

For crying out loud, run and get your booster shot. Fight to be first in line, because surely your two shots have expired and becoming infected is imminent. Now everyone knows that you are going to get the booster and some right along with their yearly flu shot. Fantastic!
My opinion, which is about as relevant as anyone else's is: I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot. I did it for my spouse and was glad to do it for her. The bonus was that I was able to get mine at the same time. Would I have secured a spot for my own shot if not for her? Probably not. All my children but one and all my grandchildren except the very youngest have had Covid and the worst case was equal to a mild cold. Two of my family have had Covid twice, and the only hindrance was having to quarantine, not being able to go to work until they received a negative test result.
I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU. I'm in pretty good shape and take NO prescription medications.
Will I get the booster? I don't know. If they offer it to me when/IF my spouse gets a booster, then maybe. Am I concerned about the chance of infection? I went over a year without becoming infected so far. I haven't been infected by the FLU either so I must be doing something right or one of the luckiest 70's yo in the country.
Do I believe in vaccinations? Sure, I think everyone else should get them. Do I believe that folks should be bullied into getting them? NO, I do not. Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice. Do I care whether or not folks believe their health insurance goes up due to someone else's personal choices? No, I do not care. Do I worry about what an infection might do to me? No, because I have the greatest confidence that IF/IF I ever get infected, it will not kill me. Everyone will die eventually and I believe that whether or not I get the vaccination, I will likely live into my 90's.
My spouse beat death out several times. If she wants the booster, I will gladly assist her. If she declines, I will respect her choice and will not think less of her. Just like I will not think less of anyone on here or my neighbors that decline vaccination.
Some of you are really-really terrible at convincing those that are undecided to get vaccinated. If you want to convince, it is my opinion that proving or providing proof that the vaccine is safe would be the best way to influence folks. I believe the vaccines are safe and think that folks that have medical issues SHOULD be vaccinated. But, I do not know you so IF you die I won't miss you. I am sure there are some that will, though.

What does "vaccine is (or is not safe) mean?

Does the fact that half the population of the USA has been vaccinated with significant positive end result account for anything?

How about the current Delta wave new cases and hospitalizations are predominantly non vaccinated?

The ongoing drum beat about whether the vaccine is safe is a special interest group smoke job.

We choose to be vaccinated to be in a group that is now no longer vulnerable to serious illness and or death.

And if others have chosen to not be vaccinated they know they have chosen to be a part of the most vulnerable group.

The outlook on almost anything these days seems to be .....if you do not agree with someone then they are wrong......
That is wrong!!!

The media and special interest groups nurture the disrespecting the other person's right to choose?

If its free I'll take it. A true senior.

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

Just want to state up front that I'm pro-vaccine so I have a bias.

Do these articles that you are finding give a fair representation of the vaccine? Do they acknowledge its role in saving thousands from getting sick and dying or do they push that aside and give you twelve reasons to not be vaccinated? If they only present one side of the argument, especially if they ignore the benefit and only focus on what they want to present as the negative, then I would think hard before trusting them.

It would be great if there was a way to pre-screen for bad outcomes from Covid. If you could enter your temperature, weight, and blood pressure and have confidence that you would have nothing more than sniffles it would make the pandemic easier to beat. But some of the 900+ people who are dying every day were sure that they were safe from the virus too - they were wrong.

The articles all want you to avoid the vaccine and they give a dozens reasons why you should do so. They all seem to predict some dire outcome if you take the vaccine but don't mention what will happen if you don't. About half the US population has been vaccinated by now, some for eight months. How many doses must be administered and how much time must pass before these deadly outcomes that the article predict come true? More than 900 people each day are dying from the virus, how many are dying from the vaccine?

Several posts have said, "just wait, you'll see." Maybe so, maybe not, but the several thousand that die each week won't be around to find out if the anti-vax articles were right.

This type of argument always amazes me. One is afraid of proteins having the ability to cross barriers… so what? I’m not sure what that implies… but not afraid of the virus which is known to cause death. What can be more scary than dying a painful, prolonged, lonely death? Or living with very reduced quality of life after long haul Covid?
I guess each of us chooses what they are afraid of.

For God’s sake, get the booster. It’s like getting a yearly flu shot. What’s the big deal??? Is this some idiotic political thing?? Yet the monoclonal antibodies treatment is okay? Egads. ������

1) I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot.

For what it is worth, the powers that be are telling us there will be plenty of vaccine availability for the boosters for everyone.

2) From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU.

Not quite. The CDC and WHO go to predominantly SE Asia and China in Dec-Feb and sample people for the strains of influenza that are predominating----which is usually the ones that will hit the US starting in the fall. They give those strains to the vaccine manufacturers (of which the last US company was Wyeth in 1997 because our lawyers put them all out of business so now we rely 100% on foreign sources for flu shots), and the vaccine is produced over the summer for distribution in the fall/winter. It's not a perfect process but reasonable.

3) Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice.

Yes, but the two are not mutually exclusive:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Hmmmmm.....

1) Hundreds of physicians in the 3 largest health organizations in the world specializing in infectious diseases, immunology, epidemiology, and virology. Hundreds of PhD. scientists on one side of the scale. And on the other side, you doing "your own" research. I sense the scale might be tipped a bit against you.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

2) Yes, the last part was "far out there". I'm glad you are healthy and would like you to stay that way. But realize "this disease" has killed 25 year olds in less than a week. You don't have to fear it, but please respect it and do what is required to stay healthy.

good post and factual...

booster
 

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

I know which tv stations you've been watching. The best one for conspiracy theories is “InfoWars”

Qanon.

Wow, I guess the tin foil hats just aren't what they used to be
I think a major neuroleptic is in order-----Thorazine or Prolixin come to mind
For some people it's a good thing that all the large mental institutions have closed their doors

never watched “InfoWars” didn't even know it was on tv.

You mean the poster was serious? I just find some of the comments as funny. Between TOTV and the comics section….

Getting harder and more expensive to find heath care workers. Wonder why?

Like in Star Wars; “It’s a good day … to die!”

The latest installment from the "would you all just hurry up and die" corner of the universe.

Actually, that's a Klingon saying from "Star Trek"

Dear poster, why don’t you do a little bit of analysis yourself? Look at the data in the various countries or, if you prefer only the US, the different states and compare the number of people who are vaccinated who get Covid to the number of people who are not. Do the same for hospitalization. If you are here you have internet. The main strain is Delta now so you’ll be comparing oranges to oranges. See for yourself. Don’t take my word for it or anyone else’s. Look for yourself.

Darn, I knew it was Star something.

Why would Asia get the flu strains first? Their flu season is the same as ours. I heard they track the flu strains in countries in the southern hemisphere, i.e. Australia and South America.

:bigbow:

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers

Was afraid of this being the case....:MOJE_whot:

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers


Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.

There’s a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information.

Because that's just the way it is, no idea why. They do sample S America as well

Interesting choice of paragraphs to quote - from the beginning of the article. I wonder if you read to the end where you would have found:

All that said, some facts are well established at this point. Vaccinated people infected with the virus are much less likely to need to go to the hospital, much less likely to need intubation and much less likely to die from the illness. There’s no doubt that vaccines provide significant protection. But a large proportion of the nation -- almost 30% of U.S. adults -- have not been vaccinated, a fact that has conspired with the highly contagious delta variant to push the country into a new wave of outbreaks.

“The big picture here is that the vaccines are working and the reason for the spike in the U.S. is we have too little vaccine uptake,” Frieden said.

There you go again, confusing conspiracy people with facts. Please stop doing that, as it 'might' (a lot will just ignore the facts) affect the wacko sites bottom line and then they will just be adding to the unemployment rate.