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Villages Kahuna 06-13-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1782976)
There will not be another lock down.

Don’t count on it.

asianthree 06-13-2020 08:38 AM

Lots of first time posters.......

Villages Kahuna 06-13-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 024engine (Post 1783355)
I am not going to give up doing what gives me pleasure. There may never be a vaccine in my lifetime.

Keep that up and it’s almost certain you won’t benefit from a vaccine in your lifetime.

72lions 06-13-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1783370)
Just because someone tests positive, doesn't mean that they are going to die from it.
A person can be positive, and not even know it.
So with this in mind...….

I'm not afraid
I'm not worried
I really don't give a damn,

and

I'm getting on with LIVING!!!

That’s fine, but if your living involves close encounters with me, you better give a damn and wear a mask. Of course, if you’re just another selfish, entitled Villager, that ain’t going to happen.

Dana1963 06-13-2020 08:56 AM

Vaccines
 
The reason nothing closes with the common flu is that there is a vaccine available annually, anti vaccine group that choose not to receive it suffer consequences
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1783216)
There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.


Eg_cruz 06-13-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1782972)
Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

Since when are restaurants open at 100%......phase two is 50% inside 100% outside

JoMar 06-13-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109 (Post 1783129)
Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.

Now that's just wrong

Mohawksin 06-13-2020 09:09 AM

Corona death counting just got more confusing: YouTube

skyking 06-13-2020 09:21 AM

Some are afraid to die. Others are afraid to live.

lindaelane 06-13-2020 10:18 AM

More testing = more cases recorded whether or not there actually are more. And yes, we have been doing more testing every day.

There probably are a few more, but we can't stay locked down the 12-18 months it would take to get a vaccine. That would be more fatal that the disease itself.

Right now, for under 65s in the USA, the chance of dying from Covid is lower than the chance of driving/riding in a car 16-17 miles each day. We do not forbid such people to use cars, so why forbid them to work, eat out, etc.

Not sure about chances for over 65s. Anyway, its up to each person - they can always stay home, shop at the 7am senior grocery hour, use telemedicine, etc., if they wish.

MKDiva 06-13-2020 11:11 AM

Go for it!!

Jacob85 06-13-2020 11:42 AM

Yes I see a problem. We can’t trust authorities to do what is necessary to keep us safe so we are going to have to take care of ourselves. They prefer to stick their head in the sand and pretend the virus is gone which it obviously is not!

Stu from NYC 06-13-2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1783535)
Yes I see a problem. We can’t trust authorities to do what is necessary to keep us safe so we are going to have to take care of ourselves. They prefer to stick their head in the sand and pretend the virus is gone which it obviously is not!

Unfortunately one of their main priorities if not the biggest is getting reelected.

As a result they pander and pander in order to get votes.

We desperately need term limits or citizens willing to vote them out of office.

ColdNoMore 06-13-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mkdiva (Post 1783517)
go for it!!

While I would personally prefer it if everyone that might be around me were constantly tested and made to wear their masks, so I didn't have to, I guess if I were a true American Patriot...I should just adopt the philosophy of YOLO! :D

jebartle 06-13-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by woderfulwendy1 (Post 1783148)
81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

Hmmmm! Thought a female died??

merrymini 06-13-2020 12:13 PM

I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Lock yourself away in a closet and stay there, if that is what you want to do but it does not allow you to dictate to others. Apparently, what we hear from experts isn’t much better than listening to grandma. How can anyone put faith in comments from WHO, CDC, or that idiot Ferguson, who has been wrong more than right. I am happy to see things opened again.FREEDOM!

photo1902 06-13-2020 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1783556)
I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Lock yourself away in a closet and stay there, if that is what you want to do but it does not allow you to dictate to others. Apparently, what we hear from experts isn’t much better than listening to grandma. How can anyone put faith in comments from WHO, CDC, or that idiot Ferguson, who has been wrong more than right. I am happy to see things opened again.FREEDOM!

Exactly!!!

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1782972)
Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

Yes, Bigley problemo. I can see a rise in the current 1st wave and a 2nd, maybe, worse wave in the Fall/Winter combo CV and seasonal flu season. Fl has been undercounting our cases so it hid this recent graph of cases curve steepening now. So, Fl is LESS prepared than with honest counting. The closing, then opening etc. may hurt and cost society more than NYC did by being cautious and CONSERVATIVE. Being secretive and non-transparent is NOT the way to defeat a virus like this. You need medical science. logic and real numbers. Put Dr. Fauci in charge and forget the politics of the situation.

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by matandch (Post 1783123)
Yes. I agree. Nobody cares anymore. We’re doomed!

Everybody knows, the deck is stacked
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
That's how it goes, everybody knows

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109 (Post 1783129)
Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.

Actually it will help all of society, even the individual that may not wear their mask. It might prevent one's own torturous DEATH, an unnecessary, preventable DEATH !

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 1783144)
Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.

You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.

ColdNoMore 06-13-2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1783568)
You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.

DITTO! :thumbup:



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Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 1783144)
Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.

It's not just you...we're right there with ya. :thumbup:

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by woderfulwendy1 (Post 1783148)
81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

What about the torturous Death unnecessarily carried to them by non-mask wearing, non-distancing people. Was that right? Is it too much to ask for mask-wearing? Medical experts state that if 60% of all people wore their masks 60% of the time, that CV could be traced and disappear.

Two Bills 06-13-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1783385)
Slowing it down was the goal (flatten the curve, remember?). Now they are trying to move the goal posts. I believe it may be God's judgement on a sinful nation.But, if anyone doesn't believe in God and prefers the Darwinian explanation for our existence, let's open everything up and let "survival of the fittest" play out. That's what the schools teach our kids. Hiding from the virus is practically hypocritical. Open everything. Take off the masks. Shake hands when you meet someone. A polite hug / cheek kiss when you meet the relatives. Let's get back to normal.

:ohdear:

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1783216)
There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.

Many children HAVE already died and we are in the early innings of CV. And YES asymptomatic can pass it. And nonsymptomatic can readily pass CV 2 days before they develop symptoms. That IS PART of why this CV is so DEARLY.

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boobear51751 (Post 1783311)
Have you seen any amount of testing sites here in TV? No, they do not test here for a reason. If the numbers were real numbers then the sales of homes would drop, money would stop flowing into TV. Why won't they test everyone. There is no shortage of test kits and this population deserves to know how we stand. I lost a dear friend to this virus and he died alone with only eyes behind a mask to bid him farewell. No family or friends by his side. Now, say to yourself if this were my brother, sister, mother or father how would I like to see them die?...... Alone? This is not just the flu or a car crash. We have surpassed the number of flu deaths weeks ago. U.S. has won the most death contest in the world. We need to step back and stop opening up things so fast.

One needs to read the history on other pandemics to understand how this is going to play out. Yes, the reading is a little heavy and very scientific, but it tells the true story. We are not out of the wood and won't be for years. Some of us won't even be here to see the outcome, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Wear your mask at all times.

Sorry Bear, about your friend. It is said to be a not-so-good way to go. Yes, greed and fear are big human motivators. Right today Greed is winning.

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1783356)
Ask yourself why...the US has 3% of the world's population but 30% of the deaths due to covid

Because it is a hoax. Can't you know?

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 1783380)
People are becoming complacent. They are tired of this virus but this virus isn’t tired of us. No nation can endure a lockdown forever and it is inevitable that businesses and attractions would open. Because they have, the number of cases has risen. It was recently Memorial Day gatherings and now protests where people have been in close contact that likely is the reason the numbers are increasing. Let’s not forget the recent space launch where people ignored social distancing. Gov DeSantis said yesterday in his press conference that it has been young people who typically can fight off the virus that account for the increase. The problem with that is that they become seeds that scatter to older, at risk people. So, if this virus does what is anticipated, I suspect we will see an uptick in older populations within the next few weeks. As for an increase because of testing, that isn’t exactly accurate, and WHO’s irresponsible message that masks aren’t necessary has been contradicted by so many Infectious Disease experts.

We each get to choose our level of comfort. If you are at risk, stay home. If you choose to go out and about, be smart about it. So, I will do what is best for myself which is to only go out when necessary and to interact only with a small circle of friends who agree to wear masks if we gather. And, most importantly, I will wear a mask when it is necessary to go out. I respectfully request that others wear masks when going out and about as well. It is the responsible and kind thing to do. We can get through this difficult time. We are resilient and intelligent. We may have more cases in the US than any other country, but we also have a much larger population too so that is no surprise. Hang in there everyone, respect one another. We will get through this.

Well written and empathetic. Maybe you could run for some government office. I would vote for that logic.

Huskies 06-13-2020 02:41 PM

Yes I see a big problem with all these openings going on. It’s not a great idea since the numbers are going up again since Memorial Day weekend. It’s horrible to see so many people without masks with no feelings about other people who have bad health conditions.

Madelaine Amee 06-13-2020 02:55 PM

I saw my cardiologist this past week. We had a discussion about Covid. He told me that the people wearing the masks and protecting themselves in public probably don't need to, and those choosing not to wear masks probably need to.

Awful lot of old men don't wear masks!!!! I've even seen people in wheel chairs not wearing a mask. :ohdear:

Personally, I really don't care what others do, I just do the best I can for myself.

photo1902 06-13-2020 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1783645)
I saw my cardiologist this past week. We had a discussion about Covid. He told me that the people wearing the masks and protecting themselves in public probably don't need to, and those choosing not to wear masks probably need to.

Awful lot of old men don't wear masks!!!! I've even seen people in wheel chairs not wearing a mask. :ohdear:

Personally, I really don't care what others do, I just do the best I can for myself.

But I thought we’ve all been told that wearing a mask is to protect others... not the wearer. Has that now changed?

twinklesweep 06-13-2020 04:27 PM

Generally speaking—and keeping as clear as we can be—people seem to think in one of two ways. This doesn’t mean that anyone thinks 100 percent one way or the other. Read the two quotes and see if you identify with one more than the other—or mostly with one or the other.

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Originally Posted by woderfulwendy1 (Post 1783148)
81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1783571)
What about the torturous Death unnecessarily carried to them by non-mask wearing, non-distancing people. Was that right? Is it too much to ask for mask-wearing? Medical experts state that if 60% of all people wore their masks 60% of the time, that CV could be traced and disappear.

Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!

billethkid 06-13-2020 04:38 PM

Where is the surge being measured from the social distancing exempt group?

You know the hundreds of thousands of shoulder to shoulder protestors.

Funny how that issue does not get much coverage.

jimjamuser 06-13-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1783678)
Generally speaking—and keeping as clear as we can be—people seem to think in one of two ways. This doesn’t mean that anyone thinks 100 percent one way or the other. Read the two quotes and see if you identify with one more than the other—or mostly with one or the other.





Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!

Better to give up on your surgeon!

jarodrig 06-13-2020 05:32 PM

Survival of the fittest .... always has been , always will be ....so, let’s get on with life , if you dare ... ;)

BS Beef 06-13-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 1783678)
Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!

So you’re never giving up your mask? Ever? You’re aware they wear more than just a mask, right? Hope you’re not being irresponsible and going out in public In anything less than full PPE.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-13-2020 07:16 PM

I agree with the posters that have said that we have had more testing done and that will give us more positive results.

But another thing to remember is many, if not most, of those cases that were reported yesterday were contracted up to fourteen days ago. It's not like we opened up and all those people got the virus that day. Some of those cases occurred two weeks ago before phase two began.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-13-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1783568)
You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.

The latest from the Corona Task Force says that it is almost impossible to catch the virus by touching surfaces. So all that hand washing and sanitizing evidently was for nothing.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-13-2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 1783151)
It took awhile but we got used to wearing seat belts, right? So, same will go for the masks, will wear them for as long as it takes to be safe. It is surprising to watch people as they exit their cars and not have a mask on, but as soon as they hit the door of a business, on goes the mask. It will be for a time until a vaccine is produced that will protect us, and it will be like getting a flu shot every year, I hope..........

The latest from the Corona Task force says that it is very difficult to catch the virus outdoors and almost impossible to catch it when the temperature is over 77 degrees.

Masks are basically to protect other people. The virus will go through most masks. But a mask will slow down the expulsion rate of the virus coming from the person wearing the mask. In other words, some of the virus might get through but it will not travel as far.

GoodLife 06-13-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1782972)
Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

Hmmmmm The average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. What happened 5-6 days before June 12, when you posted this?

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