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Annie66 05-15-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1764799)
Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

Well said …… the mask I wear protects others. I wish others would respect my health.

SouthJerseyGirl 05-15-2020 08:26 AM

What don’t you get about this? Common sense tells you that a mask offers everyone more protection from germs than no mask. It’s just not that difficult to figure out.

calibantwo 05-15-2020 08:27 AM

The mask is a courtesy for others. It does not screen out the virus. It keeps you from spreading the virus to others if you are a carrier.

graciegirl 05-15-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1764811)
No. When Dr Fauici and the CDC told us to skip the mask they already knew the virus spread by droplets from sneezes, coughs etc This has been known about viruses for a long time, before this current pandemic. Nothing changed except they reversed course.

I think, if we remember, at the start of our awareness, in early March, we were asked to not buy the masks, there were few available then, and we were requested to allow the meager supply to be used by medical people in the front lines.

hrdcorpsmarine 05-15-2020 08:44 AM

If you don’t want to wear a mask, DON’T. However respect everyone space. 6 feet and no coughing or sneezing. If you fail to take precautions for all these things you could find yourself in a hurt locker. Just saying.

Joe C. 05-15-2020 08:49 AM

From Dr. Fair.....Covid can enter the body through the eyes.
So how about this new theory...…"IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO IS INFECTED WITH THE COVID -19 VIRUS, YOU WILL CATCH IT".
Then we will all have to walk around wearing horse blinders.
:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
Just kidding....

billethkid 05-15-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

The initial discouraging of the mask to do or not was to stop the stampede for masks to allow the medical providers adequate supply.

Why is it those who are against masks cannot just be satisfied with their decision?

Why do they always have to diss and put down and make derogatory remarks of those who think otherwise?

Be happy in YOUR thoughts but please allow the rest of us the same courtesy.

allsport 05-15-2020 08:54 AM

Two things about the masks, first they told you not to use them because they needed them for the frontline providers and there were not enough and now they want you to wear them as they have scientifically proven that when everyone wears a mask, the spread rate of the virus drops dramatically. It holds your droplets in place and does not shower other people so you wear one to protect others and they wear one to protect you. One stat you have is very wrong. This virus has a 6% death rate currently which is much worse than the flu that has about a 1/2 of 1% death rate. It is not that easy to catch the flu, you have to be showered with the bug directly, Covid 19 hangs in the air and you can get it just by walking in the air that has been contaminated. It is so much more contagious. Be good to your fellow man and wear a mask.

graciegirl 05-15-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1765440)
From Dr. Fair.....Covid can enter the body through the eyes.
So how about this new theory...…"IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO IS INFECTED WITH THE COVID -19 VIRUS, YOU WILL CATCH IT".
Then we will all have to walk around wearing horse blinders.
:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
Just kidding....

Seventy thousand comedians out of work...………………..

Agentjanhusak@gmail.com 05-15-2020 08:57 AM

I totally agree and I have to bite my tongue when I’m in a store and someone stops to chastise the person not wearing a mask........get over your fears people!!!!

billethkid 05-15-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Agentjanhusak@gmail.com (Post 1765451)
I totally agree and I have to bite my tongue when I’m in a store and someone stops to chastise the person not wearing a mask........get over your fears people!!!!

Why do those who choose not to wear a mask feel ALWAYS feel obligated to distort doing so to equal to fear?

While in the same litany make sure they boast in one way or another that not wearing one a good decision?

ffresh 05-15-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1764830)
Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

Stop that critical thinking immediately; we'll have none of it. Toe the party line or you shall be ostracized severely. :icon_wink:

Besides, we have to ensure that there is sufficient room in the prisons for those who are truly a danger to society - people who do not wear the mandated masks, those who do not social distance properly and those who insist on exercising their Constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and redress of grievances

Fred :spoken:

Madelaine Amee 05-15-2020 09:21 AM

Am I the only person who has noticed the number of nurses in the ICUs that are wearing eye goggles along with their other protective gear. There must be a reason for this extra layer of protection.

huange@verizon.net 05-15-2020 09:47 AM

The news reported that the virus can be transferred thru the eyes. I suppose we’ll be seeing goggles soon.

anothersteve 05-15-2020 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by huange@verizon.net (Post 1765486)
The news reported that the virus can be transferred thru the eyes. I suppose we’ll be seeing goggles soon.

That has been known almost since day one. Why is the media going to pound that into our heads now?

Steve

zonerboy 05-15-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1765471)
Am I the only person who has noticed the number of nurses in the ICUs that are wearing eye goggles along with their other protective gear. There must be a reason for this extra layer of protection.

Yes there is a reason: the surface of the eyes are kept moist by fluid secreted by glands under the eyelids. This fluid (known as tears) flows into tear ducts in the corner of the eyes, and these ducts empty into the nose. This is why crying makes your nose run. So if you get the virus into your eyes by touching your face or rubbing your eyes, the virus will be washed into your nose and from there into your throat. Bingo....infection!

fdpaq0580 05-15-2020 10:02 AM

Maybe?
 
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1765461)
Why do those who choose not to wear a mask feel ALWAYS feel obligated to distort doing so to equal to fear?

While in the same litany make sure they boast in one way or another that not wearing one a good decision?

Maybe it's because that is their way of dealing with their own fear. They may be so afraid of being thought of as being one of the herd ( herd "A") that they go to these measures to try to assure themselves they are brave, tough, unique and independent, just like all the others in herd "B".
????

cherylncliff 05-15-2020 10:05 AM

N95 masks, if properly fitted and worn, will protect you from inhaling viral particles. If you touch the mask or a contaminated surface and then rub your eye or nose then you have infected yourself. Cloth and paper masks provide very little protection to the wearer. The recommendation to wear masks was made to prevent asymptomatic people or people not yet feeling ill but still infectious from further spreading the virus. In other words, wearing masks is to protect others. If everyone wears a mask in public then we protect each other. If you do not care about your fellow human being, then do not wear a mask but if they then get sick from you and infect someone you love, you have to live with the consequences.

ffresh 05-15-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1765489)
That has been known almost since day one. Why is the media going to pound that into our heads now?

Steve

EXCELLENT question, Steve. As though this were some new revelation peculiar to CV-19. Agenda-driven reporting can be the only reason. I suppose next they'll be calling for goggles … we shall see!

Fred

billethkid 05-15-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1765523)
EXCELLENT question, Steve. As though this were some new revelation peculiar to CV-19. Agenda-driven reporting can be the only reason. I suppose next they'll be calling for goggles … we shall see!

Fred

Is there any other kind of reporting??

nevjudbaker 05-15-2020 11:17 AM

The mask protects others. If you are carrying the virus & cough you are protecting others.
I have a lung disease, COPD, & asthma so I have to be extra careful. I wear a hat, a mask & a clear plastic shield to protect myself from people like you who do not wear masks. You may be encouraged by others not wearing a mask but it doesn't encourage me. Hence I only go out looking wierd but it is not that I am being ridiculous it is because I have a very good reason for my protection from others who don't wear masks. Masks are to keep your germs to yourself. I keep my germs to myself and have to protect myself as well. I need to walk to exercise my lungs, I have to buy groceries & pickup my mail. Other than that I stay home. I would like to go the the restaurants so I have the plastic shield to keep me safe.
Why do nurses, doctors & anyone entering a very sick patients room? To keep from spreading anything to the patient. To protect themselves they wear the shield. Doesn't take an expert to figure that out. Gloves are worthless.

LynneH 05-15-2020 11:32 AM

Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

fdpaq0580 05-15-2020 01:28 PM

Good for you!
 
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Originally Posted by LynneH (Post 1765556)
Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

Good for you for doing the best you can to try and protect yourself and the one you love. Taking precautions are no more foolish than looking both ways before crossing the street. Those who would tease or belittle the cautious and careful have their own fears or agendas and certainly haven't considered there may be circumstances they aren't aware of.
Keep doing the best you can to keep safe and well. Nothing is 100%, but it doesn't hurt to try.

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Marathon Man 05-15-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Here is what I don't understand. Why the heck do you care if I wear a mask?

jimjamuser 05-15-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1764759)
As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:

Exactly correct.

GoodLife 05-15-2020 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by dewilson58
As more was learned about the virus, things changed.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1765649)
Exactly correct.

No, it's totally incorrect. Fauci and the CDC knew the virus was spreading human to human in China through people coughing sneezing droplets of virus before it even got here. They first learned about asymptomatic spreaders after anaylizing the cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February and found that 17% of the positives experienced no symptoms. Fauci was still saying masks not necessary in late March on 60 minutes.

CarolSells 05-16-2020 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1765467)
Stop that critical thinking immediately; we'll have none of it. Toe the party line or you shall be ostracized severely. :icon_wink:

Besides, we have to ensure that there is sufficient room in the prisons for those who are truly a danger to society - people who do not wear the mandated masks, those who do not social distance properly and those who insist on exercising their Constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and redress of grievances

Fred :spoken:

Thanks for understanding my “question”

ALadysMom 05-16-2020 10:42 AM

What if we would all treat others as we want to be treated? The science and opinions about masks are too often used like a club to beat others into submitting to whatever position you believe is right. It has always seemed reasonable that covering my face Might help protect others from me and covering my eyes might help protect me from others. Why wouldn’t someone else’s tiny droplets enter my unprotected eyes, nose or mouth and set up shop if there’s nothing to inhibit them? Since sneezes and coughs are unpredictable, how would anyone know one will not sneeze or cough in a store potentially infecting others? So I wear a mask & eyeglasses in enclosed spaces but I don’t bully or chastise others because I don’t want to be treated that way. So many of the things we need to have science or lawmakers demand of us is really common sense and were things that our foremothers knew all too well: keep your distance from sick people, keep your hands out of your mouth, nose and eyes, cover yourself when you sneeze or cough, wash your hands often with plenty of soap, a hot toddy can make a sick adult feel a little better, warm sunshine & fresh air are really good disinfectants—but always— treat others like you want to be treated. (I can hear my Grandma & Mom’s voices as I write this. So grateful for their words of wisdom, RIP)

retiredguy123 05-16-2020 10:53 AM

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that they did lie about masks because there was a shortage and they wanted health care workers to get the available masks. It's the same kind of lie they tell when a hurricane hits and they say that looters will be prosecuted.

Inexes@aol.com 05-16-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1764860)
Aha, You Tube----the DEFINITIVE source authority for all medical information :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

LOL...... get 'em Doc. Ranks right up there with the "Google search vs your medical degree"...... I love your posts :clap2:

ALadysMom 05-16-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LynneH (Post 1765556)
Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

Everyone wishes masks would come with an impossible guarantee. Respect for others and reasonableness would go a long way. Is it better to:
A) wear a mask and risk that it did nothing beneficial?
Or
B) not wear a mask and show disrespect for others and risk infecting them?
I think option A is respectful in certain reasonably limited, enclosed public situations. Wearing a mask while walking or jogging outside all alone or while driving a car or working in your own yard are unreasonable and potentially more of a safety risk to the mask wearer.

Isn’t it illogical that lawbreakers (criminals) are expected to magically transform their behavior and comply with social distancing and mask wearing guidelines?

Many of the mask enforcing patrol are the same folks who don’t respect fetal human life. Demanding protection for others is inconsistent if it is not extended to all humans, an inconvenient truth.

ALadysMom 05-16-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nevjudbaker (Post 1765541)
The mask protects others. If you are carrying the virus & cough you are protecting others.
I have a lung disease, COPD, & asthma so I have to be extra careful. I wear a hat, a mask & a clear plastic shield to protect myself from people like you who do not wear masks. You may be encouraged by others not wearing a mask but it doesn't encourage me. Hence I only go out looking wierd but it is not that I am being ridiculous it is because I have a very good reason for my protection from others who don't wear masks. Masks are to keep your germs to yourself. I keep my germs to myself and have to protect myself as well. I need to walk to exercise my lungs, I have to buy groceries & pickup my mail. Other than that I stay home. I would like to go the the restaurants so I have the plastic shield to keep me safe.
Why do nurses, doctors & anyone entering a very sick patients room? To keep from spreading anything to the patient. To protect themselves they wear the shield. Doesn't take an expert to figure that out. Gloves are worthless.

You also have an abundance of commitment, intelligence, respect and prudence which you use to try to outwit a viral invader. It takes dedication and courage to do what you’re doing. Keep up the good efforts. May good health and peace be with you.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-16-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1765280)
Oh. Like groups at the grocery, or groups at the dog parks, or groups at the pools. I see.

Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1765645)
Here is what I don't understand. Why the heck do you care if I wear a mask?

I don’t care one bit that you ware a mask. I just find it amusing that people who put these flimsy non surgical face coverings on actually believe that they’re protecting themselves from something? Knock yourself out!

Velvet 05-16-2020 01:12 PM

When we can get the N95 or even better N99 masks to protect ourselves then we can finally stop begging others to wear their masks.

Number 10 GI 05-16-2020 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1765952)
Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.

The criminals in jail did have an option, to not commit the crime that got them there in the first place. The things you do can have undesirable consequences.

Madelaine Amee 05-16-2020 01:18 PM

A note to all n on-mask wearers:

You will not get into a hair salon, or any other type of salon without a mask. You will not get into a doctor's office either and I am sure there are many other professional buildings you will not get into. Also, Fresh Market is closed to you without a mask.

It may prove to be totally unnecessary, but right now I am not taking a chance, the mask is a nuisance I am prepared to put up with in the hopes of protecting myself and my husband.

Two Bills 05-16-2020 01:34 PM

F it!
I'm staying indoors.
Last person standing, please call to let me know it's safe to come out!!

queasy27 05-16-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765965)
I just find it amusing that people who put these flimsy non surgical face coverings on actually believe that they’re protecting themselves from something?

And you've personally queried every mask wearer about his or her beliefs to know this?

No one here has said they believe wearing a face covering protects them. They're solely used to help reduce any possible spread to others.


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