Sorry ... you can't mask 'stupidity'.... ;-(

Go back and read some of the older threads, there were all kinds of people claiming that a mask would prevent you from being infected.

I’m with you! LOL

The flu Will never gone and it never will.

You missed you’re chance in early January.

Why are some people bothered so much by someone else wearing a mask? Geez.

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I agree, wonder how that happens? CDC, Doctors, Nurses, Scientists have all said you wear it to protect others, not yourself. The mask reduces the travel distance if you sneeze or cough. It's also suggested you don't need it if you are able to maintain social distancing and not in a confined space. I will say that it is encouraging to see the number of people that do wear them, even outside and for those that do...thank you.

[QUOTE=OrangeBlossomBaby;1765952]Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.[/QUOTE

Thanks for the long winded reply. (Sigh). You quite obviously missed the entire nuance of my post and therefore felt the need to educate me on prison conditions. (Yawn). If that makes you feel superior, so be it.

Right will never be Right Again.........The entitled and Business Bashers need a forum and the TOTV provides their entertainment to do so!!!!!!!!

It beats the hell out of nothing.

You seem to have forgotten one other very important option; "I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better".

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! These folks you are so worried about, have a proven track record of being predators, for the most part and you seem less than hesitant to applaud their release back into society to prow on law-abiding citizens. Some of these folks are serious felons and are not concerned that the churches are still closed (if you get my drift). Was your concern as heightened when many states placed CV-19 positive patients into nursing homes, like in PA, which resulted in 2/3 of the known deaths from Covid … just sayin'

Fred

Masks don’t stop the virus particles directly if they are in the air but do a good job of blocking the droplets that we expel when coughing, sneezing (or singing) that carry them. Experts (who originally urged not wearing them so there would be enough for front line healthcare workers) now agree we should wear them. See the video here to understand why. A mask in my view, protects others 80% and you 20%. Your mask protects me 80% from your virus and you 20% from mine. PREVENT THE SPREAD: Wear a mask to prevent infection - YouTube

Do you wear a seatbelt?
 

Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you use a child's safety seat in your car, if you transport babies? Do you wear sunscreen? Do you look at the eclipse of the Sun without protection? Do you wear protection when...?

Amazing, you would never believe common sense would become a P statement,but somehow the masks have been made into that.

You just don't understand.

I can look tougher, more manly and partially assuage my massive insecurities...if I don't wear a mask in public.

Especially if I can have every other single person who might come within a mile of me...wear their masks to protect me.

See how easy now...that is to understand?


And good on Fauci, for having the bravery to say basically the same thing...in public. :thumbup:

Excellent points Ben. :ho:

There is a glaring irony in this mask mess.

How many people who would like to go out and spend some money will not do so because they do not want to encounter anti-maskers who can cause them risk.

Anti-maskers hurt brick and mortar businesses while Amazon makes more money than ever. How’s that for irony.

By the way, Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic.

When I am seeking direction on what to do in the face of a virus that kills people, particularly the highest percent of people it infects who are over 65, I do not look to politicians, I look to science and to the experts who try to make sense of this virus which is completely new on this planet and is still not completely understood. I know that not even those who specialize in epidemics did not have a true handle on Covid-19 early on and we were struggling at first to dispense face masks that were early in March in short supply. Even now the experts are still not saying with certainty what the virus does, still studying unusual symptoms like blood clots in all ages, and Kawasaki Syndrome in little ones, so I think that people at risk will continue to err on the side of caution, hoping to hear good news and valid facts soon from the mish mash of what is real and what is conspiracy theory.

Here is something released from Dr. Fauci, who should know better than most people, how to direct us;

Dr. Anthony Fauci on How America Can Avoid a Second Wave of the Coronavirus

I think some people could say the same thing I just said and you still want to bite them. It's all in the attitude.

Whoa horsey!

The percentage of all covid deaths is 80% for people over 65.

The death rate for people over 65 who catch covid 19 is 1.3%

COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios | CDC

I believe that is what she said !!!!!!

What is the point you wish to make about masks ???

"Dr. Anthony Fauci on Wednesday called for a cautious approach to reopening the US and implored Americans to wear face masks in public.."

Fauci says he wears a mask to be a symbol of what 'you should be doing' - CNNPolitics

And please do not come back with another abridged Fauci quote. Stick with facts, not fiction.

"Virginians will soon be required to wear face masks in public to help curb the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Ralph Northam announced on Tuesday."

Virginia mandates coronavirus face masks as state sees biggest daily spike in new cases | Fox News

she said this "virus that kills people, particularly 80% percent of people it infects who are over 65

Try to stick with facts, not fiction :)

The thread subject is MASKS, not percentages

Thanks

I am unsure as to why you started this thread.
1) was it to encourage people to discontinue wearing their masks?
2) was it to make fun of people who wear masks?
3) are you trying to validate your reason for *not* wearing a mask?

Why do you care, either way?

At a doctor's appointment this morning I witnessed a woman who tried to enter the check in area without a mask. She was asked if she had one....she did not...they offered her one which she accepted with a huff!!!

Additional stress for our front line health providers to contend with.

I applaud the businesses and medical facilities that REQUIRE masks before entering.

How many folks yap about following the science .....but in the face of the science behind wearing a mask, there are so many non conformists.

Stupid cannot be fixed.

Were you elected hall monitor recently?

If you are discussing masks and if they protect you, it might be helpful to have accurate facts on death rates and totals. For instance, pneumonia/influenza killed 117,761 americans in the 2019-2020 season. They are both contagious but we don't shut down the entire economy or wear masks to fight them.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

PS If as Gracie said, the death rate for covid positive over 65 people was actually 80%, I'd invest in a Bio Level 4 containment suit and wear it every time I left the house.

Were you elected purveyor of all wisdom, sir? We all are trying to communicate ideas, not win the Nobel Prize. I am a retired nursery school teacher.

Yes so true! If masks really work give them to prisoners.

No, I'm just someone who knows the death rate for seniors over 65 who get covid 19 is not 80%, but in fact is listed at 1.3% at the CDC.

We don't want to scare people with false statistics do we?

I think you got some ‘splainin’ to do
 

GoodLife,

Oh my, here I am, behaving in an excruciatingly tacky manner by quoting myself. How unseemly of me. But my curiosity is getting the better of me so I just have to ask you a question — or two — or three.

Please read my post above and then explain to me, in your own words, how anti-maskers are not guilty of trampling the economy even deeper into the hole.

I just heard a report on “Marketplace Money” that talked about the velocity of money. I was not familiar with the term. Now, I am.

The velocity of money has sloooooowed waaaaaaay down, of course. Anti-maskers might try thinking a little further. Like I said above, people who want to go out and spend are intimidated by the anti-maskers who have allowed themselves to be goaded into ridiculous, divisive behavior. (That intimidation factor is usually subtle, but can be shockingly overt and even violent.)

You seem to delight in bashing those who think masks might help — you know — the ones who seem to care about others, in addition to their own health. And I guess it’s a given that you ain’t agonna wear no mask. BUT could you please explain how anti-maskers are good for the economy — in your own words? No links. No graphs. No charts.

Boomer

Recognizing that it's not really about anything other than perceived appearances and a need for machismo, driven by insecurity, I'm still...

:popcorn:

I truly can not understand the selfish, inconsiderate behavior of many adults during this unprecedented health crisis.

Those who don't like wearing a mask are not going to like a ventilator much either.

LOL A long time ago I posted a thread titled "We've been had" in which I stated that Fauci and others lied to us when they said we don't need masks, they don't work, you aren't trained to fit them properly. I also posted a graph showing that countries who promoted use of masks by all were doing better in terms of covid 19 case numbers. That was the period in this pandemic where masks wearing by the public would have done something in terms of mitigation with cases going up every day.

That thread was deleted, probably because who knows who complained to the moderators for some reason. :1rotfl:

I've commented in various threads that if I were to go into a supermarket or other building with people in it, I would wear a mask. But since only N95 masks offer true protection, and I don't have any, I don't enter buildings other than my own home and haven't for over 2 months. So I am not intimidating any maskers anywhere and am spending money by buying online and supporting the economy like a true American! My money has great velocity! I spend the same per month as I always have, except for gas and travel.

So I was promoting use of masks before it became fashionable, but I got deleted. :MOJE_whot:

The whole mask frenzy is amusing. There has not been a new case in Sumter County for four days. I'd post a link to prove it but I'm agonna grant your request not to. :icon_wink:

That's easily solvable.

If they refused to wear masks, honor their preference...and just don't intubate them. :shrug:

Since 80% of people with covid 19 die after being intubated, it's not a big threat.

The king of Va. has declared everyone will wear a mask.

I am a retired nursery school teacher...…….and YOU ARE??? Were you or are you involved in a medical career? You are an intelligent man and have given us a lot of good information, but sometimes you seem to want to best people. Being first and being smartest doesn't help any of us. All our talk will not change the minds of those who think the whole thing is overblown and foolishness. Those people seriously believe that this is just like the seasonal flu that has killed people yearly. There are many who think that this is an engineered event from another country meant to retaliate against the U.S. There are some who feel that no matter what chances we take, we must restart the economy. There are those who are a bit scared themselves and taunt others calling them paranoid...which means I think having an unbased fear of catching this disease. No one has come out and said in my presence that it mostly is killing old people who are about to die anyhow but I have a strong suspicion that those words have been spoken among some groups. I haven't ever known people to act so negatively. I am saddened and angered by a lot of what I read. We olders are so fortunate that we can stay where we are and be alright. Many of us are just waiting to see how this all plays out.

When 100,000 people die within 3 months and continues to rise, you may try to do something easy to help yourself stay healthy by putting on a mask. Why is this so difficult?

Have you not read the previous posts in this thread? Have you not been listening to the experts from the Coronavirus task force? People are not wearing masks because they are fearful of catching the virus and are trying to protect themselves. Home made masks provide very little protection for the wearer of the mask. People wear masks because they are protecting others, including you. Wearing a mask will help to prevent the spread of this virus. If we don't do our part, this virus will not go away until there is a proven vaccine.

This is the reason why I am so disappointed in our government and the experts. If only they were honest with the American people early on (February) and encouraged the use of masks to prevent the spread of this virus, many lives could have been spared. This virus would be a non issue at this point if we had all come together and mitigated it. Their decision to deceive Americans so we would not purchase masks needed for the front line workers was very wrong, IMHO.

When the CDC and our experts finally informed us all that masks were recommended to prevent the spread of the virus what did Americans do? Americans began making home made masks and posted videos on YouTube on how to make home made masks. It became a war effort of sorts with this invisible enemy. I felt like Americans embodied Rosy the Rivetor from WWII. We went to task and are still going strong for the "war effort" against this virus.

I've posted this video before in other threads but just in case you haven't seen it, this demonstrates how masks block droplets. Those droplets are what carries the virus into the air when an asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic person breathes, speaks, sings, coughs or sneezes.

How a mask blocks droplets - YouTube