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Villagerjjm 06-16-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritabob (Post 1785605)
No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

It can be mandated by any of our governors and it can be enforced with a monetary fine. Ever get caught speeding on your golf cart?

nututv 06-16-2020 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1785539)
Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

Yeah, that's the way it's supposed to work, too bad the getting the truthful word out part is broken. Now everything is politicized. Left wing nut job scientists theorize the left is correct, right wing nut job scientists theorize the right is.:ohdear:

Villagerjjm 06-16-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slapnut (Post 1784984)
Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people

What?? I did talk to doctors and nurses. They ALL recommend that you wear a mask to minimize spreading COVID-19 to people around you if it so happens that you do have it. By the way, Nitrogen is a neutral element. It takes the electrical force equivalent to a lightning bolt to generate the ionized forms that will allow it to react with other elements. Home schooling....SMH !!

nututv 06-16-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1785543)
Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.

I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scottvs1961 (Post 1785037)
Let’s put this in some perspective in a more simple way to understand it. Sorry if this is crude but want to get the point across.

If you and I are both standing naked and I turn toward you and urinate you are going to get wet. If you put on clothes and I urinate you will still get wet but not near as much as when you were naked. If I put on clothes most will be stopped by my clothes but some might still get out and if you’re naked and too close you could still get wet. If we both have clothes on you will not get wet.

Once again, just trying to give a little perspective. It is totally incorrect to say masks do not provide protection. The more of us who wear them the better protection for everyone.

🤔 You & I should both wear clothes & keep them on but so should the protesters since they might pee on each other too

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785630)
I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

Don’t know about the school of hard knocks but you’ve definitely been to the dummy crash test of hard knocks! Glad you made it through to rebel.

JoMar 06-16-2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785630)
I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

Just for balance, I was T-Boned by a one ton truck doing 35 (at least) in a camaro and I rolled three times. Had seat belts on, when the Police showed up with the ambulance he asked the other cap was I alive. I answered, the belts saved my life. 10 years later was t-Boned by an SUV, I was making a left turn and she couldn't see the red light because she was looking directly into the sun. I was saved by the side air bags....car was totaled and I was sore for a couple weeks but if I didn't have the belts I would have been dead and if I didn't have the bags I would have been dead. I believe that we should have a choice but if you don't buckle up and are hurt you pay the bills, not the insurance company. Same with helmets on bikes, you don't need to wear them but I don't want to pay for your injuries.

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 09:16 PM

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

ts12755 06-16-2020 09:23 PM

Society does not want to walk atound with masks. I don't want people waiting on me and restaurants wearing masks. If you're sick or weak stay home. The rest of us will take our chances and live our lives.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-16-2020 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1785647)
Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1785539)
Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

I’ll try to remember to spout an equation at the Pearly Gates.

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1785645)
Just for balance, I was T-Boned by a one ton truck doing 35 (at least) in a camaro and I rolled three times. Had seat belts on, when the Police showed up with the ambulance he asked the other cap was I alive. I answered, the belts saved my life. 10 years later was t-Boned by an SUV, I was making a left turn and she couldn't see the red light because she was looking directly into the sun. I was saved by the side air bags....car was totaled and I was sore for a couple weeks but if I didn't have the belts I would have been dead and if I didn't have the bags I would have been dead. I believe that we should have a choice but if you don't buckle up and are hurt you pay the bills, not the insurance company. Same with helmets on bikes, you don't need to wear them but I don't want to pay for your injuries.

I too lived through a very serious crash. The firefighters pulled me out without a scratch nor even an ache or pain. I had my seat belt on but I also believe my last-second cry for help really made the biggest difference. PBTG

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1785393)
IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.


I’ve always wanted to ask this of someone “in the know:” Why was the science of mask-wearing not readily available before this pandemic ever hit? Why did it appear as though our officials were literally making things up as they went along? Why were we so poorly prepared with stockpiles of PPE and basic medical equipment and supplies when there has been an alphabet soup of other rapidly spreading contagions recently (SARS, MERS Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, not to mention TB and others)
These have spanned several administrations so please don’t don’t the easy route of blamzing it on the other party.

Many people in other countries have been methodically donning masks for a long time prior to 2020, ostensibly because their homelands have recently endured other contagions like SARS & they were told masks would help.

Didn’t the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or South Korean health officials study the effectiveness of the masks their own citizens have been wearing?

Or, does the CDC routinely dismiss foreign science strictly because it isn’t American science? It sure seems as if that must be the case.

If so, then some science isn’t nearly as reliable as other science & therein lies the problem because validity then becomes a matter of judgment and is open to interpretation.

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.

ALadysMom 06-16-2020 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1785656)
I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

I know this isn’t meant to be funny but the my feeble mind could not help but picture your plight in detail. what if the dude had sneezed or coughed while bent over? You might have had to marry him!

Villagerjjm 06-16-2020 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmaf6 (Post 1785041)
Wearing masks everyday in China didn’t help the spread....they’ve been wearing them for years. Every time I wear one for more than just a few minutes I get a sore throat or feel lightheaded. We’re all going to do what makes us comfortable. It’s not your place to judge me or me you. If I’m sick, I stay home...I’d hope you’d do the same. Millions have tested positive and either haven’t gotten sick or have recovered.

Could you please link us up to some facts?
FIRST: The statistic that shows that wearing masks in China did not help the spread (also that they have been wearing them for years).
SECOND: Where have millions tested positive but either have not gotten sick or recovered.
Thanks in advance!
If no facts, will you please remove your post?


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