First of all I think you should be mindful that this is a forum, as such it is for an exchange of ideas and opinions.

I'm as free as you to express them.

No one herein is a self proclaimed expert.

Civility aside your personal attack is unwarranted.

[QUOTE=Cantwaittoarrive;550768]First I didn't criticizen you for anything. My coment was not directed towards you or anything you said. If you feel guilty because what you were truely thinking is what I expressed I guess you should own those feeling. I asked you want makes you qualified to give advice. I think if you expect people to follow or listen to your advice knowing what makes you qualified to give that advice, otherwise your dangerous and so is anyone else that gives advice on diet and health that isn't qualified to give it. I commented on the results of a study I'm in and for some reason you like to try and discredit anyone that isn't on the same path as you, that's so sad that you would be so insecure. I beleive there might be benefits to several different lifestyles including the vegan lifestyle.

But I stand by my statement that advice from unqualified people is dangerous!!



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DEAR cantwaittoarrive......

I've known a lot of folks who loved the all meat, fats, etc. diet of years ago.........and who thrived on it as a matter of fact.
For them, just eliminating all the starches and bread products worked like a charm..........

I always believe whatever people have personally experienced as that is their path in life......and if it's the right one for them........so be it.
However, like you, I know that other things work for other folks.

I also know that oftentimes the extremely health conscious type fanatics do not live any longer than an average happy go lucky person who doesn't dwell on their health 24/7.

Nothing in this world is black or white. There are all shades inbetween.
No one body is identical. People who have supposedly done everything "right" by the book re their health, still die young. No one lives forever.

I've tried to explain to the poster you are answering, that I've known plenty of vegans and vegetarians who died young, of cancer, even after following a rigid diet of healthful fruits and veggies and shunning all fatty foods, meats, etc. So, go figure. I don't have the answers, that's for sure........just know that everyone is different and exposed to many other things that might determine whether one continues to enjoy good health or experience bad health. All of my "vegans", etc. were athletes, so they were NOT couch potatoes. They also had cancer in their heredity background.

It may NOT be all about food but about the environment we all live in.
It may just be genetics..

Whenever our plumber cleans our oil furnace, he always states that he'll probably end up with lung cancer......breathing in the oily fumes, which are pretty bad, I might add........he's young, but smart enough to know that. Many "dis eases" are environmental......so unless we all go and live in isolation, we are bound to get something.

Today I'm wondering about these new smart meters they installed on our homes up here..........some say they can cause or activate/speed along existing cancers......similar to cell phone useage.

Just read that we could have opted out. I wonder if they'd bring back our
analog meter??

WE just had a change in electric companies to one in Canada. After reading the long announcement put out by the Environmental Health doctors re the health dangers of these smart meters..........I can't believe we just let the guy install one a few days ago...........

So, live and let live. Personally, I don't really care what anyone else eats as long as the rest of us are free to choose our own path..........

Some days, we may want to eat totally healthy and other days we might want to splurge. Last time I looked it was not a crime. PEACE.

I really do trust the New England Journal of Medicine
 

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Sorry, it wouldn't link.

I was trying to link a huge study done in China in 2007 about diabetes becoming more prevalent in the Chinese population. It was an article published in The New England Journal of Medicine which most people hold up as the finest in printing valid medical research.

***Yes it irritates the endothelium lining as well as all other oils, if you want to reduce plaque in the arteries ALL oils need to be eliminated.

When irritated plaque adheres to the location and builds/blocks from there over several years.

Image shows the lining inside a blood vessel wall, they are only one cell in thickness and very fragile when exposed to oil.***

You presented the above as if it's fact and didn't express it as "ideas and opinions" tha'st great just present your qualifications to present these fact otherwise clearly state the it's an ideas, opinion.

(By the way in China 46,000 is not huge)

Sure it says that the people eating the western diets are gaining weight and having issues

The prevalence of diabetes increased with increasing age (3.2%, 11.5%, and 20.4% among persons who were 20 to 39, 40 to 59, and ≥60 years of age, respectively) and with increasing weight (4.5%, 7.6%, 12.8%, and 18.5% among persons with a body-mass index [the weight in kilograms divided by the square of the height in meters] of <18.5, 18.5 to 24.9, 25.0 to 29.9, and ≥30.0, respectively). The prevalence of diabetes was higher among urban residents than among rural residents (11.4% vs. 8.2%)

Gracie:
I just read it. I think it's due to all the American fast food restaurants that infiltrated Asia.........just like we all enjoy Chinese takeout, they have really accepted the western diet, for good or ill........

We all know the junk that is in these fast food products, but sometimes when traveling, even we stop at the golden arches to stretch, etc.

Many years ago we had a lightbulb moment when we saw the movie KING CORN.......high fructose corn syrup IS NOW IN EVERYTHING.......where it never used to be..........you can rent it from Netflix or search for it on Direct TV if you have satellite....

Foods prepared from scratch are still the best for everyone's health.
Processed foods are loaded with unnatural "stuff".

Plot Summary for
King Corn (2007)

King Corn is a feature documentary about two friends, one acre of corn, and the subsidized crop that drives our fast-food nation. In King Corn, Ian Cheney and Curt Ellis, best friends from college on the east coast, move to the heartland to learn where their food comes from. With the help of friendly neighbors, genetically modified seeds, and powerful herbicides, they plant and grow a bumper crop of America's most-productive, most-subsidized grain on one acre of Iowa soil. But when they try to follow their pile of corn into the food system, what they find raises troubling questions about how we eat-and how we farm.

It is a fact, (not my opinion out of thin air) supported and documented by Dr's Esseltyn, Campbell and Ornish in many books and the movie Forks over Knives.

Read my post again you missed a few points above I think.

Jimbo's research has led him to draw certain conclusions. Can'tWait's research has led to some very different conclusions. I think one could find a book or movie or study to support almost any conclusion. As a matter of fact, I think I read a study the other day that concluded that people that drink and smoke are jolly good fun.

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A reminder to all....
 

There are many opinions about appropriate diet. Please remember to address the topic and not the poster.

Thank you.

The first story is enough for me so I won't waste time reading all of them. In the first story it was said that the parents didn't follow the doctors' advice. The baby was sick and the parents did nothing.

I think it needs to be kept in mind that the statue's of Florida require any one giving out Diet and or nutrition advice has to have a certain level of education and be licensed and partcipate in continuing education. I beleive a few polsters on this and other threads are coming dangerously close to praticing without a license. I also beleive if anyone chooses to follow their advice and is injured they may have grounds for an action. I'm suprised TOTV doesn't require a clear statement by each participate when they post that they are not an expert and not licensed. Here is the link to the requirements

Licensure Requirements - Florida Dietetics & Nutrition Practice Council - Licensure Requirements

Licensing requirements are for dietitians or nutritionists who want to offer their services in exchange for a fee. I, for one, don't call myself a dietitian or a nutritionist and I don't charge a fee. Discussion boards are exempt because they are considered to be opinion based.

Sorry not true

Thread is straying from original topic. Please keep discussion on topic. Another thread can be opened for new topics.