Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1050892)

Extremely misleading thread title.



I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser. It is referenced with articles and TV shows that support their opinion.



The National Institutes of Health is not Kaiser but is a governmental organization (NIH.gov) and is a far more prestigious organization for making recommendations, although Kaiser does excellent work especially in harvesting data from their patient population. This opinion piece was published in their in-house magazine.



This is absolutely NOT an opinion from the National Institutes of Health.

The lead author is a nephrologist who trained at a Caribbean medical school. His biography does not list any training in nutrition.

https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...reWc_5HNNNQ!!/



While these doctors may be right, they are not the NIH and do not represent the NIH nor even the opinion of Kaiser.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1050892)

Extremely misleading thread title.

I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1048977)

Those of us who eat in moderation understand exactly what it means --- not excessive or extreme!


mod·er·ate (mŏd′ər-ĭt)adj.

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.

Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1050359)

:agree:

There are far to many all or nothings in this world. And moving to a "plant based diet" as defined by the article would benefit and improve the health of a huge majority. But I suppose "huge majority" is an evasive term as well.

And I just love my plant based stuff in liquid form. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1050809)

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1050972)

I have a friend who reminds me of some on this thread. i can recall when he would hotly debate which brand of peanut butter was the most nutritional.

His FAMILY and mine moved our separate ways but stayed in touch over the years. His youngest daughter is our god child.

He visited my home when we lived in Minneapolis area about 10 years ago. Now a vegan my wife worked her magic to meet variety flavor and nutritional goals. His family non-vegan enjoyed prime rib roast and fixins. There is in my view plenty of room for one's preferences.

My only objection is having members of the Church of Green (energy) or Church of Kale (plant) evangelizing. My friend does that too and it drives his family and us all up a wall.


Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1050650)

Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1050664)

There is no such thing as a diet that will prevent "all the other degenerative diseases." This is a snake oil sale.

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 1051002)

That's why I called it a "prevention strategy". Words mean things.

Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1050809)

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1050892)

Extremely misleading thread title.

I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser. It is referenced with articles and TV shows that support their opinion.

The National Institutes of Health is not Kaiser but is a governmental organization (NIH.gov) and is a far more prestigious organization for making recommendations, although Kaiser does excellent work especially in harvesting data from their patient population. This opinion piece was published in their in-house magazine.

This is absolutely NOT an opinion from the National Institutes of Health.
The lead author is a nephrologist who trained at a Caribbean medical school. His biography does not list any training in nutrition.
https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...reWc_5HNNNQ!!/

While these doctors may be right, they are not the NIH and do not represent the NIH nor even the opinion of Kaiser.

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 1051009)

People only know what moderation means for themselves. No one can possibly know what moderation means for someone else. It's something different for each person. Therefore, it's pointless to offer the nutrition advice to "eat everything in moderation".

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 1051009)

People only know what moderation means for themselves. No one can possibly know what moderation means for someone else. It's something different for each person. Therefore, it's pointless to offer the nutrition advice to "eat everything in moderation".