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Byte1 02-16-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1902898)
this is where i have concerns--i read the vax contains animal(mouse) rna-dna

Haven't heard that one yet. However, I did read where the J&J vaccine is made from monkey poop. I think it is funny, but if the was the only vaccine available so that we can get back to normal, I would be in line for it.

I really don't care about those that do not wish to get the vaccination. Use any far fetched, imaginative excuse you wish, but at least be honest. If folks are young and they do not wish to get the vaccination, I figure that they are considering the odds that if they do become infected, they will survive. When seniors refuse a FREE vaccination for something so deadly, I figure that they have had a good life and consider themselves ready to pass on. They better be ready, because if they catch it I have no doubt that they will want their friends and family praying for them. Personally, I am prepared for the afterlife, but I am not yet ready to just give up on life quite yet. Some folks in my family still need me.

Byte1 02-16-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1902074)
Here we go! Suppose to get 2nd shot Thur. got canceled until yesterday (Sat) canceled until Feb. 27th, we’re going on vacation on Feb. 20th until Mar. 20th. Got first shot on Jan. 21st it will be 9 or 10 weeks before I can get 2nd shot. So they’re telling me I have to start over & get another first shot again, so I thought BS. Not getting a bunch of serum pumped into me. Until someone tells us it’s safe.

Ok, it's safe. Now you can get the shot?

stan the man 02-16-2021 12:29 PM

I really thought ex-school teachers would understand what was meant. 😀

graciegirl 02-16-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1902964)
Oh please, I really want to see the link where you got that gem. If you really want to understand how the vaccine was created you can start by reading THIS WEBPAGE. And you can follow the links on that page to learn more.

It is posts like the one above that are spreading so much doubt and misinformation. Pile dozens of tiny lies and errors all throwing dirt at the vaccine and you end up with people saying "I've read so many bad things" You're reading garbage, or misunderstanding what you are reading. Please don't post unless you have "verified" the attack on the vaccine and provide links. A misinformed public is far worse than an uninformed public.

Please listen to this man. He is a successful doctor, a pediatrician with stellar background and education.

I so agree about these enormous leaps into areas that have no basis whatsoever. Worrying about mouse DNA in Vaccine is really a stretch and by far not the worst conspiracy theory I have read.

I am NOT a person with credentials in medicine, but any of us can be educated if we stick to valid and reliable sources and avoid the talkers on Youtube.

coffeebean 02-16-2021 12:51 PM

Regarding the misinformation that there is mouse RNA in the mRNA vaccines, I found this not easy to understand information about molecular and cellular biology. Not being a biologist, alot of this means nothing to me but from what I gather from this is that mice were used as test subjects for the development of the mRNA vaccines. NOT that mice RNA is actually in these mRNA vaccines.

If anyone can actually determine that mice RNA is in these vaccines from this, feel free to explain where this article says that.......

Simultaneous Gene Editing by Injection of mRNAs Encoding Transcription Activator-Like Effector Nucleases into Mouse Zygotes

Byte1 02-16-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1901957)
I'm not old enough to get it yet which is okay in my opinion because I can see how the effects play our for others while I'm waiting. I am undecided whether to get it or not. My sister in law who is my age received it at her work and she now has problems with short term memory.

Is she blonde? :)

Sophie11 02-16-2021 01:56 PM

Millions died in 1918 from a pandemic and in 1919 it was gone? No vaccines, medications, hand sanitizer back then. I am sure they wore masks but how did it just vanish?

bobdeb 02-16-2021 02:46 PM

So, why am I not getting the vaccine?

Well, I registered everywhere over a month ago, as I'm sure most of you have done as well.

Now it's too close to my necessary surgery so I'm told by my surgeon not to receive the vaccine, even if GMR miraculously pulls my name out of their vast queue.

Up to now, none of my health care providers seemed to care if I received the vaccine or not.

"Don't call us. We'll call you... someday..."

Manatee 02-16-2021 03:08 PM

Gracie hit it!

Common sense.

Read Reputable info
Don’t repeat unfounded rumors and lies.


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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1903007)
Please listen to this man. He is a successful doctor, a pediatrician with stellar background and education.

I so agree about these enormous leaps into areas that have no basis whatsoever. Worrying about mouse DNA in Vaccine is really a stretch and by far not the worst conspiracy theory I have read.

I am NOT a person with credentials in medicine, but any of us can be educated if we stick to valid and reliable sources and avoid the talkers on Youtube.


Manatee 02-16-2021 03:12 PM

Respectfully,
The answer is easily found -google a reliable, scientific based resource. It was around for 2 years - killing for 2 years. It did not just “vanish”


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Originally Posted by Sophie11 (Post 1903040)
Millions died in 1918 from a pandemic and in 1919 it was gone? No vaccines, medications, hand sanitizer back then. I am sure they wore masks but how did it just vanish?


Swoop 02-16-2021 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Manatee (Post 1903078)
Respectfully,
The answer is easily found -google a reliable, scientific based resource. It was around for 2 years - killing for 2 years. It did not just “vanish”

Actually it was around for more than one year and less than two - if you want to split hairs. And I believe the point of their post, was that it ran its course, without vaccines - in less than two years...

Sophie11 02-16-2021 04:24 PM

Thank You - Yes this is what I was asking. It has been a year for this one and I wonder if they just go away on their own?

It was such a blessing to the world when the other one died. What did the people do to make it go if anything?

Does anyone know?

coffeebean 02-16-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1903069)
So, why am I not getting the vaccine?

Well, I registered everywhere over a month ago, as I'm sure most of you have done as well.

Now it's too close to my necessary surgery so I'm told by my surgeon not to receive the vaccine, even if GMR miraculously pulls my name out of their vast queue.

Up to now, none of my health care providers seemed to care if I received the vaccine or not.

"Don't call us. We'll call you... someday..."

Did your surgeon give you a reason for you not to be vaccinated before your surgery?

bobdeb 02-16-2021 04:39 PM

I have my first pre OP tomorrow. I'll try to get some details at that time.

coffeebean 02-16-2021 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1903120)
I have my first pre OP tomorrow. I'll try to get some details at that time.

OK. Hope your surgery goes well.

CFrance 02-16-2021 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1901827)
The FDA is a pathetically bureaucratic and slow agency. They took an extra 10 days to approve Pfizer's vaccine out of pure bureaucracy at a time when we desperately needed to start vaccinations.

They have not approved AstraZenaca's vaccine even though the U.K. and all of continental Europe have. AZ made an error in their testing procedure that returned BETTER than expected results. AZ submitted all the data but the FDA wants them to rerun the whole testing process which takes months. The FDA is not our friend.

Is that a No, you're not getting the vaccine?

JimJohnson 02-17-2021 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1901875)
Where do you get these numbers???

The survival rate for the 65-74 group is about 94% and for the 75-84 group it drops to 85%. The survival rate for the flu is something like 99.998%.

Avoid the shot for whatever reason you have but stop spreading bad information that could get someone else killed.

Thank you. I find it mind boggling when people say they are not getting the vaccine.

Bay Kid 02-17-2021 08:35 AM

The man said we will all be vaccinated this year.

DonnaNi4os 02-17-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wachteldepew (Post 1901834)
We will not be getting the vaccine. How could they come up with a “cure” for a virus they know very little about in less than a year? The flu and cancer have been around forever and they can’t cure them, but miraculously they have an answer to covid. Not buying it.

No one ever touted the vaccine as a “cure” but rather a way to slow the spread. You can still get the virus but you are much more likely NOT going to end up with the severe form that could end with you on a respirator or worse. But the choice is yours. No one is mandating that you get it. As for spreading the virus after being fully vaccinated, the jury is still out. As of now the possibility remains which is why we will be wearing masks for a long time. As Dr Fauci has said, being vaccinated is NOT a get out of jail free. Good luck to you.

Sophie11 02-17-2021 01:35 PM

Why? Many do not take vaccines.

bobdeb 02-17-2021 02:45 PM

I have posted in this regard earlier.

My surgeon does not want me to receive the vaccine within a week of surgery due to possible side effects. This is not elective surgery.

I've got a short period of time before I reach that date, which invites this question.

If I miraculously receive a code from GMR et al., how long can you delay responding and setting up a date?

And I hate that this may influence this already excruciating process for others...

I'm open to suggestions. Waiting to hear that I should boot GMR and get the BoGo at Publix following surgery. Anything else? And thanks in advance.

stevekennedy3 02-18-2021 05:00 PM

We are not getting the mNRA vaccines.
 
I did a lot of research on the safety of these vaccines, mostly from European sources (as I have lived in Europe twice in my life and worked with the Bundesgesundheitsamt, the FDA of Germany. I still have lots of contacts there). I personally do not believe they are safe. Here is the most qualified doctor in the USA on vaccines:

Dr Sherri Tenpenny - You Will Start Seeing The Effects Of The Covid19 Vaccines In 3-6 Months

Moreover, there is a quick and easy way to avoid the virus that the pharmaceutical industry does not want you to know about. This knowledge has been around 2,000 years. My wife and I have been taking one TBS/day nano particle silver colloid at a concentration of 10 ppm for 7 years and have never even had a cold, let alone the flu or whatever. Do NOT believe what you read in a Google search about silver colloid unless you are very discerning as the pharmaceutical industry has written and posted many bad articles to scare you away from it and to their drugs. (Study your history. Rockefeller started what became our pharmaceutical industry and had the FDA call all natural products labelled "Quackery," so he could make money from manmade drugs). PROOF that silver colloid kills the Covid 19 virus was provided in a report last September 2020 by our own National Institutes of Health in a very thorough test of various particle sizes and various concentrations and found that silver colloid kills the virus down to 1 part per million! Here is the link to that report:

Potent antiviral effect of silver nanoparticles on SARS-CoV-2

So, since our own government did the testing, why do they not want us to know? I have my own theories about this which have been formed after a lot of study about this virus. The unleashing of this virus, in my opinion, was no accident. The CCP did this intentionally. I suggest you do your own research and form your own opinions as there are many conclusions and motives you can form from a thorough research.

Lastly, we are giving serious thought to taking the J & J vaccine as I am afraid this administration will force us to all have vaccination cards to prove we got the vaccines in order to get on an airplane, and Heaven only knows what else. Because it is not made using the mNRA technology, it seems safe, at least at this point. I have more research to do, and am certain more information will be forthcoming before it is approved by the FDA.

coffeebean 02-18-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevekennedy3 (Post 1904399)
I did a lot of research on the safety of these vaccines, mostly from European sources (as I have lived in Europe twice in my life and worked with the Bundesgesundheitsamt, the FDA of Germany. I still have lots of contacts there). I personally do not believe they are safe. Here is the most qualified doctor in the USA on vaccines:

Dr Sherri Tenpenny - You Will Start Seeing The Effects Of The Covid19 Vaccines In 3-6 Months

Moreover, there is a quick and easy way to avoid the virus that the pharmaceutical industry does not want you to know about. This knowledge has been around 2,000 years. My wife and I have been taking one TBS/day nano particle silver colloid at a concentration of 10 ppm for 7 years and have never even had a cold, let alone the flu or whatever. Do NOT believe what you read in a Google search about silver colloid unless you are very discerning as the pharmaceutical industry has written and posted many bad articles to scare you away from it and to their drugs. (Study your history. Rockefeller started what became our pharmaceutical industry and had the FDA call all natural products labelled "Quackery," so he could make money from manmade drugs). PROOF that silver colloid kills the Covid 19 virus was provided in a report last September 2020 by our own National Institutes of Health in a very thorough test of various particle sizes and various concentrations and found that silver colloid kills the virus down to 1 part per million! Here is the link to that report:

Potent antiviral effect of silver nanoparticles on SARS-CoV-2

So, since our own government did the testing, why do they not want us to know? I have my own theories about this which have been formed after a lot of study about this virus. The unleashing of this virus, in my opinion, was no accident. The CCP did this intentionally. I suggest you do your own research and form your own opinions as there are many conclusions and motives you can form from a thorough research.

Lastly, we are giving serious thought to taking the J & J vaccine as I am afraid this administration will force us to all have vaccination cards to prove we got the vaccines in order to get on an airplane, and Heaven only knows what else. Because it is not made using the mNRA technology, it seems safe, at least at this point. I have more research to do, and am certain more information will be forthcoming before it is approved by the FDA.

I began listening to Dr. Sheri Tenpenny. As soon as she called vaccines "poisons"......she lost me. I turned off the video and will not listen to anything she has to say. Sorry.

Art cov 02-18-2021 09:34 PM

I was recently out for dinner, a lady couldn’t help herself as she dominated the area with her loud voice talking about the vaccine. Please people enough already! If you get the shot or not, that’s your business! Let others do the opposite that you do. Be tolerate of others, especially in public places. Can’t even enjoy a dinner. I have heard some say we need to tolerate every kind of thing and yet those somehow are the most intolerable people around. Why are some so mean, hateful and nasty when someone disagrees with them? What has happened to being sweet, kind, grateful? Friendliest community? Many are but too many are grouches. I honestly feel so sorry for those that seem so miserable. Read the post. Anymore I just overlook half of them.

JP 02-19-2021 10:13 AM

I'm not so wild about having a foreign mRNA(made from rabbit blood) injected into my body to produce a foreign protein that will cause my body to produce an antigen.

coffeebean 02-19-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 1904737)
I'm not so wild about having a foreign mRNA(made from rabbit blood) injected into my body to produce a foreign protein that will cause my body to produce an antigen.

Made from rabbit blood? Really? I don't think that is what this abstract says.....

In vitro synthesis of DNA complementary to purified rabbit globin mRNA (RNA-dependent DNA polymerase-reticulocyte-hemoglobin-density gradient centrifugation-oligo(dT) primer) - PubMed

JP 02-20-2021 09:51 AM

Globin is derived from hemoglobin which is located in red blood cells

Byte1 02-20-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 1905259)
Globin is derived from hemoglobin which is located in red blood cells

Hope you can LIVE with your decision. You could seek other venues for your information, other than the comic section of the paper. Just saying.

I did see a video and hear a statement saying the J&J vaccine was made from monkey poop. :1rotfl: But nothing related to rabbit blood. I would be interested in hearing more on the subject IF you could provide a reference link. Thank you.

Sabella 02-25-2021 05:06 AM

Vaccine safety
 
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Originally Posted by Heartnsoul (Post 1901510)
Who is Not getting vaccine and why did u make that decision?

If the vaccines are so safe then why are the pharmaceutical companies exempt from lawsuits for the rare cases that it will do serious harm or kill you?

coffeebean 02-25-2021 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1907534)
If the vaccines are so safe then why are the pharmaceutical companies exempt from lawsuits for the rare cases that it will do serious harm or kill you?

Life is not 100% safe. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Tmarkwald 02-25-2021 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Karadad (Post 1901725)
These are experimental vaccines, not fully vetted!

I think 12 million people tested is good enough...

Mass 'real world' study confirms Pfizer vaccine's efficacy

Bill14564 02-25-2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1907534)
If the vaccines are so safe then why are the pharmaceutical companies exempt from lawsuits for the rare cases that it will do serious harm or kill you?

Just my guess....

If the manufacturers were not protected from lawsuits then they would protect themselves with a longer testing period. Our Govt decided the benefit of saving lives outweighed the slight risk that might still exist.

We are still losing about 3,000 people each day - we need a faster rollout not an exhaustive testing phase.

billethkid 02-25-2021 09:17 AM

Many are concerned about the short time these vaccines are being approved for public use.

What the media and other special interest groups are leaving out is the minimizing or removal of the non value added bureaucratic reviews, red tape, retesting and multiple layers of approvals.


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