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In the Civil war, we lost 618000 In WW1 we lost 116,516 In WW2 we lost 405,399 1918 Spanish Flu 675,000 Americans 1968 pandemic 100,000 Americans Not to mention polio, smallpox, etc. It serves no purpose to accuse others of being careless, when everyone has their own view on what degree of prevention they believe is "enough." Masks: paper, fabric, filtered, etc Gloves Hats Eye protection: glasses, safety glasses, goggles, shields Attire; Long sleeved shirts, rain coat, bio hazard suit Decontamination: sanitary or disinfectant wipes, washing hands, full shower, immediate clothing laundry, UV exposure. Personal distancing: six feet, avoid enclosed rooms, avoiding restaurants, avoiding village squares, tennis courts, pickleball courts, golf, biking, walking solo. Just a suggestion, if you see someone that you believe is not using precautions up to your standards, avoid them. Seeing them is NOT going to infect you with the virus. AND not everyone has the virus, even though it is our practice to assume they do. |
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Most, if not all, doctor's offices have mandated masks to be necessary. If you don't need medical attention, I guess you are good. Right? |
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Perhaps you would have preferred me to mention the Spanish Flu of 1918 where it killed 675,000? What is the percentage of deaths by covid 19 to the population of the U.S. 325+ million? Any death is unfortunate, but panic and accusations settles nothing. I was not making little of this pandemic. Only suggesting that everyone has their own idea of how serious it is to them and how they plan to prepare for it or act during it. |
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It's not unproven that wearing a mask protects others. I don't care if it is voluntary or not. It's about precaution and caring for humanity. If you want to risk the lives of others because you feel you have the right, I have little regard for you. I'll still wear my mask around you though, so you don't catch something and pass it on to a myriad of other people. |
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Here's why: Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. :icon_wink: Bertrand Russell Fred |
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[QUOTE=CFrance;1774475]The selfish people back then were the ones that wouldn't get a flu shot.”
Do you have data and/or a website that backs that claim up or is it merely an opinion? I’ll wait... |
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As for your "mask wearing is just for cosmetics" statement......why are you denying the proven science behind masks blocking droplets? You don't seem to be informed about how masks can slow the spread of this virus. |
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Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. Haven't you heard about this yet? |
This whole discussion is like a scene from the movie Idiocracy. You just can't have a meaningful discussion with someone who is intellectually incapable of comprehending the facts.
This isn't rocket science (for most people unless you believe the movie's plot has already occurred). The ONLY way this goes away is if R0 is less than 1. The smaller we make R0 the sooner this happens. It is indisputable that social distancing and wearing masks materially impacts R0. It doesn't reduce R0 to zero; it simply reduces it, but materially so. You can offer the argument that social distancing or wearing a mask is "your decision" but what you're really saying is that either you don't have a clue how this works or you simply don't give a rat's tail about your fellow human beings. Pick one and let us know which camp you fall in... I know when I see you I'll make my own assessment. You'll look at me and smugly say there goes a "flaming lib" but in fact, I'm just an educated flaming conservative. So, don't social distance and don't wear a mask. Do your absolute best to pump up R0 as high as you can. More people might get sick and as a result more people might die. Let us know how if feels to look a good friend or family member in the eye and say sorry that you got COVID from me but it was my "right" to not wear that mask. |
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From what I have read, woven material is NOT a filter. And do you think that those specialized masks with holes for straws and eating, are doing any good? But, we can all pretend.....right? |
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