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Byte1 05-31-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baramu (Post 1774369)
What a misinformed person you are. Over 100,000 people are dead from this virus with the elderly being especially vulnerable. No, the CDC isn’t trying to scare you or lie to you. Sad train of thought.

Considering the U.S. population is over 325 MILLION, that is a low percentage. I am not making light of any death, just saying.
In the Civil war, we lost 618000
In WW1 we lost 116,516
In WW2 we lost 405,399

1918 Spanish Flu 675,000 Americans
1968 pandemic 100,000 Americans

Not to mention polio, smallpox, etc.

It serves no purpose to accuse others of being careless, when everyone has their own view on what degree of prevention they believe is "enough."
Masks: paper, fabric, filtered, etc
Gloves
Hats
Eye protection: glasses, safety glasses, goggles, shields
Attire; Long sleeved shirts, rain coat, bio hazard suit
Decontamination: sanitary or disinfectant wipes, washing hands, full shower, immediate clothing laundry, UV exposure.
Personal distancing: six feet, avoid enclosed rooms, avoiding restaurants, avoiding village squares, tennis courts, pickleball courts, golf, biking, walking solo.

Just a suggestion, if you see someone that you believe is not using precautions up to your standards, avoid them. Seeing them is NOT going to infect you with the virus. AND not everyone has the virus, even though it is our practice to assume they do.

coffeebean 05-31-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GPGuar (Post 1774214)
It’s not unreasonable, but don’t force me to wear a mask if I don’t want to. That’s my choice!

Planning on going to a theme park anytime soon? You will not be admitted or allowed to stay if you do not wear a mask.

Most, if not all, doctor's offices have mandated masks to be necessary. If you don't need medical attention, I guess you are good. Right?

Byte1 05-31-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1774432)
61,000. Hymmmm let me think, CV has killed over 100,000 in a few months. It is just beginning. No comparison!

Real cute. How many years have we had the flu? That was just an example of one year, OK? It was a comparison, whether you agree or not. Was it exactly the same? No, but it was an example and a comparison of sort. But, don't let me stop you from being hysterical.
Perhaps you would have preferred me to mention the Spanish Flu of 1918 where it killed 675,000? What is the percentage of deaths by covid 19 to the population of the U.S. 325+ million? Any death is unfortunate, but panic and accusations settles nothing.

I was not making little of this pandemic. Only suggesting that everyone has their own idea of how serious it is to them and how they plan to prepare for it or act during it.

CFrance 05-31-2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1774334)
And I am sure that you wore a mask during the winter of 2017-2018 when the flu killed something like 61,000? Or, were you "selfish" and have now "evolved" in your view?
Thank you for considering me and wearing your mask.

To those that wish to ostracize those that do not feel the need to wear unproven protection in the form of a sock or hanky mask, sorry if I do not know you and am not considering your precarious health care status. Perhaps your care taker should run errands for you so that you are not exposed to the "invisible menace. "

By the way, I believe that there have only been 7 covid 19 related deaths in the Villages portion of Sumter Co. And Sumter Co. is the largest portion of the Villages. I am not trying to minimize the threat, but I do believe that folks should restrict their demands for limitations to others' personal liberties, to their own lives. Do not make presumptions that you are right and others are wrong.

I'll worry about civil obedience once Martial Law is declared. Otherwise, all precautions are voluntary, not mandated. Like I said before, I wear my mask and gloves out of my own preference, not someone else's demand.

The selfish people back then were the ones that wouldn't get a flu shot. There is no shot for this, so every simple precaution helps.



It's not unproven that wearing a mask protects others. I don't care if it is voluntary or not. It's about precaution and caring for humanity. If you want to risk the lives of others because you feel you have the right, I have little regard for you. I'll still wear my mask around you though, so you don't catch something and pass it on to a myriad of other people.

Byte1 05-31-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1774473)
Planning on going to a theme park anytime soon? You will not be admitted or allowed to stay if you do not wear a mask.

Most, if not all, doctor's offices have mandated masks to be necessary. If you don't need medical attention, I guess you are good. Right?

Doctors are having their appointments by video chat now. Guess we don't need a mask for that.......:1rotfl:

ffresh 05-31-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1774274)
If you wear a mask and someone else does not, what difference does it make? You’ve protected yourself. Live and let live.

Kathy,
Here's why:

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. :icon_wink:
Bertrand Russell

Fred

Byte1 05-31-2020 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1774475)
The selfish people back then were the ones that wouldn't get a flu shot. There is no shot for this, so every simple precaution helps.
It's not unproven that wearing a mask protects others. I don't care if it is voluntary or not. It's about precaution and caring for humanity. If you want to risk the lives of others because you feel you have the right, I have little regard for you. I'll still wear my mask around you though, so you don't catch something and pass it on to a myriad of other people.

Thank you for wearing your mask around me, if you feel you are a threat to my health. I appreciate that. I would do the same for you, if I felt I was a hazard. Like I said in an earlier post, I wear mask and gloves when I shop, solely to protect my spouse. I didn't think about it when it first started because I haven't had a flu shot since 1970 and never had the flu. I haven't even had a cold for at least ten years and then it only lasted two days. Don't get me wrong, I do empathize with those that are scared and worried about everyone being contagious. Those that are infected or carrying do not carry a sign to let us know. But, like I have said over and over again, everyone has a different idea of what is a proper precaution. If I did not have to worry about my spouse, I wouldn't bother unless I wanted to go somewhere where a mask was required. But, that's just me. If that makes me inconsiderate, that is someone else's problem.

CarolSells 05-31-2020 01:42 PM

[QUOTE=CFrance;1774475]The selfish people back then were the ones that wouldn't get a flu shot.”

Do you have data and/or a website that backs that claim up or is it merely an opinion? I’ll wait...

ffresh 05-31-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1774352)
Ah me. ☹️ I was going to back out of this but..

You can’t have it both ways. If my mask protects you...how is your choice to wear one now keeping you off of a ventilator later?

People were whining that they couldn’t/wouldn’t go to any rec center activities anytime in the near future if TV relaxed the mask suggestion. Doesn’t it make more sense that you could go play canasta, etc. if you protected yourself with a face shield? You keep your spittle, vapor and whatnot and don’t have to be isolated for fear of being exposed to mine. It also shields your eyes.

That was my original thought. ������

Carol, please try to refrain from injecting common sense and logic into your responses going forward. It's very tiring to those of us who wish to blather on with emotional rants based on mere sentiments :icon_wink:

Fred

coffeebean 05-31-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1774255)
So, you wear sunglasses to protect your neighbor? Selfish? How about those obnoxious persons that wish to get into everyone else's business and demand that they conform to "THEIR" standards or wishes? To those folks, I say "get over yourselves."
I only wear a mask and gloves when I am planning on shopping to protect my spouse. Yes, I wear gloves when I shop. DO YOU? Are you going to suggest that those that do not wear gloves are not being "courteous" to their neighbors? Maybe you do not feel that gloves are necessary? Maybe some do not believe that masks are necessary.
My compromise is this; you wear your mask to protect me from your illnesses if you wish. I will wear my mask a bit longer, but pretty soon I plan to give it up as a moot endeavor. And yes, I will use Walmart so if you folks do not wish to see me without a mask, then plan to go elsewhere. I have always used the santi wipe provided at the door to clean the cart and my hands, but that is my wish and not a mandated one to please you.
I do not judge you if you wish to wear a bio hazard suit in public, so quit judging others for their position on this plague that has been added to the long list of others that the world has survived. Some will live and some will perish. That's life. Protect yourself and do not insist that I am obligated to coddle you the way you wish to be coddled.
This is my opinion, which is just as valid as anyone else's on here. I do not believe in seat belt laws, even though I wear my seatbelt. I do not believe in helmet laws, even though I wear a helmet on my motorcycle even in those states that do not mandate it's use. Use you own common sense and do not insist on protecting others when they do not wish your intervention.
By the way, stores can display signs asking folks to wear a mask but they cannot force one to wear a mask. At least that is what one store employee said to me.
Argue all you wish but wearing a mask is just for cosmetics, so if you wish to avoid the virus, your best bet is just lock yourself up in your home and never go out until given the all clear announcement. Good luck on that.

Stores can display signs that masks are required to enter the store and they can keep you out. Sprint keeps their door locked and will not let you in unless you are wearing a mask. That is just one example.

As for your "mask wearing is just for cosmetics" statement......why are you denying the proven science behind masks blocking droplets? You don't seem to be informed about how masks can slow the spread of this virus.

coffeebean 05-31-2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1774274)
If you wear a mask and someone else does not, what difference does it make? You’ve protected yourself. Live and let live.

Oh.......my..........goodness!! I don't know how many times it has been said by the experts, the CDC, many articles on the subject and on this very forum: The wearer of the mask is NOT protecting his or her self. The wearer of the mask is protecting people around them by blocking virus filled droplets if they are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic for this virus.

Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. Haven't you heard about this yet?

GoPacers 05-31-2020 01:54 PM

This whole discussion is like a scene from the movie Idiocracy. You just can't have a meaningful discussion with someone who is intellectually incapable of comprehending the facts.

This isn't rocket science (for most people unless you believe the movie's plot has already occurred). The ONLY way this goes away is if R0 is less than 1. The smaller we make R0 the sooner this happens. It is indisputable that social distancing and wearing masks materially impacts R0. It doesn't reduce R0 to zero; it simply reduces it, but materially so.

You can offer the argument that social distancing or wearing a mask is "your decision" but what you're really saying is that either you don't have a clue how this works or you simply don't give a rat's tail about your fellow human beings. Pick one and let us know which camp you fall in... I know when I see you I'll make my own assessment. You'll look at me and smugly say there goes a "flaming lib" but in fact, I'm just an educated flaming conservative.

So, don't social distance and don't wear a mask. Do your absolute best to pump up R0 as high as you can. More people might get sick and as a result more people might die. Let us know how if feels to look a good friend or family member in the eye and say sorry that you got COVID from me but it was my "right" to not wear that mask.

coffeebean 05-31-2020 02:00 PM

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CarolSells 05-31-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1774482)
Carol, please try to refrain from injecting common sense and logic into your responses going forward. It's very tiring to those of us who wish to blather on with emotional rants based on mere sentiments :icon_wink:

Fred

I’m sorry, Fred. I will strive to do better in the future. 👹. Blather is a very apt verb!

Byte1 05-31-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1774483)
Stores can display signs that masks are required to enter the store and they can keep you out. Sprint keeps their door locked and will not let you in unless you are wearing a mask. That is just one example.

As for your "mask wearing is just for cosmetics" statement......why are you denying the proven science behind masks blocking droplets? You don't seem to be informed about how masks can slow the spread of this virus.

If you say so. I've heard "experts" say that the masks that are home made merely prevent large droplets from escaping. As a matter of fact, if the material is not of the Non-woven substance, then it really isn't much of a filter. If you wish to be more protected, then get yourself a military gas mask. I have one, and it's much better at protecting you than a sock or hanky mask. Besides, you speak of droplets. I don't ever get close enough to worry about "droplets" coming from them. I like my personal space. Like I said, the masks I have seen out and about at the stores are merely security blankets/blankies. But, if it makes one feel more secure then just make believe that I have one on when you see me. Then, when you do not get sick you can make believe you prevented a major illness coming your way.

From what I have read, woven material is NOT a filter. And do you think that those specialized masks with holes for straws and eating, are doing any good? But, we can all pretend.....right?


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